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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Anyone have a link to this "VE" website? I'm not familiar with it and, if I'm not mistaken, it's the place where this now-almost-legendary shootout will be taking place.
It's blocked from here (for petty reasons, I do suspect), but you simply have to Google "Value Electronics," and it will be the first link in the list.
post #302 of 13986
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Originally Posted by TommmyJ View Post

Anyone notice if the right hand side vertical band made it through to the 60's? That is the reason my 65VT50 was returned.

It is on the 60ST60 that I have.
post #303 of 13986
My 65ST30 has a very faint, vertical band on the right side of screen. I know some other ST30 owners had it too.
post #304 of 13986
what exactly is the " right hand side vertical band" issue?

My 60" vt60 is scheduled to arrive tomorrow, and the return policy from the online site I purchased from (eastcoasttvs) only permits exchanges if there is a problem with the TV which is noticed at the time of delivery. So I'm not going to sign for the shipment until I've verified it's in proper working order.....
post #305 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Irwin M Fletche View Post

what exactly is the " right hand side vertical band" issue?

My 60" vt60 is scheduled to arrive tomorrow, and the return policy from the online site I purchased from (eastcoasttvs) only permits exchanges if there is a problem with the TV which is noticed at the time of delivery. So I'm not going to sign for the shipment until I've verified it's in proper working order.....

Put a white slide or another light colored slide and youl be able to tell if there is a band on the right side.......
post #306 of 13986
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

It is on the 60ST60 that I have.

Is it a consistent color (such as black), does it border the edge of the display or is it inset, approximately how wide is it?
post #307 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Irwin M Fletche View Post

Is it a consistent color (such as black), does it border the edge of the display or is it inset, approximately how wide is it?

It's approximately 1" wide running vertically, along the right side of the glass. It's barely noticeable while viewing a full screen grey image.
post #308 of 13986
What if i do have it on my 65vt50 which i see it.. but on content not there....is there a problem or somethin it does if seen??
post #309 of 13986
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

It's approximately 1" wide running vertically, along the right side of the glass. It's barely noticeable while viewing a full screen grey image.

I had that on a 55VT30 I once owned. My cousin has it now. He's never said a word about it.wink.gif
post #310 of 13986
I had used grey slides to see it best. Its too bad if they haven't got rid of the band. I went through around 4 or 5 of last year's Panasonic's and couldn't find one that didn't have the bands, color blobs or buzzing. Sounds like nothing has changed.
post #311 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Oplasmic View Post

I had that on a 55VT30 I once owned. My cousin has it now. He's never said a word about it.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by TommmyJ View Post

I had used grey slides to see it best. Its too bad if they haven't got rid of the band. I went through around 4 or 5 of last year's Panasonic's and couldn't find one that didn't have the bands, color blobs or buzzing. Sounds like nothing has changed.

Anyone know what the hell it could be?
post #312 of 13986
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Originally Posted by znutz View Post

Looked it up. It is absolutely dithering! Thanks for that. I figured it was part of the plasma technology and just wanted to be sure. It isn't noticeable unless my eyeball nearly touches the screen.

Gives me peace of mind.

I know I am a little biased, but everything considered, the VT60 might be the "perfect" TV we all thought wasn't possible.

Try Cinema or Home Cinema modes to see if the dithering is reduced. But also check the black bars of a 2.40:1 movie to see if the black levels change. On the VT50, Cinema mode had greatly reduced dithering, but the black levels were significantly worse. I looked at a VT60 yesterday that was in Cinema mode and the black levels appeared to be very very good, so maybe this year it's possible to get reduced dithering while keeping the black levels low.
post #313 of 13986
There are different theories, like that it is from some kind of rollers that the panels roll on or something leaving these bands on the glass. I am not sure but on my 65vt50 it got worse over time and Panasonic ended up giving me an in store credit. Some people say their tv doesn't have it but all of mine had it to a certain degree. This is what my 65VT50 looked like, but the picture is enhanced to bring it out more for Panasonic to see. I think it something with the filter or coating or something.


post #314 of 13986
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post


Anyone know what the hell it could be?
IMO it's not affecting anything i see..so unless it is .i think it's talk.....Not an issue. I see it,but it's not there in content watching.smile.gif
post #315 of 13986
Black bar on rightside of my 65vt50 that is.....
post #316 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

When are the 55" going to be showing up???

