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post #4291 of 13986
Also it seems just about every single freaking TV channel through DIRECTV has static channel identifying images on the screen somewhere. I mean what are you supposed to watch just movies on Showtime, Stars, or something?

Also when you guys say no black bars, you're talking about any movie that has black bars on the top and bottom and also ones that are on the left and right of the picture? Should I just use the aspect ratio and set it on stretch If anything comes on with black bars regardless of where they are located?

How about watching a movie with black bars would that help get rid of that NFL network logo Or would it cause IR Wherever the bars are located and now I would have more than one problem?
Edited by nygiant75 - 8/18/13 at 2:04pm
post #4292 of 13986
Since we are on the image retention subject I have some as well. 65VT60 is about 6 weeks old. It is from my Oppo BDP-103 screen menu as most viewing is from blurays. The Oppo logo is bright white on a black background. I can't dim the screen menu from settings in the player. I just noticed this last night while putting in Disney's WOW calibration disc looking at the Advanced Contrast screen and out of curiosity was flipping through the picture presets and noticed it in vivid mode. Then since I knew it was there I noticed it in the other settings, but was far less perceptible. Cool 2 seems to show the image retention the worst and while Warm 2 hides it the best which is probably why I never noticed it till now. It is also visible in the regular contrast screen and under the purity setting looking at the white screen in the WOW disc. THX Cinema with contrast at 80 is where I watch the set. There probably are a few times when I turned on the player on, got side tracked and put a movie in 20 minutes later, but that is an extreme circumstance. I have never left the menu screen on the set for say 3-4 hours which I would think would be required to cause any type of burn in or image retention. It is the most common static image on my set but usually within 2-4 minutes a disc is inserted and loading in the player.

The Oppo logo isn't seen unless there is a image showing bright whites in the scene and pushing contrast levels. In Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 2 during chapter 22 (the dream sequence) the logo is clearly noticeable for about 3 seconds and then is gone. I picked that scene as it is full of bright whites and although rare I figured the image would show the logo. Another title The Spy Who Loved Me the logo is barely perceptible for a second or two during chapter 3 of the ski chase in the opening, but if you know where to look it is there. The image retention is not noticeable in any other type of content. I ran Disney's Pixel flipper for 4 hours last night till my TV automatically shut off. I am running it again with the TV in Vivid mode as this seems to be where the image retention is the worst. I figured after that run the screen swipe for at least 4 hours. Oddly enough I will be damned if I can see the Oppo logo during the screen wipe.

Any other recommendation? I read in this thread someone ran test slides in Vivid mode and his image retention went away. Otherwise the TV and player were both set up to prevent any accidental long term static images. The TV shuts off in 10 minutes if there is no signal and the player screen saver setting on the player turns off the video output so the screen goes blank.
Edited by PRO-630HD - 8/18/13 at 2:16pm
post #4293 of 13986
Just mix it up and you'll be fine - run the screen wipe for an hour or so after the game. Slides on a USB drive are an easy way to put hours on your display. Be smart for the first few hundred hours or so. I watched what I wanted when I got mine and ran slides or HBO East/West to get the hours up. Enjoy the game and your new VT.
post #4294 of 13986
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Just mix it up and you'll be fine - run the screen wipe for an hour or so after the game. Slides on a USB drive are an easy way to put hours on your display. Be smart for the first few hundred hours or so. I watched what I wanted when I got mine and ran slides or HBO East/West to get the hours up. Enjoy the game and your new VT.
+1
post #4295 of 13986
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Just mix it up and you'll be fine - run the screen wipe for an hour or so after the game. Slides on a USB drive are an easy way to put hours on your display. Be smart for the first few hundred hours or so. I watched what I wanted when I got mine and ran slides or HBO East/West to get the hours up. Enjoy the game and your new VT.

Okay man I appreciate it, like I said it is very hard to see you have to stare at the screen and get the right background color in order to see the NFL network logo.

So from what you were saying and what I have read, once I get up to 100 hours should I change the settings I have on the TV or does it need to be several hundred hours?

