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post #4411 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

I have 88 hours on my VT60. Another member on here said if I am watching content that doesn't have static images that it would be ok to switch from THX Cinema to THX Brightroom. I tried it last night while on a Starz movie channel and it looks better than the THX Cinema to me, not as dark. Anyways I looked at the rest of the general settings while in THX Brightroom and the contrast was automatically set to 100. I assume that's bad or shouldn;t be that high right? Why would that be the default in THX Brightroom? Also, can someone tell me what to adjust the settings to that fall under the THX Brightroom mode such as brightness, color, sharpness and contrast?

By the way, I bet the 2-3 people who have helped me the most respond to this. Pretty funny when there are 1000's of people on this forum. Just an observation by me that's all.

Just keep an eye out for image retention and don't keep it on THX Bright continuously if you are watching material with logos. Static images are the key during your first few hundred hours - smart too avoid long periods with those on your display. When you aren't using the display you can always run slides or set the tv to HBO or another like channel that runs full screen content without logos. As far adjusting your image I would suggest picking up the Disney WOW disk or another self calibration disk of your choice - just google to see your options or search on AVS and you will see a few choices. No one on this thread can calibrate your display for you - we can't see it and they are all slightly different. I highly recommend a pro calibration after you get 300 hours or more on your display, time with a good calibrator will also help you learn more about the technology you now own and how to get the most out of it. You can tweak color, contrast, brightness, temperature and some of the other basic settings to get a picture you think looks the best. I would suggest staying out of the advance settings until you get a disk and spend some time reading on the calibration thread - a lot of information over there and a little reading will help.

I would never restrict who I ask to make suggestions to a post - there are 1000s on this forum including those who calibrate for a living. You never know when one may drop by and offer advice. A lot of very knowledgeable forum members who don't check threads as often as others too.
post #4412 of 14005
I was hoping to have my set from Paul's TV quicker but I guess they don't drop ship from various warehouses in the US. I am used to buying a set from a sponsor or other vendor and them just using the nearest warehouse to deliver it (I normally got my set in 2-3 days). I remember Vanns shipping my 500m a few years ago the same way (from their main office) so it took 4-5 days. I was hoping to get it by tomorrow or Saturday because next week is going to be busy for me (work and kids starting school).
post #4413 of 14005
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Why listen to those of us who have owned plasma a for 8 years or longer and never had an issue with those sucky old ones. Just be smart and enjoy your display. If you look hard enough you can find image retention on a LED or LCD.
That is true, plasma's have been out for a while and no "real big" technology issue's.
post #4414 of 14005
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Just keep an eye out for image retention and don't keep it on THX Bright continuously if you are watching material with logos. Static images are the key during your first few hundred hours - smart too avoid long periods with those on your display. When you aren't using the display you can always run slides or set the tv to HBO or another like channel that runs full screen content without logos. As far adjusting your image I would suggest picking up the Disney WOW disk or another self calibration disk of your choice - just google to see your options or search on AVS and you will see a few choices. No one on this thread can calibrate your display for you - we can't see it and they are all slightly different. I highly recommend a pro calibration after you get 300 hours or more on your display, time with a good calibrator will also help you learn more about the technology you now own and how to get the most out of it. You can tweak color, contrast, brightness, temperature and some of the other basic settings to get a picture you think looks the best. I would suggest staying out of the advance settings until you get a disk and spend some time reading on the calibration thread - a lot of information over there and a little reading will help.

I would never restrict who I ask to make suggestions to a post - there are 1000s on this forum including those who calibrate for a living. You never know when one may drop by and offer advice. A lot of very knowledgeable forum members who don't check threads as often as others too.

Yeah I hear you, I wasn't intending on restricting anyone from commenting. I was kind of being sarcastic.

I did get some IR last Saturday from watcing preseason games on NFL Network. They had that tripleheader last weekend and I watched it all. I noticed later that night that the works NFL NETWORK were stuck on the bottom left of my screen. I almost threw up and started panicing. Some helpful members on here said it was temporary and that watching other channels the next day would help it go away. Sure enough I don't see it anymore.

