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post #3211 of 13986
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

I never said the problem didn't exist. I just don't agree every set has the issue. There's members here and HDJ that don't and they all have different room sizes, acoustics, placement, etc. It is the "luck of the draw", just like screen uniformity... Some are bad and some are just fine.

Just as a rule fans make different amounts of noise. I can't count the number of CPU and case fans I've used over the years (built a number of desktop PCs for other people on top of the ones I've owned) and it's not uncommon to run into a bad one that makes more noise than the others. They're also guaranteed to wear out and start making horrible noises (or stop entirely) someday even if they're quiet now, so I certainly hope they're easy to replace standard fans. Basically if you go out and buy 50,000 CPU or case fans some of them are going to make annoying noises.

Which brings me to my actual point: Has anyone investigated what specific types of fans are in the VT60 and how they're mounted? I'd hope that they're easy to replace common parts since they are going to die eventually (and paying a repair guy to replace a $4 plastic fan isn't exactly sensible). Anyone done a fan replacement on an older Panasonic model (not sure which ones actually have fans; my GT50 doesn't)?
post #3212 of 13986
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Lol buyers remorse nothing like making things up as you go along

And now he decides to tell people on an enthusiast Web site - in the VT60 thread - how they should spend their money and not buy the VT60.

In his case, it's evident he wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a lot of displays. He's better off shopping at Walmart for a budget 1080p LED for the best bang for the buck.

Of course, he could just wait for SED. lol
post #3213 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

To the contrary, if anything, I want you show that the VT60 is truly better so that folks won't have to deal with so much buyers remorse. The goal in A/V should always be about the most bang for the buck, otherwise you are needlessly throwing away money.

Bang fot the buck is not always my goal. Look at my stereo components. Bang for the buck is relative and very few would consider, say, the Cary 306 a great value. But I do. I understand what it does well and I use it in a system with components of a siliar pedigree. And please, worry about your own money. Not mine.
post #3214 of 13986
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

look at the sets in the picture. The ZT and VT are off to me. Maybe due to the brightness level?

Did you change your medication? Last month you spent time on the 8500 forum trashing owners of it, saying how great your VT was. Now your over here doing the same thing. We get it, you need validation of your purchase by trashing anything else. So enjoy your 8500, it's a great display. We will continue to enjoy our Panasonics. Can you respect that or are you trying to get banned from another AVS thread? Maybe by August the VT will be your favorite again. No winners or losers, just some really good options for those looking to buy a plasma this year.
post #3215 of 13986
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Originally Posted by CSIG1001 View Post

Here is a good example why the F8500 is great in all lighting conditions vs the VT60

F8500 on left VT60 on right

Nice reflection .. I dont even need to use the bathroom mirror anymore

IS it just me or is something wrong with panasonics skin tons
dont look normal vs all the other sets

btw look at the awful glare/reflection on the VT60 in the skin tone pic

Do yourself a favor and don't go by a picture to judge a display. imo both look bad, and I would never have a display that looked like those two pictures.

Here are the facts,
For use in a fairly bright room get a 8500, for controlled room lighting get a VT60.
Constant low light level on the VT60 is about .0012fl once calibrated, max light output for a reference calibration is somewhere in the range of 35fl. However for a dark room you may want to lower that to about 32fl because of eye strain. There really is not much weakness in the Gamut (blue being a little low for Lum).

Fan noise is not really a problem for a normal room with good ventilation around the VT60.

Motion on a VT60 is very good both for 2D Blu Ray and 3D Blu Ray. .

Using a small pattern window (non APL about 2%) setting your meter off screen and reading all of the inside of the pattern window will reduce APL greatly.

Staying within the boundaries of this display you will find it to be very satisfying when used reference video like Blu Ray.
On a side note why I use the word boundaries/limitations. Of-course all TV's have there boundaries but as long as you stay within what I have laid out and your calibrator knows what he/she are doing you should find that the Blu Ray movies that you view will be pretty close to how it was mastered.
That said, out of the box settings are pretty darn good.

This is the calibration equipment I am biasing my statements on.
I use a K10-A meter, Lightspace Home calibration software and Calman pro to set my pre calibration settings.My calibrations are very large LUT cube type of calibration. 4913 points as opposed to a normal calibration of 6 points of color. .I also have a dB meter for the fan noise.

