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post #31 of 13986
Can you folks comment on the glare and reflection on the glass of the vt60? Considering switching from a F8000 led. Also, how will the brightness compare?
post #32 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Literally any day..........

Will this include 65" or will we have to wait for those like most Panasonic stuff.
post #33 of 13986
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Originally Posted by znutz View Post

Can you folks comment on the glare and reflection on the glass of the vt60? Considering switching from a F8000 led. Also, how will the brightness compare?

From what I saw the other day, the screen was fairly anti-reflective. It's all going to come down to your personal situation though. If you are going to put the screen opposite a window, and watch TV during the day, I'm sure it will be pretty unbearable (as would any plasma). Honestly, the brightness will not come close to your F8000. That is just not one of plasma's strengths. The brightness on the VT60 is very good (for a plasma), and the contrast ratio is going to be superior to your F8000. But, plasma's are more about dark blacks, better shadow detail, better motion, truer colors, over LED's.... not brightness and anti-reflective screens.
post #34 of 13986
Just noticed the 60VT60 is now listed on Panasonic's website as "ships in 1-3 days". The 65" is still showing as a preorder. Hopefully the 60VT60 starts appearing in stores...
post #35 of 13986
the 55 and 65 have been on amazon for days now so only a matter of time before they hit stores.
post #36 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

From what I saw the other day, the screen was fairly anti-reflective. It's all going to come down to your personal situation though. If you are going to put the screen opposite a window, and watch TV during the day, I'm sure it will be pretty unbearable (as would any plasma). Honestly, the brightness will not come close to your F8000. That is just not one of plasma's strengths. The brightness on the VT60 is very good (for a plasma), and the contrast ratio is going to be superior to your F8000. But, plasma's are more about dark blacks, better shadow detail, better motion, truer colors, over LED's.... not brightness and anti-reflective screens.

Thank you. The screen will sit opposite a window with heavy curtains. I watch mostly at night so I'm hoping glare would be tolerable.

I turn backlighting on my led to about 10. Is this comparable to a plasma?
post #37 of 13986
Looks like reports of the demise of plasma are a bit premature: http://hdguru.com/breaking-news-panasonic-to-continue-plasma-tv-research-and-development/
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Reports were published this week claiming Panasonic is pulling out of plasma TV panel development and its 2013 will be the last panels they will design. This statement was not made at this Tuesday’s Panasonic press event we attended. HD Guru reached out to Panasonic to confirm the story. A Panasonic executive just issued a response, stating Panasonic’s continued commitment to continue plasma research and development for its plasma HDTVs. Read the statement after the break.



“Reports that Panasonic will no longer develop and manufacture Plasma HDTVs are not correct. ”

“This week in New York City, Panasonic demonstrated the latest development of our gapless Plasma panel technology in our 2013 Smart VIERA ZT Series Plasma HDTV. The technology incorporated into our ZT Series Studio Master Panel will be the basis for continued plasma display panel development and production. While the Smart VIERA ZT Series introduces a new level of Plasma picture quality, we believe there is still room for further improvement and intend to continue to research ways to take our Plasma technology to even higher levels where it also has the potential to be applied in our other Plasma series in the future.

“VIERA Plasma HDTVs continue to set the standard for picture quality and black level excellence and the ZT Series is another example of the continued ability of Plasma to evolve and continue to deliver a best-in-class HDTV.”

– Henry Hauser, Vice President, Merchandising Group, Panasonic Consumer Marketing Company of North America
post #38 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Looks like reports of the demise of plasma are a bit premature: http://hdguru.com/breaking-news-panasonic-to-continue-plasma-tv-research-and-development/

Not sure though that "research" is the same as R&D dollars...research can mean other things.
post #39 of 13986
Just pulled the trigger on a 55" VT60 from Amazon. About a week until it's delivered. My impressions and pics then.

I'm returning a Samsung F8000 due to poor off angle viewing, stuttering, and screen uniformity issues.

