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post #1951 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Sgooter View Post

Looks like my problem has to do with HDMI handshake issues. The replacement Sony BDP is working fine; probably also true with the one that I returned to BB on Friday. I changed out all of the HDMI cables, and now when playing a BD movie I'm "sort of" able to get the audio working with the video. However, for this to work, I have to cycle out of the TV's HDMI 3 Input (for Blu-Ray), such as to HDMI 1 for a few seconds for my AVR to process and play the BD movie audio, then switch back to the TV's HDMI 3 input to finally get the video and the audio playing together. So, at least this is a step in the right direction compared to my previous situation. Just wish I could find a way or an A/V equipment setting to break thru this stubborn handshake problem.

Turns out I have the same problem. I figured out how to get past it. On my 805 I have an hdmi monitor out setting. Turning it off enables the audio. I have to turn it on again when I am done. I have a button on the front of my unit (behind the flip down cover). I can easily change back and forth when putting the disc in our out. I hope that helps.

I am lucky as I also have a PS3 which doesn't have these issues. It must be something with splitting the audio and video that our older AVRs don't handle well. I am going to play around some in the next few days to see if I can find a way to fix it.
post #1952 of 13987
Curious where folks are setting their sharpness. It seems pro reviewers such as D-nice settings for the ST60 and CNET for the ZT60 always use 0 for sharpness while i have read someone here saying they got above 20 with no signs of artifacts on the charts while others use the default 50. Maybe the pro reviewers use0 due to such varied HD quality so many will have and use? Is low 20 range best for maximum sharpness without artificial noise hiding as false sharpness? Guessing many use the sharpness setting too high.

Thoughts on this?
post #1953 of 13987
Ok, Got a debate in the house. D-nice says there is a shift or what ever so no 100 hrs to calibrate wait till 300 hrs can someone explain it.. what tv does far as not stable till 300 hrs to cal....like is it color shift , gamma etc not stable?
Edited by Denniswrly - 5/26/13 at 9:47pm
post #1954 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

Ok, Got a debate in the house. D-nice says there is a shift or what ever so no 100 hrs to calibrate wait till 300 hrs can someone explain it.. what tv does far as not stable till 300 hrs to cal....like is it color shift , gamma etc not stable?
I don't know, but unless you're planning to have a professional calibrate your ST60 before it has at least 300 hours of viewing time on it, it's not relevant.

The bottom line is that it's D-Nice's opinion that he doesn't want to do calibrations on ST60 sets before 300 hours of use because the results may not hold for a reasonable amount of time. Any set will drift enough to partially negate the current settings over time. If it happens too fast, the customer wouldn't be getting their money's worth.
post #1955 of 13987
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

Curious where folks are setting their sharpness. It seems pro reviewers such as D-nice settings for the ST60 and CNET for the ZT60 always use 0 for sharpness while i have read someone here saying they got above 20 with no signs of artifacts on the charts while others use the default 50. Maybe the pro reviewers use0 due to such varied HD quality so many will have and use? Is low 20 range best for maximum sharpness without artificial noise hiding as false sharpness? Guessing many use the sharpness setting too high.

Thoughts on this?

Many pro's will look at Sharpness as a enhancement feature on the Panasonic Plasma's, same as the Kuro's. So when calibrating they will turn off most all or all enhancement's, if the user feels the need to raise sharpness a little that's up to user.

Bottom line, if your eyes are that good use a sharpness pattern. Don't forget a pro is using his/her eyes looking at detail for 3 to 6 hours, so just like the rest of us it becomes harder to focus.

ss
post #1956 of 13987
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I don't know, but unless you're planning to have a professional calibrate your ST60 before it has at least 300 hours of viewing time on it, it's not relevant.

The bottom line is that it's D-Nice's opinion that he doesn't want to do calibrations on ST60 sets before 300 hours of use because the results may not hold for a reasonable amount of time. Any set will drift enough to partially negate the current settings over time. If it happens too fast, the customer wouldn't be getting their money's worth.
it's 65vt60. question was really what does drift mean? color change,gamma etc.....then it will stabilize again an pro cal will stick...is what im arguing with girl about....lol smile.gif
post #1957 of 13987
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