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post #3216 of 13986
Buy what fits your needs, no need to trash any brand.
post #3217 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

Someone posted that these $20 samsung work with our tv. I have not tried them yet, looks like the reviews mention they work with panasonic too

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SSG-5100GB-3D-Active-Glasses/dp/B00BIP816Q/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1K5X28ZHSELG1&coliid=I1JVG384I0UHTX

Thanks! I saw that link. Strongly considering picking those up fpr $20 a pop, but as stupid as it sounds i don't want to mix and match Samsung glasses with my VT60 and i feel it would be "more official" (LOL) with Panasonic 3D glasses...but it's hard to argue with the $20 price tag.
post #3218 of 13986
I apparently posted on wrong thread. So.......Everyone with the VT60. DO you notice the constant brightness/flickering during say, hockey games or maybe basketball games?
Second major problem (doesn't matter weather it's tv show, rented movie or dvd).........during dark scenes the dark portions of picture can take on an ultra grainy look. So bad that some times you can't see the object under the grain. You see the manager at the store that I bought the TV from when I've inquired about this, has now told me I'm too picky! And as calm as I am, he has promoted me to the bitch customer. Says no one else has called with these issues. Does anyone else notice things like this? The TV just can't keep a consistant picture between normal bightness and darkness.
Thanks.......
post #3219 of 13986
440Michael, the two threads that you started about these issues have been replied to and you were given the reasons as to why you're experiencing them.
post #3220 of 13986
Solid deals starting today at Magnolia, keep an eye out...
post #3221 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Eddie Arkadian View Post

Thanks! I saw that link. Strongly considering picking those up fpr $20 a pop, but as stupid as it sounds i don't want to mix and match Samsung glasses with my VT60 and i feel it would be "more official" (LOL) with Panasonic 3D glasses...but it's hard to argue with the $20 price tag.
The Samsung glasses work fine with my VT60, but they don't look as good as the Panasonics and the arms/stems cannot be folded-in on the Samsungs. That said, I'm satisfied with the Samsung glasses.
post #3222 of 13986
3D! I was pleasantly surprised by the 3D performance of my VT60. My Comcast on demand library has a few 3D movies so I thought let me give those a try and I was impressed by how clean the 3D looked. I tried a couple of animation (Madagascar 3, Kung Fu Panda 2) and also Amazing Spider-Man and MIB 3. I could almost not spot any crosstalk in all but MIB3 (where I could spot almost in every scene with the Agents on their suite/shirt/tie area). I used the thx 3d mode with motion smoother set to mid and I found that worked the best. I had to of course view in the night and had to turn off every little source of light to get the best effect. It looks like its worth getting another couple of pair of glasses and a 3D blu ray player to have once in a while 3D fun with this TV.
post #3223 of 13986
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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

I am going to get it exchanged and I sincerely hope the next one I get doesn't have this loud fan noise that my current one does. I really want to stick with the VT just for the amazing PQ. Fingers crossed ...

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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

3D! I was pleasantly surprised by the 3D performance of my VT60. My Comcast on demand library has a few 3D movies so I thought let me give those a try and I was impressed by how clean the 3D looked. I tried a couple of animation (Madagascar 3, Kung Fu Panda 2) and also Amazing Spider-Man and MIB 3. I could almost not spot any crosstalk in all but MIB3 (where I could spot almost in every scene with the Agents on their suite/shirt/tie area). I used the thx 3d mode with motion smoother set to mid and I found that worked the best. I had to of course view in the night and had to turn off every little source of light to get the best effect. It looks like its worth getting another couple of pair of glasses and a 3D blu ray player to have once in a while 3D fun with this TV.

So did you get the replacement tv then?
post #3224 of 13986
hi guys i have the 65-VT60 just under 100 hours using the break in slides last night i came home to find that i thought there was a bug on the screen till i got up close and found it to be a bad pixel. is the to soon for pixels to be going out? is this something i should have the set changed out? it does it on all color's not just red here is a pick what do you guys think should be done?

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post #3225 of 13986
Sorry if I missed this in the thread, the search features here leave much to be desired.

Does anyone have some self-calibration settings they can share? Has anyone found the CNET settings to work well?

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-592352/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-picture-settings/

Thanks in advance.
post #3226 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Rpezz50 View Post

hi guys i have the 65-VT60 just under 100 hours using the break in slides last night i came home to find that i thought there was a bug on the screen till i got up close and found it to be a bad pixel. is the to soon for pixels to be going out? is this something i should have the set changed out? it does it on all color's not just red here is a pick what do you guys think should be done?