Wish me luck!
post #40 of 13986
Did the ST60 achieve better black levels than the VT50? If so, then can the VT60 get any better in that area considering that the ZT60 would have to be the best of all in order to justify the price.
post #41 of 13986
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Did the ST60 achieve better black levels than the VT50? If so, then can the VT60 get any better in that area considering that the ZT60 would have to be the best of all in order to justify the price.

D-nice measured .0016 on the ST60 which is a bit better than the VT50 which I think was around .0022 or so with 60hz although even lower in 96hz but the flicker is too much for some in that mode.
post #42 of 13986
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Originally Posted by znutz View Post

Just pulled the trigger on a 55" VT60 from Amazon. About a week until it's delivered. My impressions and pics then.

I'm returning a Samsung F8000 due to poor off angle viewing, stuttering, and screen uniformity issues.

Wish me luck!

Congrats and good luck!
post #43 of 13986
My 55 inch VT60 should arrive on Monday. I will do my best to share impressions (though I'm something of a newbie so I'll be happy to take questions!). I'm upgrading from a 2008 Samsung LN46a650..
post #44 of 13986
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Did the ST60 achieve better black levels than the VT50? If so, then can the VT60 get any better in that area considering that the ZT60 would have to be the best of all in order to justify the price.

Pretty much yes.....and the difference may not be as big as people are expecting (my opinion).....Dnice said the ST60 is noticeably darker than the VT50...... best may be "fractionally" so but may excel in other areas.....
post #45 of 13986
I went to the Magnolia department at Best Buy here in New York City. There was a sign with release dates for their showrooms. The 65VT60 will be released on April 19th while the 55VT60 and the 60VT60 will be there on April 21st. The ZT60s will be there on June 9th. I really want to just go with the 65VT60 since I have no TV at all(I just finished furnishing my apartment and the TV is the only thing missing), but I'll be damned if I buy it now only to read later about how better the ZT60 is.
post #46 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Mauriziooo View Post

I went to the Magnolia department at Best Buy here in New York City. There was a sign with release dates for their showrooms. The 65VT60 will be released on April 19th while the 55VT60 and the 60VT60 will be there on April 21st. The ZT60s will be there on June 9th. I really want to just go with the 65VT60 since I have no TV at all(I just finished furnishing my apartment and the TV is the only thing missing), but I'll be damned if I buy it now only to read later about how better the ZT60 is.

Just my opinion but from early reports I dont think youll have to worry that much wink.gif
Edited by Ph8te - 4/12/13 at 4:31pm
post #47 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Just my opinion but from early reports I dont think youll have to worry that much wink.gif

Thanks. I just have to see how long I can hold out. I'm starting to get tired of staring at a blank wall. I'm trying to convince myself that the Studio Master Panel can only make the ZT60 a tad better. The only thing is that I'm hearing the ZT60s panel is more like the ST60s than any other model, which makes me even more curious.
post #48 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Mauriziooo View Post

Thanks. I just have to see how long I can hold out. I'm starting to get tired of staring at a blank wall. I'm trying to convince myself that the Studio Master Panel can only make the ZT60 a tad better. The only thing is that I'm hearing the ZT60s panel is more like the ST60s than any other model, which makes me even more curious.

There are a feew differences but the VT and ST are closer than the ZT.....It really comes down to the process, the ZT is bonded directly to the panel while with the VT\ST there is an air gap(from what I have read that i) There is also the gradiations difference and a few other things, but the main difference is how the panel is built......The ST looks to the the bang for the buck set to beat as its performance especially when calibrated is on par if not exceeding the flagship panel from last year....Will the ZT be better, sure, will it be the price premium better than the ST\VT only you can make that determination smile.gif from early reports however, I am leaning towards no (my opinion), we wont really know until a calibrator gets hands on with a production unit.....
post #49 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Mauriziooo View Post

I really want to just go with the 65VT60 since I have no TV at all(I just finished furnishing my apartment and the TV is the only thing missing), but I'll be damned if I buy it now only to read later about how better the ZT60 is.