Jeez, I got money burning a hole in my pocket! smile.gif
This week...........
post #317 of 13986
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Originally Posted by superbooga View Post

Try Cinema or Home Cinema modes to see if the dithering is reduced. But also check the black bars of a 2.40:1 movie to see if the black levels change. On the VT50, Cinema mode had greatly reduced dithering, but the black levels were significantly worse. I looked at a VT60 yesterday that was in Cinema mode and the black levels appeared to be very very good, so maybe this year it's possible to get reduced dithering while keeping the black levels low.

Thanks. I'll give this a try and report back.
post #318 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Any news on the 55"?
'

A guy at BestBuy told me today that they have 150 at their warehouse and would be in the store either Wednesday or Friday.
post #319 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

This week...........

Wow...and the 60ST60 is still like some rare breed that's hardly been seen. Panny is gonna make those of us who pre-ordered that one wait till after the ZT60 at this rate!

(Not that bad though, since it gives me a chance to consider a set like a VT60...)
post #320 of 13986
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Originally Posted by cadett View Post

It is on the 60ST60 that I have.

Does it look like Tommy's posted pix? How obvious is it during actual programming?
post #321 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Wow...and the 60ST60 is still like some rare breed that's hardly been seen. Panny is gonna make those of us who pre-ordered that one wait till after the ZT60 at this rate!

(Not that bad though, since it gives me a chance to consider a set like a VT60...)
That is interesting is it not......... I think the TC-P60ST60 is under priced and a great value.........
post #322 of 13986
Do we have any reviews of the VT60 yet? Wondering if it's going to best the ST60 by enough to challenge the F8500.
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For those not opposed to Best Buy, the TC-P55VT60 is now available at Best Buy. At least in the Dallas, TX area.
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I saw the 60VT60 on display at my local Best Buy. While I never would buy a display because of it, aesthetically it was impressive. The thin bezel and silver stand gave the display a really nice look.
post #325 of 13986
Well my 60" vt60 showed up today from eastcoasttvs, granted whether I like it or not (which is to be determined) I got a good price for the plasma and I am stuck with it. So far I am pleased, my first impression was "dang this plasma is heavy" powered it on, went through the initial setup, and starting playing Secondhand Lions, which I immediately noticed the "Soap Opera effect" was on by default, I quickly toggled that off, and so far so good. A comment about the reseller, because of the backlash myself and another forum user were getting; you definitely get the pressure sale when calling on the phone (but they can beat the online price when calling) overall I'm satisfied with the online retailer, you just have to accept the fact that they are trying to "sell" even though its irritating to be "sold" on anything.
Edited by Irwin M Fletche - 4/23/13 at 8:24pm
post #326 of 13986
i went to best buy to see the vt60 and it was below one of panasonics led and next to a sharp led and the new samsung plasma, and out of all of them it was the dullest tv i ever seen in my life. i heard so much great things about this tv from reviews. i dont know if best buy did anything to the tv to make it look like that, but it was in a really dark room and it wasn't even bright at all, it was so dull. ive seen users that posted some pics of the vt60 and it looks good, but what i saw at best buy im having my doubts about the vt60 now.
post #327 of 13986
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i went to best buy to see the vt60 and it was below one of panasonics led and next to a sharp led and the new samsung plasma, and out of all of them it was the dullest tv i ever seen in my life. i heard so much great things about this tv from reviews. i dont know if best buy did anything to the tv to make it look like that, but it was in a really dark room and it wasn't even bright at all, it was so dull. ive seen users that posted some pics of the vt60 and it looks good, but what i saw at best buy im having my doubts about the vt60 now.

I actually got to see the VT60 today it was on a stand and the F8500 was diagonal to it. I was able to get a remote for both sets, so I just changed the modes to see what the difference would be. The VT60 was set up in THX cinema which did make it look "dim" compared to the LCD sets and the F8500 that was in Dynamic. When I switched the F8500 to Movie mode it was MUCH more equal ground as far as brightness goes for both sets. The F8500 however was able to get "brighter" and more closely match the LCDs around it when in Dynamic even when the VT60 was in Vivd mode it still didnt match up, but I didnt go beyond the base modes to check anything so thats really in conclusive.