Turns out I have the same problem. I figured out how to get past it. On my 805 I have an hdmi monitor out setting. Turning it off enables the audio. I have to turn it on again when I am done. I have a button on the front of my unit (behind the flip down cover). I can easily change back and forth when putting the disc in our out. I hope that helps.
I am lucky as I also have a PS3 which doesn't have these issues. It must be something with splitting the audio and video that our older AVRs don't handle well. I am going to play around some in the next few days to see if I can find a way to fix it.
Thanks, will let you know If I come up with a decent solution.
post #1958 of 13987
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post


I did find a setting in Cinema mode, it is for panel brightness (or something like that). There are three settings low, mid and high, I changed from the default of low to mid.


ss

After the panel brightness changing from low to mid, did the level of black change?
post #1959 of 13987
USB Keyboard and Mouse & Google Hangout:
*With my 65vt60, I can confirm that Logitech's K400 wireless keyboard and M305 wireless mouse along with the single unifying USB receiver will work together with this TV. There is a 1-2 second lag in displaying what is typed with the keyboard, but the mouse is fine.
I have not found a way to use the Google Hangout videoteleconference - there's no Viera app available for it and I can't access Hangout thru the TV's internet web browser - bummer.

*Update: If your K400 keyboard and/or M305 mouse are stubborn about pairing up with the USB receiver (dongle) while plugged into the TV, then try using them with a PC. The K400 and mouse may pair up easier with the USB receiver when connected to a PC. Once they are all paired, you can move the USB receiver from the PC to your TV's USB port and the K400 keyboard and M305 mouse should now remain paired with the USB receiver.
Edited by Sgooter - 7/1/13 at 6:50pm
post #1960 of 13987
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

Curious where folks are setting their sharpness. It seems pro reviewers such as D-nice settings for the ST60 and CNET for the ZT60 always use 0 for sharpness while i have read someone here saying they got above 20 with no signs of artifacts on the charts while others use the default 50. Maybe the pro reviewers use0 due to such varied HD quality so many will have and use? Is low 20 range best for maximum sharpness without artificial noise hiding as false sharpness? Guessing many use the sharpness setting too high.

Thoughts on this?

When I used the Disney WOW disc I ended up setting it in the mid thirties. 0 wasn't good as it wasn't detailed enough and 50 was a bit too high. I would highly suggest getting this disc to tune the TV a bit. It was $17 through Amazon for just the HDTV version. I had to tweak most settings only a little bit, but it was nice to dial in black, tint, sharpness, color, etc. It doesn't replace a calibration, but it definitely helped. I am actually amazed now close the VT is out of the box, but I changed enough of the settings to improve the picture.
post #1961 of 13987
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Originally Posted by paulbroke View Post

After the panel brightness changing from low to mid, did the level of black change?

It has more to do with contrast, not black level.

I haven't don't any calibration or readings yet, It's always a good idea to wait and let the display stabilize before you start running window patterns to calibrate or take readings.
Window patterns are static, although the colors change the window size is the same.

ss
post #1962 of 13987
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

When I used the Disney WOW disc I ended up setting it in the mid thirties. 0 wasn't good as it wasn't detailed enough and 50 was a bit too high. I would highly suggest getting this disc to tune the TV a bit. It was $17 through Amazon for just the HDTV version. I had to tweak most settings only a little bit, but it was nice to dial in black, tint, sharpness, color, etc. It doesn't replace a calibration, but it definitely helped. I am actually amazed now close the VT is out of the box, but I changed enough of the settings to improve the picture.


Thanks for the feedback with all the details of your settings along with sharpness via using the WOW disc. This disc actually arrived over the weekend via my order through BB for I believe around $17.99 with free shipping. I need to spend some time with it yet. Good to at least know where you ended up putting the sharpness. I adjusted mine to 21 just as a start until I can spend some time with the WOW disc but will more than likely bump it up to mid 30's based on your input.
Edited by robertrobert - 5/27/13 at 11:30am
post #1963 of 13987
Hi I'm new here so sorry for the probly dumb question, but I have a 65" vt60 on the way I need an articulating wall mount but I don't think it's VESA compliant, if anybody knows which mount will work I just wanna be sure before I order. Thank you guys in advance, I've been reading the forums for a while an appreciate all the info I've gained
post #1964 of 13987
post #1965 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Most universal mounts for 65" and up will work. For example:

http://www.omnimount.com/products/tv_wall_mounts/full_motion/ulpc-x/


http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProduct.aspx/tn/708/u/t/categoryID/195

These are rock solid units above.

