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Like your Buckeye basketball team smile.gif
Don't take away hope, at this point its all we have since reason/logic never worked.


Speaking about the hockey (a stretch from basketball, I know smile.gif ) , don't you just feel for those who got rid of their VT60s because of the brightness pops seen in NHL hockey games? None at the Olympics. Those owners just wouldn't listen to reason. biggrin.gif

Larry
post #12692 of 13978
That plus the dull picture with the dirty whites. With proper calibration I have nice whites (sounds like a laundry detergent commercial) and great color, at a lower cost than the 8500 and better black levels. As Vinnie has said many times, it will be interesting to see what Chad, DNice, Buzz, SS and others learn regarding how to get even more out of some very good displays made by Panny this year.

P.S. I do miss all the ABL ranting earlier this year though smile.gif
post #12693 of 13978
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We all lost, he cancelled the ZT, said the 8500 was crap too and I guess will live with his 5020 if he still has it. Pioneer should keep him happy until he sees the rising reds, oh the irony. I would have a hard time watching a 50" display for serious viewing after moving up in size. The snow has ended, 70's forecasted for next week, and our nursing student is no longer on our forum. From Caddyshack, "It's a miracle!"
He made a big update post in the zt owners thread, looks like he's coming back to us again. rolleyes.gif
Edited by Famouss - 2/13/14 at 4:11pm
post #12694 of 13978
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Like your Buckeye basketball team smile.gif
Don't take away hope, at this point its all we have since reason/logic never worked.

Down year for the Buckeyes but thanks for the props smile.gif
post #12695 of 13978
All about the tourney - keep the faith.
post #12696 of 13978
I can tell you guys that Chad B success and a key to getting very high FtL's is his Jeti 1211, now that the big three software makers (CP, CM and LS) can successfully sync the Jeti 1211 to are VT60's. Although I recommend a FtL around the mid to lower 30's.

I am finding out that when you sync the Jeti 1211 to are VT60's, leaving are VT60's at there default of 1080P@60Hz will give the most repeatable readings for calibration.
However as great a reference spectro meter as is the 1211, to maximize your MLL reading you need to profile the K10-A to the 1211.

Of-course most don't have this high end reference combo, so for those that have a I1Pro and a D3 meter, following the above will get you pretty nice results.

ss
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Larry
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Larry

Chad has a 1211, D3, and a C6. I believe he has recently been using his D3 profiled from the 1211.
post #12699 of 13978
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

Chad has a 1211, D3, and a C6. I believe he has recently been using his D3 profiled from the 1211.

Correct.
post #12700 of 13978
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Chad has a 1211, D3, and a C6. I believe he has recently been using his D3 profiled from the 1211.

Correct.

That's one of the reasons he and I got together with Cleveland Plasma a couple months ago --- to measure the outrageous MLL of an LG OLED with my Klein K10-A. smile.gif
post #12701 of 13978
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That's one of the reasons he and I got together with Cleveland Plasma a couple months ago --- to measure the outrageous MLL of an LG OLED with my Klein K10-A. smile.gif

I can only imagine what those blacks looked like. How did you like the overall image of OLED compared to plasma?
post #12702 of 13978
Chad B spent a significant amount of time calibrating a day mode in panel high the other day when he was here. There a lot of tweaking need when doing it this way.
The BT1886 went much faster.
BTW, did I mention how awesome Chad B is?
Yea, I thought so.....
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

That's one of the reasons he and I got together with Cleveland Plasma a couple months ago --- to measure the outrageous MLL of an LG OLED with my Klein K10-A. smile.gif


That's all interesting but what does it have to do with getting very high output using the Jeti -- especially when it is used only for profiling an i1D3? Is the accuracy of an i1D3 profiled to a Jeti orders of magnitude better than that when profiled to an i1Pro spectro? Of course it is not.

Larry
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

That's one of the reasons he and I got together with Cleveland Plasma a couple months ago --- to measure the outrageous MLL of an LG OLED with my Klein K10-A. smile.gif

I can only imagine what those blacks looked like. How did you like the overall image of OLED compared to plasma?

I did not have the opportunity to view my standard content that I use for reference. I guess I'd put OLED in the winners circle as long as off axis viewing is not required. The contrast created by the OLED black level is spectacular. In a totally dark room, side by side, the OLED black would be stunning compared to the VT60. For normal viewing in a variety of lighting and viewing angles my guess is that with the exception of very bright environments it would be a tossup, like comparing a VT60 with an F8500 with the lights on. For the time being, those of us with VT60's are in good shape.

I've said this before: I have both a VT60 and a VT50. Both will be placed in rooms that require widely varying viewing angles. In many Green Bay Packer parties to come I'll probably be the only one viewing critically, but it's my house and I'm the one who needs viewing satisfaction. The Panasonic plasmas meet my personal requirements.
post #12705 of 13978
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That's all interesting but what does it have to do with getting very high output using the Jeti -- especially when it is used only for profiling an i1D3? Is the accuracy of an i1D3 profiled to a Jeti orders of magnitude better than that when profiled to an i1Pro spectro? Of course it is not.

