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post #3301 of 14006
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Originally Posted by tom669 View Post

You "don't" get stuck pixels on plasma panels, you can only get dead pixels.
I say don't in quotes because LG had some problems with pixels misfiring ("sparklies effect") but they never got stuck on.
Call it what you want. A dead subpixel if you like. wink.gif That's the best way I could describe the behavior on my Pioneer.
post #3302 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

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Originally Posted by tom669 View Post

You "don't" get stuck pixels on plasma panels, you can only get dead pixels.
I say don't in quotes because LG had some problems with pixels misfiring ("sparklies effect") but they never got stuck on.
I have seen a "few" Pioneer Plasma's that had stuck pixels in the day..........
The day our Kuro was delivered five and a half years ago, one pixel was red regardless of the color of the current source (solid colored slides). The next day it was behaving correctly for each slide. It's still behaving correctly. What was that pixel doing on day one if it wasn't stuck? rolleyes.gif
post #3303 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Rpezz50 View Post

Dead pixel is fixable from service menu - simply switch VSUS option from LOW to HIGH.
That being said if still under warranty and you can afford to fuss around then do so.

I have seen that before what does VSUS stand for?

VSUS represents the sustain voltage applied to the panel. In some cases, switching it from low to high will be enough to "kick" a dead pixel into working -- again, in some cases.

In fact, in some cases if the pixel comes on after setting Vsus to high it is possible to reduce Vsus back to low and the pixel will stay active -- again, in some cases.

Larry
post #3304 of 14006
Sorry i know there is another thread for this , So excuse me..As D-nice was here last week and i DID email him but no response yet..i have 65vt60 cal by him and had oppo-93 at the time he did some changes in that opp0-93 idk what..NOW i have oppo-103 can someone PM what settings to change in it far as video and i also run my cable box thru it...ty in advance smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #3305 of 14006
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

VSUS represents the sustain voltage applied to the panel. In some cases, switching it from low to high will be enough to "kick" a dead pixel into working -- again, in some cases.

In fact, in some cases if the pixel comes on after setting Vsus to high it is possible to reduce Vsus back to low and the pixel will stay active -- again, in some cases.

Larry

I've never seen a transient pixel permanently fixed by a VSUS LOW->HIGH tweak.

I've played around with a few panels and the VAD voltage, which in part determines black level and IR, is the main determining factor in pixel stability. If you are prepared to open your set, the proper solution is to increase the VAD. (Then again I'm not sure if the 2013 panels have any adjustable VAD.)
Edited by tom669 - 7/12/13 at 1:47pm
post #3306 of 14006
I'll be having a VT60 delivered on Tuesday after stumbling across the unexpected sale that Amazon had yesterday.

I was really hoping to get another year out of the Panasonic V10 that I've had for a little under four years. Unfortunately, my experience with the V10 wasn't very good due to the strange black-level issues that plagued their older sets. Since Panasonic wrote it off as "normal" - I've just had to learn to tolerate it - as well as the horrid IR that was visible as a result. Subtitles make me absolutely cringe!

I thought the V10 was going to be my last plasma - assuming that by the present time, full-array local dimming sets would have finally triumphed over plasma technology. I was really on the fence with the Panny vs Sammy plasma debate over which set is currently superior. Fortunately, I've never had a problem with my V10 in my dim living room, so I don't see the VT60 being an issue. I guess in the end for me, blacker blacks are more important than higher light output.

To be honest, I am a little worried about long-term support if Panasonic pulls out of the plasma market next year. I have my extended warranty, which should help me rest easily at night, but I do hope Panasonic decides to keep things going for awhile.
post #3307 of 14006
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Originally Posted by tom669 View Post

I've never seen a transient pixel permanently fixed by a VSUS LOW->HIGH tweak.

I've played around with a few panels and the VAD voltage, which in part determines black level and IR. If you are prepared to open your set, the proper solution is to increase the VAD. (Then again I'm not sure if the 2013 panels have any adjustable VAD.)

