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post #2641 of 13990
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^ZT60's fans sound to be variable speed because I have heard pitch adjustments after turning on the set.

I definitely agree with this. When I first turn on the display they seem to kick on in high and then it goes down after a few seconds.
post #2642 of 13990
I'm going to "boycott" all of the fan talk for now since I haven't begun to fixate ("make myself notice") on any noise I may or may be getting. That said, this is very interesting and I've gotta believe that within a few more weeks a few of you will have totally nailed it. Appreciated in advance!!

So, despite the above comments, this post is focused on D-Nice. C'mon forum friend and respected expert!!! Post those VT60 settings. LOL.
post #2643 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Sammie2980 View Post

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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^ZT60's fans sound to be variable speed because I have heard pitch adjustments after turning on the set.

I definitely agree with this. When I first turn on the display they seem to kick on in high and then it goes down after a few seconds.
Thanks. But that's the opposite of what I would expect. Of course I have a computer fan that needs replacing. It's making a big racket until it gets warm, and then it's good until the next cold start.
Edited by htwaits - 6/15/13 at 2:13pm
post #2644 of 13990
Do you think the price will go down by the fall...late October/Nov, and if it does how low will it go by then, a couple hundred?, id love to see if i can get a 60 vt60 for 2499 delivered by then, heres hoping smile.gif
post #2645 of 13990
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Thanks. But that's the opposite of what I would expect. Of course I have a computer fan that needs replacing. It's making a big racket until it gets worm, and then it's good until the next cold start.
Mine behaves equivalent to Sammie's. It could be that the software may be coded to activate them immediately upon bootup followed by an adjustment up (or down or off? tongue.gif) depending on the temperature the sensor(s) detect.
post #2646 of 13990
Have your noticed that VT60 using 4th generation panel while ZT 60 using 3th generation panel,
Does it mean vt is better than ZT?
post #2647 of 13990
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Originally Posted by JonThomasDesigns View Post

I have had 2 65"VT60s both had unbearable fan noise (mounted in built in , low profile mount )



Using acoustic foam behind both fans and my custom fan filters I can still hear it though much much much better

BUT there is no way I'll ever return it for something else ... It's so amazing I'll deal with minor annoyance , I'd recommend using the fan filter idea I had because it seemed to work the best for me

Both were made in april both from amazon .. Amazing return policy they just come and take it no questions asked

In your case you have one of the worst conditions I can think of to trap and create the max heat issue for your monster 65VT50.
It looks like you are using a wall hugging mount, reassessed in a cabinet and above a fire place. eek.gif

It seems to me that how the VT60 dissipates heat is from the back, as where the VT50 dissipates heat not only from the back but also from the screen. If there is any truth to that then I would be very careful not to block in anyway of the airflow of the fans in your VT60. I am guessing after a few minutes of turning on your VT60 your fans go to high speed and stay that way.

In my case yes I hear the fans turn (not loud or unpleasant) on when I first turn on my 65VT60 because of the fans starting at a higher speed than normal and then dropping down in speed. My guess is when the VT60 is first turn on the fans are cycled for a self test then work normally.

So for me I am glad I hear the fans come on, that way I know they are working. Once that is over and I am viewing something there is no fan noise at all.

imo this is a plus not a issue.

ss
post #2648 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

In your case you have one of the worst conditions I can think of to trap and create the max heat issue for your monster 65VT50.
It looks like you are using a wall hugging mount, reassessed in a cabinet and above a fire place. eek.gif

It seems to me that how the VT60 dissipates heat is from the back, as where the VT50 dissipates heat not only from the back but also from the screen. If there is any truth to that then I would be very careful not to block in anyway of the airflow of the fans in your VT60. I am guessing after a few minutes of turning on your VT60 your fans go to high speed and stay that way.

In my case yes I hear the fans turn (not loud or unpleasant) on when I first turn on my 65VT60 because of the fans starting at a higher speed than normal and then dropping down in speed. My guess is when the VT60 is first turn on the fans are cycled for a self test then work normally.

So for me I am glad I hear the fans come on, that way I know they are working. Once that is over and I am viewing something there is no fan noise at all.

imo this is a plus not a issue.

ss

Completely agree. I barely hear my fan and this was the case with my previous VT60 I swapped out. However, my display is on a stand and not enclosed around anything at all. Totally open.
post #2649 of 13990
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

I spent at least 3 hours at 2 different Magnolia locations looking at the VT, ZT and the 8500 Samsung. I watched the Movie mode with dark room setting for the 8500, THX Cinema for the Panasonics. For fine detail the Panasonic clearly showed an advantage. It also showed an advantage in motion detail as the Samsung seemed choppy in comparison. Shadow detail is another advantage. Also colors were simply stunning on the Panasonics.

After comparing the ZT to the 8500 I went to the ZT vs. VT. I had select films playing from a Panasonic bluray player that had dual HDMI outputs. I honestly could not see a difference between the two. I realize that the ZT will hold it's blacks better in a bright room, but due to the studio master panel it also has less light output by about 5 foot lamperts and less contrast ratio as seen in review after review comparing the two from Value Electronics, Cnet, etc. Also I did quite a bit of 3-D viewing as it will be my first 3-D tv. Due to the higher light output the Panasonic holds the advantage here as well. ZT had a hard time synching to the glasses so it was more troublesome when viewing content. The VT in THX mode had a slightly more saturated picture as well, I don't know why.