Do you think leaving the TV on overnight when I sleep on say a movie channel like stars that does not have the on-screen watermark Identifying the channel be ok? The thing I like about Starz movie channel is they will come up with their logo for like a minute or two and then it goes away for about 20 minutes.
post #4296 of 13986
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post


I've been sick at my stomach all day.
Maybe instead of suffering needlessly you should learn more about IR. smile.gif

It's true that TV channels mostly have fixed image logos. Do you have either a DVD player or a Blu-ray player? As for black bars, they have no effect on retained images because the pixels are not being used in the black bar areas of your screen.

You should also learn about aspect ratios so that you'll understand what the black bars are doing for you.

Aspect Ratios I

Aspect Ratios II

Any danger from black bars would only come about if you constantly watched movies with the same black bars. Over time the black bar area wouldn't age so that at some point those areas would look brighter than the used areas of your screen.

Learn a little, and mix up the things you watch. Everything will be fine. One more thing about IR might be that what you find when you search diligently is not as important as what you notice when you are concentrating on the program or move that you are intending to watch. smile.gif
post #4297 of 13986
I have around 140 hours on my 2 month old VT60 and see no IR nor have i ever on my VT30 or 5020 Kuro.
post #4298 of 13986
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Maybe instead of suffering needlessly you should learn more about IR. smile.gif

It's true that TV channels mostly have fixed image logos. Do you have either a DVD player or a Blu-ray player? As for black bars, they have no effect on retained images because the pixels are not being used in the black bar areas of your screen.

You should also learn about aspect ratios so that you'll understand what the black bars are doing for you.

Aspect Ratios I

Aspect Ratios II

Any danger from black bars would only come about if you constantly watched movies with the same black bars. Over time the black bar area wouldn't age so that at some point those areas would look brighter than the used areas of your screen.

Learn a little, and mix up the things you watch. Everything will be fine. One more thing about IR might be that what you find when you search diligently is not as important as what you notice when you are concentrating on the program or move that you are intending to watch. smile.gif

Thank you very much for your post. Appreciate you taking the time to type all that up and posting those links.

It's just when you spend over $2000 and it's something I've been looking forward to for like two or three years and saving for for at least two years It was just a shock and sickening feeling when I saw something stuck on the screen.

Your post and a couple of the other guys that have posted have relaxed me some. I guess maybe it is ignorance by me which caused a possible overreaction? I just get confused because you read a lot of misinformation and conflicting information while researching the subject of plasma TVs.
post #4299 of 13986
I never had to break in my Kuro...watched football out of the gate and never had a problem
post #4300 of 13986
@nygiant75

You shouldn't stress about it. Worry more about our giants and Eli staying healthy! wink.gif
post #4301 of 13986
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

@nygiant75

You shouldn't stress about it. Worry more about our giants and Eli staying healthy! wink.gif
/Cough RG3 u know this..now back on topic lol eek.gif
post #4302 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

/Cough RG3 u know this..now back on topic lol eek.gif

Come talk to me when he has 2 super bowl rings.
post #4303 of 13986
To anyone that owns this tv, would you reccomend it for an extremly heavy gamer? Hows the input lag?

Im either going to get the 55" vt60, the sony 802 or 900a, or maybe a dt60 from panasonic

Can anyone please point me in the right direction for a 55" gaming tv? I really want the vt60 it looks so nice, but input lag is a big thing for me

And i can really notice ANY input lag, i play on a CRT tv and i can notice the difference from it and a lcd display with an 8ms input lag

Thanks to anyone that can help me, and i really hope the vt60 is a great gaming tv because id love to own one!!!
post #4304 of 13986
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Come talk to me when he has 2 super bowl rings.
2 thats it..i'm sorry ..For HIM..
post #4305 of 13986
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Originally Posted by xxdavid19xx View Post

To anyone that owns this tv, would you reccomend it for an extremly heavy gamer? Hows the input lag?