I just want to get to the point where I don't HAVE TO keep it on THX Cinema mode with the contrast on 25, brightness 0, color 50, tint 0, sharpness 50, color temp normal, vivid color off.

I mean, the above settings aren't terrible, but it's like watching tv with sunglasses on sometimes, especially football games with the bright stadium lights or sun shining. I want it to look "normal" not like a piece of window tint is adhered to the front of my screen, that's all.

I am at 88 hours in 14 days right now.

Also, what about the setting that pop up after you choose THX Brightroom? What do those need to be set to? Like I said, contrast was preset to 100 when I selected THX Brightroom. I assume that's bad regardless if its a new set or one with 1000 hours.
post #4415 of 14005
Tomorrow BB will deliver my vt60 tomorrow And it looks like i have allot of suggestions to review here. I will not name any price but my particular magnolia matched Paulstv so i guess it depends who you run into or were you go.

The 8500 really was in the run. Super bright but i loved the vt natural look and although far from the brightest its is bright enough. Hope i get a good no fan issue.
post #4416 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

Yeah I hear you, I wasn't intending on restricting anyone from commenting. I was kind of being sarcastic.

I did get some IR last Saturday from watcing preseason games on NFL Network. They had that tripleheader last weekend and I watched it all. I noticed later that night that the works NFL NETWORK were stuck on the bottom left of my screen. I almost threw up and started panicing. Some helpful members on here said it was temporary and that watching other channels the next day would help it go away. Sure enough I don't see it anymore.

I just want to get to the point where I don't HAVE TO keep it on THX Cinema mode with the contrast on 25, brightness 0, color 50, tint 0, sharpness 50, color temp normal, vivid color off.

I mean, the above settings aren't terrible, but it's like watching tv with sunglasses on sometimes, especially football games with the bright stadium lights or sun shining. I want it to look "normal" not like a piece of window tint is adhered to the front of my screen, that's all.

I am at 88 hours in 14 days right now.

Also, what about the setting that pop up after you choose THX Brightroom? What do those need to be set to? Like I said, contrast was preset to 100 when I selected THX Brightroom. I assume that's bad regardless if its a new set or one with 1000 hours.

I bought a VT60 back in May and my wife and I began watching it immediately with no changes in our viewing habits. I used THX bright and cinema for a couple of days until I found David K's settings on Cnet and have been using them until I get a calibration next year. I watch a fair amount of sports, espn, network shows, cable, all have logos and tickers. It might be because I really just don't care but I've seen a hint of a logo one time that I can remember in the bottom right corner. Thought to myself, "Oh, look at that." and went back to watching tv and it was gone before I went to bed that evening. I don't put up slides to check my tv but that one instance is the only time I remember seeing anything. As always, your mileage may vary.
post #4417 of 14005
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Originally Posted by richlo View Post

Tomorrow BB will deliver my vt60 tomorrow And it looks like i have allot of suggestions to review here. I will not name any price but my particular magnolia matched Paulstv so i guess it depends who you run into or were you go.

The 8500 really was in the run. Super bright but i loved the vt natural look and although far from the brightest its is bright enough. Hope i get a good no fan issue.

I originally purchased the F8500 and it was a gorgeous picture, but I ended up sending it back to go with a little smaller tv. I ended up getting the VT60 instead (price difference) and I personally think the picture looks better on it than the F8500, but I don't think anyone can go wrong with either one. My tv shows it as a May build and I don't hear any fan noise. Of course I don't hear my wife most of the time as well.
post #4418 of 14005
I'm there with you I don't here my wife either!
post #4419 of 14005
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Originally Posted by kamouflage View Post

I bought a VT60 back in May and my wife and I began watching it immediately with no changes in our viewing habits. I used THX bright and cinema for a couple of days until I found David K's settings on Cnet and have been using them until I get a calibration next year. I watch a fair amount of sports, espn, network shows, cable, all have logos and tickers. It might be because I really just don't care but I've seen a hint of a logo one time that I can remember in the bottom right corner. Thought to myself, "Oh, look at that." and went back to watching tv and it was gone before I went to bed that evening. I don't put up slides to check my tv but that one instance is the only time I remember seeing anything. As always, your mileage may vary.