Larry

The ISF and THX approved i1Pro is fine with most displays. I'd prefer a 5nm spectro though. Wouldn't you?
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The ISF and THX approved i1Pro is fine with most displays. I'd prefer a 5nm spectro though. Wouldn't you?

The i1 Pro has a 3.3 nm mode. What's your point?

Larry
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The ISF and THX approved i1Pro is fine with most displays. I'd prefer a 5nm spectro though. Wouldn't you?

The i1 Pro has a 3.3 nm mode. What's your point?

Larry

My point is that I'd prefer as accurate a spectro as possible. Tell me about the 3.3 mode.
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My point is that I'd prefer as accurate a spectro as possible. Tell me about the 3.3 mode.


What do you want to know. The Pro has a 3.3 nm sampling mode. It is available within the HCFR program among others. Zoyd used it when he compared the Pro to the Jeti 1211 here.


Oh yeah. Take a good look at his data.

Read this also.


Larry
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Anyone know of any calibrators that come to CT?

Also could use a good recommendation on a blu ray player that is reasonably priced?
post #12710 of 13978
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

My point is that I'd prefer as accurate a spectro as possible. Tell me about the 3.3 mode.


What do you want to know. The Pro has a 3.3 nm sampling mode. It is available within the HCFR program among others. Zoyd used it when he compared the Pro to the Jeti 1211 here.


Oh yeah. Take a good look at his data.


Larry

Among others? Where? I don't see it in LightSpace, ChromaPure, or CalMAN.
post #12711 of 13978
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Among others? Where? I don't see it in LightSpace, ChromaPure, or CalMAN.

You responded too fast. smile.gif Read my previous post again.

Larry
post #12712 of 13978
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Among others? Where? I don't see it in LightSpace, ChromaPure, or CalMAN.

You responded too fast. smile.gif Read my previous post again.

Larry

HCFR? So? Why doesn't any other program utilize 3nm accuracy? There must be a reason.
post #12713 of 13978
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Anyone know of any calibrators that come to CT?

Also could use a good recommendation on a blu ray player that is reasonably priced?

Look a few pages back for the contact info of 4 of the best who are likely to be in your area at least once over the next year or so. Sony, Panasonic, Samsung are all equal for blu-ray watching. Check out that forum and decide for yourself.
post #12714 of 13978
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Anyone know of any calibrators that come to CT?

Also could use a good recommendation on a blu ray player that is reasonably priced?
Kevin Miller, D-NIce(DeWayn Davis), Gregg Loewen, UMR(Jeff Meier), and probably Chad B. Contact turbe for more information in his post signature.

Sony, as I already told you, and Panasonic are the two brands that I know something about. There are end of model year sales going on now.
post #12715 of 13978
Here we go again. Amazing how he ignored us all and we end up being right. Now he asks for advice, receives advice from a very knowledgeable forum member - HTWAITS - who is also an Oppo beta tester and instead of letting it rest he is posting on multiple threads about a $79 investment.

You have to be happy for the guy but what's next?
post #12716 of 13978
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

What do you want to know. The Pro has a 3.3 nm sampling mode. It is available within the HCFR program among others. Zoyd used it when he compared the Pro to the Jeti 1211 here.


Oh yeah. Take a good look at his data.

Read this also.


Larry

You may want to read my post quoiting Graeme, about the use of a I1Pro using 3.3 with HCFR. wink.gif
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1504738/jeti-1201-test-results/120#post_24343522

btw, I use the 1211 to set my white point, and yes once the K10-A is profiled with the 1211 the values are all the same as if you where using the 1211. Plus once the K10 is profiled the repeatably x,y and Y are spot on, next to no variation.

ss
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

HCFR? So? Why doesn't any other program utilize 3nm accuracy? There must be a reason.


All the answers are contained in the thread that I linked those posts.

BTW, it appears from all the data in that thread that the difference in x and y between the i1 Pro and the Jeti 1211 is about 0.0005 in absolute terms. I didn't calculate the standard deviation but, of course, it would be a smaller number.

All this about a piece of consumer electronics. rolleyes.gif Specs for studio monitors are looser than what you guys are chasing after -- 100 % perfect data and that doesn't exist in experimental science.


Larry
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Here we go again. Amazing how he ignored us all and we end up being right. Now he asks for advice, receives advice from a very knowledgeable forum member - HTWAITS - who is also an Oppo beta tester and instead of letting it rest he is posting on multiple threads about a $79 investment.

You have to be happy for the guy but what's next?
I'm the one who put him onto the Amazon Sony BDP-S5100 price. Is can't be a surprise that he needs a lot of reassurance.

I regret to inform you that, even though I've owned three OPPO players, and none of them are the current models, it's also true that I've never been an OPPO beta tester. redface.gif

I do admire them for the AVS work that they do, and I steal their information as well as link to their posts every chance I get. biggrin.gif
post #12719 of 13978
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Anyone know of any calibrators that come to CT?

Are you going to decide he is not working properly and send him back?
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Also could use a good recommendation on a blu ray player that is reasonably priced?
The Sony S5100 has been well received.
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