In a dark room, the Panasonics show a notable advantage from lack of floating black, as well. This is a major problem on the F8500 in my opinion having used it for a week side by side to the VT60.
post #2650 of 13990
For you fellow DIY calibrators.

What I am finding is that the different modes will give, once well calibrated different looks.

Cinema, will give more saturated colors, but less contrast.
Custom a darker picture.
Pro 1 (I have not tried pro 2, but I would think they are the same). Gives great contrast, great detail, great depth, not over saturated, ect. Really imo the best mode.
Setting contrast to about 65 should give you a very nice balance about 35FL, start to clip over 240.
Brightness +1 or 0. So you aren't crushing black level.
Color default setting.
Sharpness 0 to be on the safe side.
Panel, Mid.
Gamma 2.4 (Gamma target set in your calibration software 2.22)
DT 709.
All enhancements turned off.

Keep in mind I only use Blu Ray movies In my man cave with pretty good light control.
My Calibration software in the above calibrations, is Lightspace, meter is a K10-A, triplet source pattern generator is a Radiance Mini 3D.
I also use a eecolor box to store and process my large LUT calibrations, 4913 pts. compared to 10pt gray-scale and 6pt cms of a normal calibration.
However I do set very lightly my 10pt grayscale in the VT60, mainly just 100 to balance RGB.

ss
Edited by sillysally - 6/15/13 at 2:26pm
post #2651 of 13990
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^ZT60's fans sound to be variable speed because I have heard pitch adjustments after turning on the set.
Both time I entered the service menu the fan sped up noticeably (faster=louder) and slowed down when I exited again.
post #2652 of 13990
I can't even give away my 1.5 year old 65vt30 for $900 with 1300 hours use. The day i can buy a 60vt60 for around $2200 i am jumping.
post #2653 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

For you fellow DIY calibrators.

What I am finding is that the different modes will give, once well calibrated different looks.

Cinema, will give more saturated colors, but less contrast.
Custom a darker picture.
Pro 1 (I have not tried pro 2, but I would think they are the same). Gives great contrast, great detail, great depth, not over saturated, ect. Really imo the best mode.

Please let us know once you have a chance to mess with Pro 2. I'd sure hope it's the exact same as 1. Sort of odd that Custom is different than Pro 1 isn't it? Might be time to get a Panny insider to comment. I'm super curious as to whether or not D-Nice will use Custom or Pro.

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Color default setting.


ss

Color temp?

And much appreciate the post!
post #2654 of 13990
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Mine behaves equivalent to Sammie's. It could be that the software may be coded to activate them immediately upon bootup followed by an adjustment up (or down or off? tongue.gif) depending on the temperature the sensor(s) detect.
It's common in electronics to default the fan control to a higher value and then turn it down when the processor boots and has made some initial temperature measurements. The reasoning is so the device is cooled adequately if the processor fails to boot.
post #2655 of 13990
I haven't noticed it with a TV before now, but my Toshiba laptop certainly behaves just as you described.
post #2656 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

For you fellow DIY calibrators.

What I am finding is that the different modes will give, once well calibrated different looks.

Cinema, will give more saturated colors, but less contrast.
Custom a darker picture.
Pro 1 (I have not tried pro 2, but I would think they are the same). Gives great contrast, great detail, great depth, not over saturated, ect. Really imo the best mode.
Setting contrast to about 65 should give you a very nice balance about 35FL, start to clip over 240.
Brightness +1 or 0. So you aren't crushing black level.
Color default setting.
Sharpness 0 to be on the safe side.
Panel, Mid.
Gamma 2.4 (Gamma target set in your calibration software 2.22)
DT 709.
All enhancements turned off.

Keep in mind I only use Blu Ray movies In my man cave with pretty good light control.
My Calibration software in the above calibrations, is Lightspace, meter is a K10-A, triplet source pattern generator is a Radiance Mini 3D.
I also use a eecolor box to store and process my large LUT calibrations, 4913 pts. compared to 10pt gray-scale and 6pt cms of a normal calibration.
However I do set very lightly my 10pt grayscale in the VT60, mainly just 100 to balance RGB.

ss


I agree with this as I have been calibrating all day with my Display 3 and chromopure...Pretty much dead on for Pro 1, my contrast is around 72 and Brightness +2...everything else the same and gives an amazing picture
post #2657 of 13990
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Please let us know once you have a chance to mess with Pro 2. I'd sure hope it's the exact same as 1. Sort of odd that Custom is different than Pro 1 isn't it? Might be time to get a Panny insider to comment. I'm super curious as to whether or not D-Nice will use Custom or Pro.
Color temp?

And much appreciate the post!

Warm 2.

The other thing I found using Cinema was a very slight pinkish tone in whites in a few cases. Not saying it was a cause for concern because I really had to look for it.
Probably caused by having to set contrast at about 78 to 81, and therefore getting a slight green cast in the higher (brighter) points of a 21 step grayscale ramp. A 10 step ramp looked fine.