Wow, I wish I could be as care free as you! Im just an uptight OCD kind of guy and sometimes I hate myself for being like that. I don't know if it's genetic or what but its bad sometimes! I saw some IR like you did in the bottom right and got a nervous sick feeling in my stomach and my whole day was ruined.

I feel like I wasted my money sometimes because I'm treating this tv like it's bomb and if handled incorrectly it's gonna blow! I just want to enjoy a great, somewhat bright clear colorful picture. Since I got it back on 8/7 it's kind of just been a dull, tinted subpar viewing experience. Sometimes I go to the bedroom tv which is a 39" Vizio LED and I think, man, I wish my $2000 plus vt60 tv looked this good.

When you went to THX Brightroom, did you just leave the settings alone that comeup with that? Or, did you dial down contrast and things? When I go to THX Brightroom the settings listed below that have contrast at 100 automatically.
post #4420 of 14005
NYGIANT75 - Maybe the VT or plasma isn't for you. That isn't meant to sound mean, but if you can't enjoy what you have then it might be time to look at a Samsung 8500 which will give you a brighter picture but still carry the risk of image retention or a LED like the Samsung 8000 or 7100 (Vizio has a 80" LED too). The key is to enjoy your display whatever it is, if your this worried about the VT there is nothing wrong with moving on.

On last comment. Remember how many consumers buy plasmas and never venture onto a AV forum, they usually set their display on a mode like THX Bright and just watch, do as they please and enjoy a picture they think looks great. Visiting a forum like this can sometimes do as much harm as good because you start to look for things that you never would have known were there.
post #4421 of 14005
I admit seeing all of these posts about IR is starting to scare me a bit. Coming from a Kuro I never even had to think about IR.

So on that note, past the break in (I read D-Nice's panasonic break in thread), what mode do I use past the 200-300 hour mark? I am probably going to do at least 150 hours on the slides. After that, do I use THX mode for everything? Is the pixel orbitor on in THX mode and should I keep certain settings lower? What about games? Different mode and lower contrast? I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row when it arrives.

I have had primarily plasma for the last 4-5 years but never had to baby one before. I did the 100 hour break in on all my kuro's but nothing after that (treated it like an LCD and had no IR issues at all). I plan on getting it calibrated possibly this year but it would be nice to hear from others on what they use for movies, games, and general tv watching.

Thank in advance!
post #4422 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

Wow, I wish I could be as care free as you! Im just an uptight OCD kind of guy and sometimes I hate myself for being like that. I don't know if it's genetic or what but its bad sometimes! I saw some IR like you did in the bottom right and got a nervous sick feeling in my stomach and my whole day was ruined.

I feel like I wasted my money sometimes because I'm treating this tv like it's bomb and if handled incorrectly it's gonna blow! I just want to enjoy a great, somewhat bright clear colorful picture. Since I got it back on 8/7 it's kind of just been a dull, tinted subpar viewing experience. Sometimes I go to the bedroom tv which is a 39" Vizio LED and I think, man, I wish my $2000 plus vt60 tv looked this good.

When you went to THX Brightroom, did you just leave the settings alone that comeup with that? Or, did you dial down contrast and things? When I go to THX Brightroom the settings listed below that have contrast at 100 automatically.

I've always been of the mindset that if you go looking for problems you will most certainly find them! With that in mind I'd rather enjoy the tv I spent all this money on rather than scrutinizing it. As for THX Brightroom I didn't tweak it at all but the skin tones were waaayyyyy too green so I rarely used it. It did help a ton when the room was so bright accuracy didn't matter very much. I've since gotten used to more accurate flesh tones of the cnet settings so going back is a no go for me. If I were you I'd put the settings at something you like and enjoy it that way, IR be damned. It'll go away and you won't feel like you wasted your money because you enjoy your Vizio more.
post #4423 of 14005
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

NYGIANT75 - Maybe the VT or plasma isn't for you. That isn't meant to sound mean, but if you can't enjoy what you have then it might be time to look at a Samsung 8500 which will give you a brighter picture but still carry the risk of image retention or a LED like the Samsung 8000 or 7100 (Vizio has a 80" LED too). The key is to enjoy your display whatever it is, if your this worried about the VT there is nothing wrong with moving on.