Hi, Tom.

Thanks for your input. I have had luck on pre-2012 Panasonic models (and just about all Samsungs) by adjusting VAD to activate a stubborn pixel. I don't yet have a service manual for either the VT50 or VT60 so I can't comment on the availability or not of this analog voltage control on these models..

Thanks again for your knowledgeable input in these threads. It's been invaluable.

Larry
post #3308 of 14006
I'm just fascinated by plasma technology... I only have played with Panasonic 2008 42"/46" FHD panels but they're mostly the same (apart from poorer efficiency and higher black level.)
post #3309 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

Sorry i know there is another thread for this , So excuse me..As D-nice was here last week and i DID email him but no response yet..i have 65vt60 cal by him and had oppo-93 at the time he did some changes in that opp0-93 idk what..NOW i have oppo-103 can someone PM what settings to change in it far as video and i also run my cable box thru it...ty in advance smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
I doubt seriously if D-Nice used any of the video control settings in your OPPO 93. As you know, there are OPPO experts in the OPPO 103 owner's thread.
post #3310 of 14006
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I doubt seriously if D-Nice used any of the video control settings in your OPPO 93. As you know, there are OPPO experts in the OPPO 103 owner's thread.
i said i know there is another thread ..and by D-nice i ment like he changed settings not used it to calibrate Sorry u read or i wrote it wrong my bad. So the other thread might not know wht to my display to turn on or off... like Video Setup and the settings in there like Hdmi options,Resolution,1080p output,etc..I did Email him.But ty for allways answering or directing me..i appreciate it.. Reason i put it in here cause i don't know if setting are different per brand or lcd or plasma so thought if other vt60 owners had oppo-103 could answer again sorry...

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Edited by Denniswrly - 7/12/13 at 5:03pm
post #3311 of 14006
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Originally Posted by alettiere View Post


To be honest, I am a little worried about long-term support if Panasonic pulls out of the plasma market next year. I have my extended warranty, which should help me rest easily at night, but I do hope Panasonic decides to keep things going for awhile.

I wouldn't worry. Panasonic isn't going anywhere. Sure plasma is but the company will be around to honor their warranties. They'd have a lot of legal troubles if they ignored warranties.
post #3312 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

i said i know there is another thread ..and by D-nice i ment like he changed settings not used it to calibrate Sorry u read or i wrote it wrong my bad. So the other thread might not know wht to my display to turn on or off... like Video Setup and the settings in there like Hdmi options,Resolution,1080p output,etc..I did Email him.But ty for allways answering or directing me..i appreciate it.. Reason i put it in here cause i don't know if setting are different per brand or lcd or plasma so thought if other vt60 owners had oppo-103 could answer again sorry...

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D-Nice is in a service business, with a stellar reputation. I am sure he will get back to you via email shortly. Is there something specific that isn't working?
post #3313 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

D-Nice is in a service business, with a stellar reputation. I am sure he will get back to you via email shortly. Is there something specific that isn't working?
No i just had a Bdp-93 when he was here and cal my 65vt60 and now i have the bdp-103 and he changed some settttings in 93 far as video settings not cal video settings so just want to setup my 103 Make since i hope smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #3314 of 14006
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

D-Nice is in a service business, with a stellar reputation. I am sure he will get back to you via email shortly. Is there something specific that isn't working?
No i just had a Bdp-93 when he was here and cal my 65vt60 and now i have the bdp-103 and he changed some settttings in 93 far as video settings not cal video settings so just want to setup my 103 Make since i hope smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
Just use the settings recommended in the OPPO 103 thread. There really aren't TV brand differences for normal operation with either the OPPO 93 or 103 as far as settings go. In some cases there can be a glitch associated with a particular TV, but I don't recall reading any since the VT60 sets came out. D-Nice may have set the OPPO 93 to output 60 Hz which is something recommended inboth of the OPPO threads in a lot of cases.