Thank you sir for that, I was looking at that exact peerless mount but the omnimount looks pretty good too, I appreciate the fast reply
post #1966 of 13987
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Originally Posted by EasyDozit View Post

Hi I'm new here so sorry for the probly dumb question, but I have a 65" vt60 on the way I need an articulating wall mount but I don't think it's VESA compliant, if anybody knows which mount will work I just wanna be sure before I order. Thank you guys in advance, I've been reading the forums for a while an appreciate all the info I've gained

I have this upstairs with the Samsung un75 inch. Works great.

http://www.sanus.com/us/en/search/results?manufacturer=mf-pct-fp-123&model=pct-fp-29471&method=mountfinder
post #1967 of 13987
I ordered a 60VT60 yesterday, and am concerned about possible damage from a new cat my girlfriend just adopted. The cat is not yet declawed.
Maybe a stupid question, but is the AR coating on the outside? I don't know if the cat will 'attack' the screen when it's on.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this concern. Thanks all.
post #1968 of 13987
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Originally Posted by EasyDozit View Post

Hi I'm new here so sorry for the probly dumb question, but I have a 65" vt60 on the way I need an articulating wall mount but I don't think it's VESA compliant, if anybody knows which mount will work I just wanna be sure before I order. Thank you guys in advance, I've been reading the forums for a while an appreciate all the info I've gained


I would highly recommend this one which is what i use. Very sturdy and nice looking.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JBCYSO/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There is a model above this one that has up and down movement besides in and out movement plus tilt. I knew the height i wanted so felt extra cost for up and down movement was not needed.

I remember plugging in the m/n of my display on the Sonus site to see all the wall mounts for it.
post #1969 of 13987
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Originally Posted by LouV68 View Post

I ordered a 60VT60 yesterday, and am concerned about possible damage from a new cat my girlfriend just adopted. The cat is not yet declawed.
Maybe a stupid question, but is the AR coating on the outside? I don't know if the cat will 'attack' the screen when it's on.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this concern. Thanks all.


You don't need to worry about it, it's glass. They are cats not tigers. I have one and never once has it touched it. Another solution to make you at ease, mount it on the wall, you should do it anyways, it's much cleaner look. You can always cut their nails too, my wife does it all the time, not for the tv but our new couches. biggrin.gif
post #1970 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Irwin M Fletche View Post

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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

anyone know how to get into the service menu to check the hours on the TV?
Do not deviate from the instructions, as you could do something unintended.

Press and hold the {VOL -} button ON THE PLASMA TV.
Then press the {INFO} button on the remote control 3 times.

"Start Adjustment Menu" message will be displayed followed
by the Service Menu after few seconds.

ADJUST {Picture Adjustment}
WB-ADJUST {White Balance Adjustment}
OPTION {Option Setting}
V-SUS {V-SUS Adjustment}
AGING
SRV-TOOL {Service Tool}
{1} & {2} buttons move through options

Press the {2} button once to select "SRV-TOOL".

Then press the {OK} button to access it.

Using the cursor keys, highlight the right side
of the last item "PTCT :00.00.00.00.00" :





Then press and hold the {MUTE} button for 3 seconds.

Time and Count will be displayed in red color:



__TIME = Hours : Minutes of operation.
COUNT = Times the Plasma was powered on.

To exit, unplug the power cable. Or hold down the exit
Button on the remote (results in the TV turning off/on automatically

That didn't seem to work on the 60VT60? Am I missing something?
post #1971 of 13987
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Originally Posted by smc View Post

That didn't seem to work on the 60VT60? Am I missing something?

Ok I tried the other "right". Worked fine smile.gif
post #1972 of 13987
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

I would highly recommend this one which is what i use. Very sturdy and nice looking.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JBCYSO/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There is a model above this one that has up and down movement besides in and out movement plus tilt. I knew the height i wanted so felt extra cost for up and down movement was not needed.

I remember plugging in the m/n of my display on the Sonus site to see all the wall mounts for it.

Hi, thanks Robert but I actually already ordered the omnimount, I do like the way the one you posted looks better but I think I'm just gonna go with what I ordered, thanks for the reply brother
post #1973 of 13987
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Originally Posted by LouV68 View Post

I ordered a 60VT60 yesterday, and am concerned about possible damage from a new cat my girlfriend just adopted. The cat is not yet declawed.
Maybe a stupid question, but is the AR coating on the outside? I don't know if the cat will 'attack' the screen when it's on.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this concern. Thanks all.
The coating is on the outside. I can't speak for your new cat, but if the cat attacks the TV there isn't anything to grab. I think it would just bounce off, and that would be the end of it. On the other hand, if you have speakers they may be in danger.
post #1974 of 13987
Yeah just cut the nails normally, have two cats and my TV is on a stand. Sure some animal programs is interesting but never claws on screen.
post #1975 of 13987
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Originally Posted by LouV68 View Post

I ordered a 60VT60 yesterday, and am concerned about possible damage from a new cat my girlfriend just adopted. The cat is not yet declawed.
Maybe a stupid question, but is the AR coating on the outside? I don't know if the cat will 'attack' the screen when it's on.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had this concern. Thanks all.