On last comment. Remember how many consumers buy plasmas and never venture onto a AV forum, they usually set their display on a mode like THX Bright and just watch, do as they please and enjoy a picture they think looks great. Visiting a forum like this can sometimes do as much harm as good because you start to look for things that you never would have known were there.

No I hear exactly what you're saying and I appreciate you responding. I don't really have a choice of moving on because I just spent over $2000 less than two weeks ago on this and just had it mounted into brick. Paid to have all the wires concealed as well. Plasma is not new to me I've owned one since 2006. It was a 42 inch Hitachi UltraVision. I never knew this forum existed until a couple of months ago. So when I got that TV I didn't do anything special, I just kept the settings down for like the first 50 hours because I heard thats what you should do. Granted it had nowhere even close to as many settings as this VT 60 has.

Maybe you're right maybe I have read too much into these threads that are created and if I never found this forum I'd be enjoying the TV. Some of the colors and brightness and contrast would be up Instead of having everything so low it looks like I'm watching TV with sunglasses on. It's like I have forced myself into believing if I put it on anything bright I will cause damage. You can see from a few posts up of where my settings are at. If you are able to or anyone else is able to, put yours where I have mine and see what you think. It's just a dull tinted picture.

Should I just keep it in THX cinema mode and just increase contrast brightness and color to my liking And then maybe have it calibrated after 350-400 hours?

I'm just tired of waiting. I've had this TV up for two weeks now and I feel like I'm just teasing myself.
post #4424 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post





I just want to get to the point where I don't HAVE TO keep it on THX Cinema mode with the contrast on 25, brightness 0, color 50, tint 0, sharpness 50, color temp normal, vivid color off.

Is that a typo? 25 contrast? No wonder brightroom looks a lot better...jumping from 25 to 100 will do that. You don't need it THAT low during "break in". 50-60 is perfectly safe.

Ive had a VT25, VT30, VT50 and now the VT60. The first two i babied in regards to IR, i was scared i was going to ruin the set. Once i got the VT50, i decided to just enjoy it and not be as worried. I never got burn in. I did of course get IR, but that's ok....it won't last. My reason for this little story is to let you know, I've been there, i understand your reservations and not wanting to ruin an expensive TV. You won't. After a little time on the set, just sit back and enjoy.
post #4425 of 14005
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Originally Posted by kamouflage View Post

I've always been of the mindset that if you go looking for problems you will most certainly find them! With that in mind I'd rather enjoy the tv I spent all this money on rather than scrutinizing it. As for THX Brightroom I didn't tweak it at all but the skin tones were waaayyyyy too green so I rarely used it. It did help a ton when the room was so bright accuracy didn't matter very much. I've since gotten used to more accurate flesh tones of the cnet settings so going back is a no go for me. If I were you I'd put the settings at something you like and enjoy it that way, IR be damned. It'll go away and you won't feel like you wasted your money because you enjoy your Vizio more.

You know you are right I did go looking for trouble. After reading through these forums I had it on the NFL network for like three hours last Saturday, and I had to strain my eyes to find IR but once I found it I was obsessed with it. Now I am scared of getting it again so it's like I won't even watch an entire football game and that's the main reason I got this TV, to watch football And have a picture so bright clear it feels like you're at the game.
post #4426 of 14005
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

Is that a typo? 25 contrast? No wonder brightroom looks a lot better...jumping from 25 to 100 will do that. You don't need it THAT low during "break in". 50-60 is perfectly safe.

Ive had a VT25, VT30, VT50 and now the VT60. The first two i babied in regards to IR, i was scared i was going to ruin the set. Once i got the VT50, i decided to just enjoy it and not be as worried. I never got burn in. I did of course get IR, but that's ok....it won't last. My reason for this little story is to let you know, I've been there, i understand your reservations and not wanting to ruin an expensive TV. You won't. After a little time on the set, just sit back and enjoy.