When contacting D-Nice, it's good to use the subject line to let him know you're a customer. He must get a ton of email. wink.gif
post #3315 of 14006
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Just use the settings recommended in the OPPO 103 thread. There really aren't TV brand differences for normal operation with either the OPPO 93 or 103 as far as settings go. In some cases there can be a glitch associated with a particular TV, but I don't recall reading any since the VT60 sets came out. D-Nice may have set the OPPO 93 to output 60 Hz which is something recommended inboth of the OPPO threads in a lot of cases.

When contacting D-Nice, it's good to use the subject line to let him know you're a customer. He must get a ton of email. wink.gif
OK i will ty:)smile.gif
post #3316 of 14006
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Originally Posted by THANKGOD4PLASMA View Post

Still waiting. Nine days and counting for the 60VT60. Took a week for East Coast tvs just to get it to the shipper! Now it's in AM truckings hands. Looks like the 22nd at the earliest. That's 19 total days, and I paid $99 for the white glove which is supposed to be 7 days!

Call them up and demand a refund of the "white glove express shipping" fee you paid.. In case you didn't know, the delivery method would of been exactly the same wether you paid the $99 or not..
post #3317 of 14006
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Originally Posted by THANKGOD4PLASMA View Post

Still waiting. Nine days and counting for the 60VT60. Took a week for East Coast tvs just to get it to the shipper! Now it's in AM truckings hands. Looks like the 22nd at the earliest. That's 19 total days, and I paid $99 for the white glove which is supposed to be 7 days!

No offense, but how surprised are you?


You should post your experience in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1477270/the-east-coast-tvs-experiment/150#post_23523415
post #3318 of 14006
I don't believe so, but do ay of these TV's support deep color? Setting my Oppo 103 to my 65vt60.
post #3319 of 14006
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Originally Posted by shoresguy View Post

OPPO- COLOR SPACE SETTINGS ON VT60

Hello, all.

I just had ChadB complete a calibration on my 65 inch VT60 (thank you Chad!)

I have an OPPO BDP-103, and here the chroma testing was interesting:

Color space YCbCr 4:2:2 PASSED the Chroma test patterns, and when you put the OPPO in AUTO mode, it is using the 4:2:2 color space.
The PURE MODE on the VT60 will be greyed out and inactive since it is only available in 4:4:4 mode.

When the OPPO was set in YCbCr 4:4:4 color space, the Chroma Zone Plate Pattern FAILED (edges faded to black).
The pattern failed when the VT60 PURE MODE was set to ON or OFF. This is unlike the Panny VT50 which is improved in 4:4:4 color space over 4:2:2.

Adjusting to DEEP COLOR -ON (currently on 30 bit dithered), had no effect on the test patterns, although I know there is controversy whether there is benefit or not.

Although I have not tested it completely, my PS3 also failed chroma testing on YCbCr-SUPERWHITE ON (maybe it is putting out 4:4:4?) on the VT60.
The only way to get the PS3 to fully pass CHROMA testing was on RGB limited color space, but that was only a very cursory evaluation.
Maybe someone with a PS3 wants to try?

Interesting find.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-txp65vt65b-201306273079.htm?page=Performance

A review here with the Oppo-103 and 65VT60 recommends 4:4:4 with 1080p direct off.
post #3320 of 14006
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

I wouldn't worry. Panasonic isn't going anywhere. Sure plasma is but the company will be around to honor their warranties. They'd have a lot of legal troubles if they ignored warranties.
Don't most companies loose billions every year wink.gif That what they say on paper anyway.........
post #3321 of 14006
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Interesting find.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-txp65vt65b-201306273079.htm?page=Performance

A review here with the Oppo-103 and 65VT60 recommends 4:4:4 with 1080p direct off.

Interesting review.

Now, previous Panasonic players that did the chroma processing benefit he referred to (which recommended to set the VT60 to 1080p direct ON) were using the PHL4 chip, but the new Panasonic players for 2013 do not use that chip any longer so it remains to be seen if they can provide that benefit still with the new chip they are using which is the Mediatek.