Kinda like my VT50 when I used Warm 2, and that's why I used Warm 1 in calibrating the VT50.

These are the little things that don't really show up in dE's, charts or numbers, only a visual using the owners eye will this kinda stuff show up.

ss.
Edited by sillysally - 6/15/13 at 8:49pm
post #2658 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sfitzger View Post

I agree with this as I have been calibrating all day with my Display 3 and chromopure...Pretty much dead on for Pro 1, my contrast is around 72 and Brightness +2...everything else the same and gives an amazing picture

You bring up a very good point, and that is varying your settings slightly from what is right for me or anybody for that matter..
Room conditions/lighting, distance, your eye's, display's slight differences, ect. do play a fairly big roll in your (the owners) viewing pleasure.

dE's, charts and numbers all be it impotent, as long as you are with in spec range that's all that really counts. Unless you are going for bragging rights.

ss
post #2659 of 13990
On the monoprice site you need to enter the Vesa width and height values to help with the wall mount selection; does anyone know what they are for the 65" VT60 ? For interest sake, are these values the same for all the new Panasonic plasmas (ST, VT, ZT)?
post #2660 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

[snip]

dE's, charts and numbers all be it impotent, as long as you are with in spec range that's all that really counts. Unless you are going for bragging rights.

ss

^^This said by someone who a few posts before said:
Quote:
[snip]

My Calibration software in the above calibrations, is Lightspace, meter is a K10-A, triplet source pattern generator is a Radiance Mini 3D.

I also use a eecolor box to store and process my large LUT calibrations, 4913 pts. compared to 10pt gray-scale and 6pt cms of a normal calibration.

[snip]

I kid you, ss. smile.gif Actually, I'm jealous. mad.gif

Larry
post #2661 of 13990
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Originally Posted by mondo3 View Post

On the monoprice site you need to enter the Vesa width and height values to help with the wall mount selection; does anyone know what they are for the 65" VT60 ? For interest sake, are these values the same for all the new Panasonic plasmas (ST, VT, ZT)?

What mounts from monoprice are you looking at?


most of them in the size range will work, but let us know. VESA is on the panny website, or you can download the manual in this thread.

Mine came from monoprice, a nice low profile mount.

No need for a full motion, but if you do, check out Sanus of Chief.
post #2662 of 13990
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

^^This said by someone who a few posts before said:
I kid you, ss. smile.gif Actually, I'm jealous. mad.gif

Larry

You got me there. Your post is one of the best and apropos post's I have read in a long time. biggrin.gif

ss
post #2663 of 13990
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Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post

What mounts from monoprice are you looking at?


most of them in the size range will work, but let us know. VESA is on the panny website, or you can download the manual in this thread.

Mine came from monoprice, a nice low profile mount.

No need for a full motion, but if you do, check out Sanus of Chief.

where's the manual in this thread? i searched "manual" and didnt find any link
post #2664 of 13990
I am looking for TC-P55VT60 best picture settings after burn in period - I find St60 but not VT60 can someone please help!!
post #2665 of 13990
Went ahead and placed a order for a new Pannny 60vt60 plasma from Cleveland Plasma just now. Hope to have it this coming week.


Guess i am stuck with the 65vt30 as i can't even get a bite for $900.

Chris was fun to talk with and a nice guy.
post #2666 of 13990
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

Went ahead and placed a order for a new Pannny 60vt60 plasma from Cleveland Plasma just now. Hope to have it this coming week.


Guess i am stuck with the 65vt30 as i can't even get a bite for $900.

Chris was fun to talk with and a nice guy.

It will be a nice upgrade. I'm coming from a 65ST30...about to Craiglist mine. I'm throwing in a pretty nice stand and it's been pro cal'd (Chad B)...hoping that will get me a few extra bucks. smile.gif My friend was about to buy it, but his wife stepped in and told him it was too big. rolleyes.gif
post #2667 of 13990
I'm getting my 65VT60 from Cleveland Plasma this Wednesday or Thursday. You can't get better than Chris at Cleveland. He and his crew there are amazing. I'm coming from a 50S60 just 2 months old. I lost my Kuro in a divorce and been messing with cheap plasma for three plus years. I was stunned by the S60 PQ so I'm sure to be knocked over by the VT.

As a side note, I bought an economical string of bias lighting which is temporarily set behind the S60. I saw, but cannot find, a post that instructed how to trim off excess lights that are not needed. Can someone point me in the right direction?
post #2668 of 13990
13 days and counting, D-nice be here...smile.gif Cannot wait no longer..hehehehe
post #2669 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

13 days and counting, D-nice be here...smile.gif Cannot wait no longer..hehehehe
It woudl take me months to get 300 hours on my new 60VT60 as i will only use it about 2 hours a nite.
post #2670 of 13990
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Originally Posted by CHASLS2 View Post

It woudl take me months to get 300 hours on my new 60VT60 as i will only use it about 2 hours a nite.

Slides will get you there in less than two weeks. wink.gif
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