They both looked very good but unfortunately the VT60 wouldnt read the files of the 2 USB sticks I brought with test materia so I was only really able to see the feed they had running which was "basic loops"...Ill have to go back hopefully this weekend to test out teh VT60 more, if anyone knows why I wasnt able to access the USB sticks I would appreciate it. The set DID see them as when I went into the options and the USB I was able to "eject" them, but otherwise was unable to select an imput or settings that would allow me to get to the videos on them.....Still undecided as far as sets go and the VT60 is still in the running, but I was dissapointed that I couldnt get the videos to work...
post #328 of 13986
Another good thing about the VT60 is that I don't hear that high pitch buzz which seems to be inherent to the Samsung 8K series plasma (the primary reason I didn't keep the Samsung) Also I'm keeping my video mode on "Cinema" during the break-in period, which was suggested by the Panasonic support representative I chatted with. A few hours into watching various content, and the PQ is exceptional to look at, I'm just almost trying to find shows I would not usually watch just to continue viewing the VT60.
post #329 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I actually got to see the VT60 today it was on a stand and the F8500 was diagonal to it. I was able to get a remote for both sets, so I just changed the modes to see what the difference would be. The VT60 was set up in THX cinema which did make it look "dim" compared to the LCD sets and the F8500 that was in Dynamic. When I switched the F8500 to Movie mode it was MUCH more equal ground as far as brightness goes for both sets. The F8500 however was able to get "brighter" and more closely match the LCDs around it when in Dynamic even when the VT60 was in Vivd mode it still didnt match up, but I didnt go beyond the base modes to check anything so thats really in conclusive.

They both looked very good but unfortunately the VT60 wouldnt read the files of the 2 USB sticks I brought with test materia so I was only really able to see the feed they had running which was "basic loops"...Ill have to go back hopefully this weekend to test out teh VT60 more, if anyone knows why I wasnt able to access the USB sticks I would appreciate it. The set DID see them as when I went into the options and the USB I was able to "eject" them, but otherwise was unable to select an imput or settings that would allow me to get to the videos on them.....Still undecided as far as sets go and the VT60 is still in the running, but I was dissapointed that I couldnt get the videos to work...


when i saw the vt60 at bb they were playing the batman movie (with jokers robbing a bank) and it was one of the most clean, crisp, smooth displays i've ever seen. the reality of the image was staggering causing me to just gawk at the beauty of it. now diagonally up from that was the f8500 being fed the common cable feed and that made the picture look really bad. i mean annoyingly so. the setting was in a dimmer magnolia section.

goes to show the feed makes a huge difference.

i'm not making any final conclusions based on what i saw but it does leave a big impression if you don't know what you're looking for.
post #330 of 13986
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Originally Posted by bosng View Post

when i saw the vt60 at bb they were playing the batman movie (with jokers robbing a bank) and it was one of the most clean, crisp, smooth displays i've ever seen. the reality of the image was staggering causing me to just gawk at the beauty of it. now diagonally up from that was the f8500 being fed the common cable feed and that made the picture look really bad. i mean annoyingly so. the setting was in a dimmer magnolia section.

goes to show the feed makes a huge difference.

i'm not making any final conclusions based on what i saw but it does leave a big impression if you don't know what you're looking for.

I agree they were both showing the "cable" loop which really isnt cable, just an internal loop feed. The setup was the same in the store I went to. I ahd a USB stick with multiple clips so I could test the dispalys out, btu wwas only able to work with the F8500. I am hoping someone here knows whats going on with the USB stick reading so when I go back (maybe this weekend) I can actually watch some of the USB content on it. As I said it wasnt really a fair comparison because I wasnt able to get the USB content to work AND they had the F8500 on Dynamic vs the VT60 THX Cinema.

Anyone out there know the trick for USB media? The sticks are NTFS formatted ones a 16GB the other is an 8GB, I was able to eject them from the settings menu, but was unable to find the location where I could switch the input to the USB sticks, (bringing up the input menu did not work)....Thank you to anyone that knows what to do.
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