I don't think you have to worry. My cat doesn't bother with my TV either. Buy a few scratching posts. Trim the nails.

FYI

http://m.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/declawing.html
Edited by TWD - 5/28/13 at 12:02am
post #1976 of 13987
It is time to upgrade my TV here... in 2005 I got a Panasonic TH-50px50u, and then in 2009 I replaced it with a Panasonic TC-P50G10. Both very good TVs, but I never got that amazing "wow" picture from them. Maybe it is personal taste, but the pictures never seemed sharp, never seemed amazing.. My source material is mixed, but mostly Comcast cable and OTA via my Tivo Premier, and some Xbox 360 gaming. We mainly watch sports (hockey, football, baseball) and your average run of the mill television shows. We are not film buffs, we don't need perfect color matching to the way the director intended.I like sharp pictures, especially around words/captions etc. I found the G10 to just be overall "soft" if you will. Strangely both the PX50U and the G10 display a clearer picture from the xbox in 720p mode than 1080p mode. Go figure, i know the PX50U had some issue interpreting 1080i signals, tv is long gone so a non issue now! smile.gif

I've found Panny's menu and options to be sub-par in those TVs, i hoped that has changed over the years.

I'm debating on the VT60 or one of the higher end (F7500 or F8000) Samsung LEDs.

Any thoughts/ideas on how the VT60 would compare to what I have had over the past few years?

Smart TV apps do nothing for me, but looks like that is a non issue, try finding a good tv w/out that crap.

Thanks!
Edited by wdwms - 5/28/13 at 9:46am
post #1977 of 13987
The VT60 will be superior in most ways, the LCD models you are looking at will have the LCD "look" and be brighter.....My best suggestion would be to go view all of them in a store (even thugh this is not ideal) and see which one you like the best. Also, choose somewhere that has a good return policy, if you are unhappy with one it will make it an easier exchange process smile.gif
post #1978 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

The VT60 will be superior in most ways, the LCD models you are looking at will have the LCD "look" and be brighter.....My best suggestion would be to go view all of them in a store (even thugh this is not ideal) and see which one you like the best. Also, choose somewhere that has a good return policy, if you are unhappy with one it will make it an easier exchange process smile.gif

Yah i'm afraid that maybe what i'm looking for is that "LCD Look".. eek, could i be turning to that side of things! In the end, this next TV is just to hold me over until OLEDs become affordable...

Fortunately, I have a Pauls TV around here that I can go check out.. they are setup a bit better than our big box stores..
post #1979 of 13987
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Originally Posted by wdwms View Post

We mainly watch sports (hockey, football, baseball) and your average run of the mill television shows. We are not film buffs, we don't need perfect color matching to the way the director intended.I'm debating on the VT60 or one of the higher end (F7500 or F8000) Samsung LEDs.

Any thoughts/ideas on how the VT60 would compare to what I have had over the past few years?

I may be in the minority on this, but I don't understand why anyone would spend gobs of extra money (say, beyond ST60 coin) in order to watch sports and tv shows. Again, I guess I'm alone here in feeling this way, but these flagship panels are only enjoyed at their full potential when viewing blu-ray content. And further, blu-ray content in at least a semi-dark room. And even further, the VT60 should be paired with a pretty nice sound system. The idea is to approach the movie theater experience (immersion, etc) in the comfort of our own space, I thought.

I suppose my "audiophile" is showing, but I'd analogize dropping over $2 grand on an HDTV in order to watch football or 30 Rock to investing over $20 grand in a hi-end component stereo in order to play primarily lossy MP3 files as background music.

That said, the more who buy the VT/ZT60 (or F8500), the better for us all. So ignore my remarks!
post #1980 of 13987
Are you guys experiencing vertical banding or DSE? I have vertical banding/DSE across my whole screen. I'm just wondering if this is normal for this set? I'm wi seeing if upgrading to the ZT will eliminate any of this?
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