Buy the vt60 from a seller with a good return policy, that way if you have any doubts, or if you are not completely satisfied with the tv then you can return it. Also, the shootout is less than a month away, so you would have more info about the vt and the zt, and if the zt is significantly better and worth the upgrade.
post #50 of 13986
Until the shootout then. Thanks for the feedback.
post #51 of 13986
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This review is awsome! TV is the best eek.gif
post #53 of 13986
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Originally Posted by headlesschickens View Post

I can't imagine why their TV broadcasts went with 50hz when literally everything else was using 60. It does sound like the overall statement is that 50hz is handled better than it was in the 2012 models.

That number wasn't just chosen it was almost impossible to do anything else, as you might know European power is and back then was 220V/ 50hz. In the US it is 110V/60hz hence the difference. Only when technology progressed tv's could output a frequency which wasnt the same as the frequency of the powersource. I see this problem combined with the fact that the movie industry chose 24 fps as one the biggest problems in film/video history.

I still have an old Plasma(not for long now biggrin.gif) that cant natively output 24fps, European STB's/provider don't broadcast US content as 60hz, and worst of all I am incredibly susceptible too judder. I dont watch the Blu-Ray's i have, I download them on my PC and speed them up to 25fps with ReClock. 60hz content shown by European broadcasters (not all strangely enough) will always be a problem unless they start handing out STB's that can do 50 and 60 hz, but i will never see that happening.
post #54 of 13986

Thanks for that review! Looks stunning. Mine is set to arrive next Friday biggrin.gif

Anyone else get excited when they see blacks like this? Maybe it's just me!
post #55 of 13986
Any info on any audio differences between the ST, VT and ZT 60's? That was one of the deciding factors that led me to return my F8500 Samsung. I would imagine that most of you run your TV's audio through a HT setup but I'm going to be using the TV with the built-in audio so this is quite important to me. Any feedback, even second hand, would be appreciated. Not only between all the current crop of 60's but how does Panasonic's audio stack up against competitors onboard audio.
post #56 of 13986
THIS line ought to make some folks happy...

"Input Lag.
Without the accompanying game mode reaches a value of 100 ms
At each setting.
Now choose the game mode.
Turn off improvers
Game mode and attach to our eyes appears to master pulling the Panasonic 50VT60 plasma. For the first time ever reaches zero - the cinema setting.
Other settings is 50 ms
Again, the 50 ms"
post #57 of 13986
I own 65vt50 panny for week now ran slides etc. i also owned 55vt50.... Question i know zt60 is upgrade and price also.. But PQ etc worth going to vt60 and better than my 65vt50? smile.gif
Edited by Denniswrly - 4/13/13 at 8:10am
post #58 of 13986
My dealer will let me exchange and pay difference in price ..just need to decide before 1 week.
Edited by Denniswrly - 4/13/13 at 8:13am
post #59 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

THIS line ought to make some folks happy...

"Input Lag.
Without the accompanying game mode reaches a value of 100 ms
At each setting.
Now choose the game mode.
Turn off improvers
Game mode and attach to our eyes appears to master pulling the Panasonic 50VT60 plasma. For the first time ever reaches zero - the cinema setting.
Other settings is 50 ms
Again, the 50 ms"

Well it can't be zero. What that means is that the lag matched their other display, whatever it is. And depending on the method of the test (Windows clone or HDMI splitter?) there may be additional differences between the latency of the two displays. So.. basically this tells us nothing other than the fact that the latency can be decreased significantly from the numbers you get without game mode. It'd be a safe bet that the lag testing device's ~40ms (UK version) is probably where it's going to be for all models that have the "hexa processor" this year.
post #60 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

I own 65vt50 panny for week now ran slides etc. i also owned 55vt50.... Question i know zt60 is upgrade and price also.. But PQ etc worth going to vt60 and better than my 65vt50? smile.gif
Reviews and test must be done on the VT60, the way things look I would say it would be a upgrade, just how much of an upgrade is the question.
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