The input lag is perfectly fine for gaming on the VT. The ST on the hand - not so good.
post #4306 of 13986
Thats what i really like to hear! I know the numbers of input lag i just dont know what was acceptable. The vt60 looks like such a good tv, im happy the input lag isnt too bad

How does this tv fair against something like a sony 802 or 900a? I know they are a different display but they have extremly low lag. I just dont know if the extra lag from the vt60 would be a big difference, but as for picture quality ive heard the vt60 wins hands down
post #4307 of 13986
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Originally Posted by xxdavid19xx View Post

Thats what i really like to hear! I know the numbers of input lag i just dont know what was acceptable. The vt60 looks like such a good tv, im happy the input lag isnt too bad

How does this tv fair against something like a sony 802 or 900a? I know they are a different display but they have extremly low lag. I just dont know if the extra lag from the vt60 would be a big difference, but as for picture quality ive heard the vt60 wins hands down
we play ALOT of Black ops and other games on it and movies ,sports etc THE BEST Go get it ..imo smile.gif
post #4308 of 13986
hi. when i first got my vt60 and hooked the ps3 up to it, by accident i pressed the arrows on the tv remote and the ps3 menu moved. i thought it was weird that i was able to control the ps3 with my new remote since i thought the ps3 didn't have an ir sensor and could only be controlled by bluetooth. anyway, i moved the ps3 back to my bedroom but have since decided to move it back to the living room where the vt60 is but the remote won't control the ps3 anymore. does anyone know how to enable this? i noticed the remote that came with the vt60 has 2 little sensors instead of the usual 1 like every other remote out there. anyone know why this is? does this remote have built in bluetooth or something?

edit:

figured it out. when i first hooked up the ps3 to the tv, i directly connected it via hdmi which enabled the HDAVI feature on the tv. the second time around, i connected it through my av receiver which doesn't support HDAVI feature i suppose. anyone have a receiver that allows this to work? thanks
Edited by soldoutmatinee - 8/18/13 at 7:53pm
post #4309 of 13986
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Since we are on the image retention subject I have some as well. 65VT60 is about 6 weeks old. It is from my Oppo BDP-103 screen menu as most viewing is from blurays. The Oppo logo is bright white on a black background. I can't dim the screen menu from settings in the player. I just noticed this last night while putting in Disney's WOW calibration disc looking at the Advanced Contrast screen and out of curiosity was flipping through the picture presets and noticed it in vivid mode. Then since I knew it was there I noticed it in the other settings, but was far less perceptible. Cool 2 seems to show the image retention the worst and while Warm 2 hides it the best which is probably why I never noticed it till now. It is also visible in the regular contrast screen and under the purity setting looking at the white screen in the WOW disc. THX Cinema with contrast at 80 is where I watch the set. There probably are a few times when I turned on the player on, got side tracked and put a movie in 20 minutes later, but that is an extreme circumstance. I have never left the menu screen on the set for say 3-4 hours which I would think would be required to cause any type of burn in or image retention. It is the most common static image on my set but usually within 2-4 minutes a disc is inserted and loading in the player.

The Oppo logo isn't seen unless there is a image showing bright whites in the scene and pushing contrast levels. In Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 2 during chapter 22 (the dream sequence) the logo is clearly noticeable for about 3 seconds and then is gone. I picked that scene as it is full of bright whites and although rare I figured the image would show the logo. Another title The Spy Who Loved Me the logo is barely perceptible for a second or two during chapter 3 of the ski chase in the opening, but if you know where to look it is there. The image retention is not noticeable in any other type of content. I ran Disney's Pixel flipper for 4 hours last night till my TV automatically shut off. I am running it again with the TV in Vivid mode as this seems to be where the image retention is the worst. I figured after that run the screen swipe for at least 4 hours. Oddly enough I will be damned if I can see the Oppo logo during the screen wipe.

Any other recommendation? I read in this thread someone ran test slides in Vivid mode and his image retention went away. Otherwise the TV and player were both set up to prevent any accidental long term static images. The TV shuts off in 10 minutes if there is no signal and the player screen saver setting on the player turns off the video output so the screen goes blank.

To me 80 contrast sounds kind of like torch mode. My trying to be safe settings are THX Cinema, contrast 40 brightness -4, sharpness 0, everything off and everything else pretty much default. Will run like that for first 300 hours, given what's been said here. Maybe at some point before then pop in a calibration disk and adjust the color / tint, though mostly they seem ok for the time being. Also, screen savers on all my toys are set to kick in pretty quickly. (I have a zt60 fwiw.)
post #4310 of 13986
Damn the black bars on my VT60 is really black!
post #4311 of 13986
^you won't see that in the plasma world very often; you're lucky!
post #4312 of 13986
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

^you won't see that in the plasma world very often; you're lucky!