If it bothered me during normal viewing, I would definitely exchange it. For example, I had a Sony LCD with a single bright green subpixel 10 inches or so from the top left corner that was visible from 8 feet when something dark was behind it, like a dark head of hair. The online Sony Store replaced the set with very little hassle.

The good thing about pixel defects is that it's possible to get a set without any, at least for the 50" models. I've had two 50ST60s and one 50S60, and there were no pixel defects. OTOH, they all buzzed about the same, had about the same rainbow effect, line bleed, and so forth.
post #3227 of 13986
Ok
Edited by Rpezz50 - 7/10/13 at 9:29am
post #3228 of 13986
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Originally Posted by sawfish View Post

If it bothered me during normal viewing, I would definitely exchange it. For example, I had a Sony LCD with a single bright green subpixel 10 inches or so from the top left corner that was visible from 8 feet when something dark was behind it, like a dark head of hair. The online Sony Store replaced the set with very little hassle.

The good thing about pixel defects is that it's possible to get a set without any, at least for the 50" models. I've had two 50ST60s and one 50S60, and there were no pixel defects. OTOH, they all buzzed about the same, had about the same rainbow effect, line bleed, and so forth.

I can't see it when watching Normal TV content but man when I run the slides just that 1 pixel shows bad. But this seems to soon for the TV to be Losing pixels.
post #3229 of 13986
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Originally Posted by 440michael View Post

I apparently posted on wrong thread. So.......Everyone with the VT60. DO you notice the constant brightness/flickering during say, hockey games or maybe basketball games?
Second major problem (doesn't matter weather it's tv show, rented movie or dvd).........during dark scenes the dark portions of picture can take on an ultra grainy look. So bad that some times you can't see the object under the grain. You see the manager at the store that I bought the TV from when I've inquired about this, has now told me I'm too picky! And as calm as I am, he has promoted me to the bitch customer. Says no one else has called with these issues. Does anyone else notice things like this? The TV just can't keep a consistant picture between normal bightness and darkness.
Thanks.......

I was having the same issue with mine it was Flickering Brightness when I first got the TV. It seemed to stop when it got more hours on the TV. How long have you had it for?
post #3230 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Rpezz50 View Post

hi guys i have the 65-VT60 just under 100 hours using the break in slides last night i came home to find that i thought there was a bug on the screen till i got up close and found it to be a bad pixel. is the to soon for pixels to be going out? is this something i should have the set changed out? it does it on all color's not just red here is a pick what do you guys think should be done?

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Well Best Buy said to come in to set up an exchange so well see.
post #3231 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Rpezz50 View Post

I can't see it when watching Normal TV content but man when I run the slides just that 1 pixel shows bad. But this seems to soon for the TV to be Losing pixels.
It's not unheard of for factory defects to manifest in this way, but since you know where it is, there is the potential for it to drive you nutty trying to see it on regular content (speaking from personal experience here).
post #3232 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Rpezz50 View Post

hi guys i have the 65-VT60 just under 100 hours using the break in slides last night i came home to find that i thought there was a bug on the screen till i got up close and found it to be a bad pixel. is the to soon for pixels to be going out? is this something i should have the set changed out? it does it on all color's not just red here is a pick what do you guys think should be done?

I'm not big on nit-picky reasons for returning TVs (cosmetic issues with body or whatever non-panel issues people might run into), but I would always return a display for dead pixels if I could. If you can't get an exchange as defective from whoever you purchased from (a lot of companies still don't consider dead pixels defective unless there are more than a certain number) you can always return it and just get another one, assuming it's within the return period. Hopefully they'll just swap it for you, as we're talking about a $3000+ display which should not have any major screen defects.

This is actually one reason break-in really is a good idea; most failures in electronics are in the first hours, so getting those out of the way while the TV is still returnable is a good idea. And to your question about it being "too early," my opinion is that for plasma any time is too early for pixels to be dying. The individual pixels shouldn't start dying during the early life of a panel rated for a 100,000 hour half-life. From everything I've heard the dead pixel rate on Panasonics is extremely low, so you're almost certain to get a replacement set with all working pixels.
post #3233 of 13986
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Originally Posted by headlesschickens View Post

I'm not big on nit-picky reasons for returning TVs (cosmetic issues with body or whatever non-panel issues people might run into), but I would always return a display for dead pixels if I could. If you can't get an exchange as defective from whoever you purchased from (a lot of companies still don't consider dead pixels defective unless there are more than a certain number) you can always return it and just get another one, assuming it's within the return period. Hopefully they'll just swap it for you, as we're talking about a $3000+ display which should not have any major screen defects.