Note, the BDT500 does have the PHL4 chip and is still be carried by Panasonic despite coming out last year. I believe it's considered their carry-over flagship player.
Edited by DavidHir - 7/13/13 at 10:47am
post #3322 of 14006
I see a strange green push in skin tones in my vt60 when I set it to THX Bright Room. See the two images - the first one is THX bright room and the other custom (which is set to a slightly modified version do cadett plus cnet settings). Do you guys see this kind of skin tone green hue issue - I can now see it pretty much all the time.



post #3323 of 14006
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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

I see a strange green push in skin tones in my vt60 when I set it to THX Bright Room. See the two images - the first one is THX bright room and the other custom (which is set to a slightly modified version do cadett plus cnet settings). Do you guys see this kind of skin tone green hue issue - I can now see it pretty much all the time.




The first looks too yellowish green and the second looks too red.

Yes, the thx modes on mine have a strong color shift as well.
post #3324 of 14006
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Originally Posted by scientifix View Post

I see a strange green push in skin tones in my vt60 when I set it to THX Bright Room. See the two images - the first one is THX bright room and the other custom (which is set to a slightly modified version do cadett plus cnet settings). Do you guys see this kind of skin tone green hue issue - I can now see it pretty much all the time.



Unless your screen and camera are calibrated to D65, we can't really judge by pictures. Not to mention not all video sources are made the same.

Considering you're using modified ST60 settings + cnet's settings on your VT60, I would assume that THX Brightroom is closer to D65. Looking at Chad B's review of the VT60, the THX modes are fairly close without any adjustments. There may or may not actually be a green push, but even if there was, THX Brightroom is probably still closer.
post #3325 of 14006
I agree pics can't necessarily be relied upon for accuracy, but to suggest he's imagining it is a bit unfair. I have noticed it very plainly on the ZT60 as well.
post #3326 of 14006
I didn't say anyone was imagining things. smile.gif I said there may or may not be a green push, but THX mode is probably more accurate than plugging in ST60 settings on a VT60, as in the overall errors are probably lower. Just because it's more accurate doesn't mean there's not a green push... unless the errors are below 2-3%, errors will be visible. Whatever settings are more visually pleasing is another matter.

Assuming the images are an accurate representation of the picture, on my calibrated display, I agree with jconjason's assessment, however the first image looks visually closer to me. But then again, I don't know what film that is so I don't know how it's supposed to look.
Edited by rahzel - 7/13/13 at 2:23pm
post #3327 of 14006
QUESTION:

I'm currently using the CNET settings found here http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-592352/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-picture-settings/

I can't find some settings that the CNET settings call out...

Under MORE DETAIL ADJUSTMENT:
"input signal" - I only see the option for one selection, from 10 to 100 in increments of 10. The CNET settings has many more numbers than that. I also have red/green/blue gain options under input signal level, CNET does not specify these settings.

Any other suggestions? Until I have a pro calibration I will use posted settings. Any other settings I should try besides CNET?
post #3328 of 14006
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

I didn't say anyone was imagining things. smile.gif I said there may or may not be a green push, but THX mode is probably more accurate than plugging in ST60 settings on a VT60, as in the overall errors are probably lower. Just because it's more accurate doesn't mean there's not a green push... unless the errors are below 2-3%, errors will be visible. Whatever settings are more visually pleasing is another matter.

Assuming the images are an accurate representation of the picture, on my calibrated display, I agree with jconjason's assessment, however the first image looks visually closer to me. But then again, I don't know what film that is so I don't know how it's supposed to look.
Sorry for my misinterpretation. wink.gif
post #3329 of 14006
np. smile.gif
post #3330 of 14006
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I agree pics can't necessarily be relied upon for accuracy, but to suggest he's imagining it is a bit unfair. I have noticed it very plainly on the ZT60 as well.

My 2nd unit had the greenish haze on skin tones. The 1st and 3rd did/do not have that. I guess some panels are not calibrated properly.
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