I know. I'm glad that Panasonic has really catch up to the Pioneer Kuros this year. Too bad they won't be any better in terms of picture quality they decided to shift their R and D to OLED.
post #4313 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AuDiOBoY529 View Post

I know. I'm glad that Panasonic has really catch up to the Pioneer Kuros this year. Too bad they won't be any better in terms of picture quality they decided to shift their R and D to OLED.

Who said they wont be better in 2014?
post #4314 of 13986
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Who said they wont be better in 2014?

Well it makes sense since the stop their R and D. What are you proposing?
post #4315 of 13986
On the subject of lag during games, I have a 60VT60 hooked up to my Xbox 360 and I do notice a bit of lag when playing fast games like Black Ops 2 - it feels a bit sluggish when running around and aiming. So I have to go into the menus and turn on Game Mode in the TV and this makes a noticeable improvement in the lag situation. I wish that setting could somehow be programmed into a macro to happen automatically when I change inputs with my Harmony One.
post #4316 of 13986
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

Thank you very much for your post. Appreciate you taking the time to type all that up and posting those links.

It's just when you spend over $2000 and it's something I've been looking forward to for like two or three years and saving for for at least two years It was just a shock and sickening feeling when I saw something stuck on the screen.
Your post and a couple of the other guys that have posted have relaxed me some. I guess maybe it is ignorance by me which caused a possible overreaction? I just get confused because you read a lot of misinformation and conflicting information while researching the subject of plasma TVs.
That is what forum are all about, a ease of mind. Can find one on most topics now a days.........
post #4317 of 13986
Just ordered a 65VT60 from Paul's TV. They matched their great price from a couple of weeks ago smile.gif. I didn't think I would be coming back to the plasma camp, but 2 sharp elite sets later, I think it's my only option. I am still worried with regards to IR compared to my old Kuro, but I am going to keep positive about it.
post #4318 of 13986
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Originally Posted by SrValasco View Post

On the subject of lag during games, I have a 60VT60 hooked up to my Xbox 360 and I do notice a bit of lag when playing fast games like Black Ops 2 - it feels a bit sluggish when running around and aiming. So I have to go into the menus and turn on Game Mode in the TV and this makes a noticeable improvement in the lag situation. I wish that setting could somehow be programmed into a macro to happen automatically when I change inputs with my Harmony One.

What is the negative to just leaving game mode on all the time?
post #4319 of 13986
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Originally Posted by fmalczewski View Post

To me 80 contrast sounds kind of like torch mode. My trying to be safe settings are THX Cinema, contrast 40 brightness -4, sharpness 0, everything off and everything else pretty much default. Will run like that for first 300 hours, given what's been said here. Maybe at some point before then pop in a calibration disk and adjust the color / tint, though mostly they seem ok for the time being. Also, screen savers on all my toys are set to kick in pretty quickly. (I have a zt60 fwiw.)

So I thought it was 100 hours to keep the settings conservative?

So is it;

1. keep settings conservative like listed above for 300 hours (mine are similar but contrast is 50 and everything else at 0 and THX Cinema)
2. Have set calibrated at 300 hours or above
3. Now after completing steps 1 and 2, I am ok with IR from tv watching with onscreen logos or what?

I really really want to see the full potential of this VT 60. Like the amazing colors and getting it brighter than I have it now. Doesn't really look any better than my old 2006 720p Hitachi. I know that's because of the conservative settings to help break it in.

I'll be honest, I have not tried looking at the lower right corner to see if it still has the NFL Network name still showing. I'll admit, I'm scared to........

Let me also ask, someone else on here told me that if watching a movie, something without staic images, I can turn up contarst, brightness and color to enjoy the movie. Just turn it back down to the conservative settings in order to watch directv and programing with static images.

When can I keep the settings fixed in a place where they are meant to be? After 300 hours?
Edited by nygiant75 - 8/19/13 at 11:05am
post #4320 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AuDiOBoY529 View Post

Well it makes sense since the stop their R and D. What are you proposing?

Its been stated there will be plasma in 2014 from Panasonic, and that they expect to improve on this years models. Yes, R&D will stop, as will plasma eventually, but doesn't mean they'll put out crap panels.
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