This is actually one reason break-in really is a good idea; most failures in electronics are in the first hours, so getting those out of the way while the TV is still returnable is a good idea. And to your question about it being "too early," my opinion is that for plasma any time is too early for pixels to be dying. The individual pixels shouldn't start dying during the early life of a panel rated for a 100,000 hour half-life. From everything I've heard the dead pixel rate on Panasonics is extremely low, so you're almost certain to get a replacement set with all working pixels.

That's what I was thinking I just left best buy they will give me a new set next week and I also got $600 back due to being on sale so maybe it was a good thing I went back. And your right if I didn't do the break in slides I wouldn't have seen the issues that's why I run it for 100 hours to make sure I don't have any issues before the 2 weeks exchange window is gone. And I don't nit-pick but like you said when its the panel you need to get on it ASAP. And I felt it was to soon for a pixels to be going out and so didn't best buy. I just hope I don't get a set that is loud like others have because the set I have now is very quite.
post #3234 of 13986
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post


So did you get the replacement tv then?
No, not yet.
post #3235 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Rpezz50 View Post

I was having the same issue with mine it was Flickering Brightness when I first got the TV. It seemed to stop when it got more hours on the TV. How long have you had it for?

Michaels issue is a non issue regarding "brightness pops". He's been shown and informed its the flash strobes at nba and nhl games that he's seeing. He just won't accept that answer.
post #3236 of 13986
Just out of curiousity does anyone know what the contrast setting in THX cinema would be on a 65 in. VT to reach the THX goal of 35 ft. lamberts? Many online reviews are giving these sets between 29-33 ft. lamberts in the THX Cinema mode with the contrast set at 60. I have used the Cnet settings and I prefer the THX cinema mode due to the higher gamma. Switching the gamma in the Cnet setting to 2.4 and pumping the contrast up in THX Cinema give an almost identical picture. Many reviews of the ST have already stated that in Cinema mode 2.4 gamma is actually a lot closer to 2.2.
post #3237 of 13986
hi guys,

I want to run slides on my new VT60 when it arrives, where can i obtain these slides?

EDIT:
are these the correct slides?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread

Thanks!
Edited by Eddie Arkadian - 7/10/13 at 2:43pm
post #3238 of 13986
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Just out of curiousity does anyone know what the contrast setting in THX cinema would be on a 65 in. VT to reach the THX goal of 35 ft. lamberts? Many online reviews are giving these sets between 29-33 ft. lamberts in the THX Cinema mode with the contrast set at 60. I have used the Cnet settings and I prefer the THX cinema mode due to the higher gamma. Switching the gamma in the Cnet setting to 2.4 and pumping the contrast up in THX Cinema give an almost identical picture. Many reviews of the ST have already stated that in Cinema mode 2.4 gamma is actually a lot closer to 2.2.

I was getting 33.9 ftl (APL window) with contrast at 58 in THX Cinema if I am recalling correctly.
post #3239 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Eddie Arkadian View Post

are these the correct slides?

Yes. But D-Nice has yet to post settings. Slides might be a good way to get hours on the panel, but they are intended to prep a panel exactly as D-Nice does and then theoretically his settings post-calibration will be closer to his result than otherwise.

My VT60 was recently calibrated by ChadB and I'll no longer buy a new panel unless I leave a budget for calibration. In other words, I'd buy an ST60 and get it calibrated if paying for a VT60 evaporated my calibration budget.
post #3240 of 13986
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Just out of curiousity does anyone know what the contrast setting in THX cinema would be on a 65 in. VT to reach the THX goal of 35 ft. lamberts? Many online reviews are giving these sets between 29-33 ft. lamberts in the THX Cinema mode with the contrast set at 60. I have used the Cnet settings and I prefer the THX cinema mode due to the higher gamma. Switching the gamma in the Cnet setting to 2.4 and pumping the contrast up in THX Cinema give an almost identical picture. Many reviews of the ST have already stated that in Cinema mode 2.4 gamma is actually a lot closer to 2.2.


A Contrast setting on my 65VT60 of about 65 in the THX Cinema mode yields a peak output of about 35 ftL. Keep in mind that there is enough set-to-set variation so that this is not fixed in stone.

Yes, the default gamma for the THX modes is about 2.2 or even a bit lower. And yes, for the Custom and Pro modes, a Gamma control setting of 2.4 will produce an actual gamma closer to 2.2. Cinema probably behaves the same.

Larry
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