No that's not a typo I think if it is in this thread you go back a couple of pages and someone told me 50 Was Way too high I need to dial it down. That's why it is so low.

Thanks for posting I'm glad you know how I feel because you're right, you probably did have the same feelings I'm having now.
post #4427 of 14005
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I admit seeing all of these posts about IR is starting to scare me a bit. Coming from a Kuro I never even had to think about IR.

So on that note, past the break in (I read D-Nice's panasonic break in thread), what mode do I use past the 200-300 hour mark? I am probably going to do at least 150 hours on the slides. After that, do I use THX mode for everything? Is the pixel orbitor on in THX mode and should I keep certain settings lower? What about games? Different mode and lower contrast? I'm just trying to get my ducks in a row when it arrives.

Thank in advance!

After "break in" you can use whichever mode you prefer. Some prefer THX until calibration, some (myself included) use custom and set contrast and brightness with a disc.

You don't need to use different modes, settings for gaming. Some do like the extra brightness and contrast while gaming though, so its up to you.

I believe the orbiter is off/disabled in THX modes. I have it ON in custom. Some say it does nothing, some say it helps reduce IR. Again, preference.

I think you'd be extremely happy with a pro calibration.

Enjoy your excellent TV!
post #4428 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

No that's not a typo I think if it is in this thread you go back a couple of pages and someone told me 50 Was Way too high I need to dial it down. That's why it is so low.

Thanks for posting I'm glad you know how I feel because you're right, you probably did have the same feelings I'm having now.

You might be referring to my post about your sharpness setting of 50 being too high and not going over 25!
post #4429 of 14005
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

You might be referring to my post about your sharpness setting of 50 being too high and not going over 25!

Yeah I think you're right maybe that is it! So keep that sharpness down but the contrast can go up
post #4430 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

Yeah I think you're right maybe that is it! So keep that sharpness down but the contrast can go up

Correct. Just don't push contrast above mid 60s, just yet anyway.
post #4431 of 14005
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

After "break in" you can use whichever mode you prefer. Some prefer THX until calibration, some (myself included) use custom and set contrast and brightness with a disc.

You don't need to use different modes, settings for gaming. Some do like the extra brightness and contrast while gaming though, so its up to you.

I believe the orbiter is off/disabled in THX modes. I have it ON in custom. Some say it does nothing, some say it helps reduce IR. Again, preference.

I think you'd be extremely happy with a pro calibration.

Enjoy your excellent TV!
Pixel orbiter, by logical deduction, would simply make IR/burn-in less intense/defined and cover a broader area. wink.gif
post #4432 of 14005
We aren't very good about changing the channels at my house. I've had HGTV logos show up as stubborn IR on my VT50 from time to time. In all cases I could never see it unless close to the TV, on a gray slide, and moving my head to get a close angle where I could glimpse it.

We didn't break it in and we went straight to THX Brightroom out of the box for day viewing.
post #4433 of 14005
On my 65vt50 and 65vt60 i ran D=nice Slides 24/7 for 6days .then just watch what i wanted and i am enjoying it ..I also Had D-nice calibrate it at 400+ hrs and omg the wait and love i have for this tv Vt60..and sure have many more hours to chill and best PQ imo...i do want to Research and get a Kuro for my bedroom but not sure whAT WAS THE BEST KURO ,MODEL AND YR MADE TO LOOOK FOR AND BUY .. SO to giants felllow chill run slides get hours wayyyy faster so you can chill and enjoy and get it Pro cal and you will b sooooo Much glad you did....i also know know if your movie buff oppo bdp-103 is breathtakeing video and audio some say reference player....smile.gifsmile.gif
post #4434 of 14005
How do you access D-Nice's slides?
post #4435 of 14005
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

How do you access D-Nice's slides?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread
post #4436 of 14005
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

How do you access D-Nice's slides?
You have PM of link
post #4437 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

No that's not a typo I think if it is in this thread you go back a couple of pages and someone told me 50 Was Way too high I need to dial it down. That's why it is so low.

Thanks for posting I'm glad you know how I feel because you're right, you probably did have the same feelings I'm having now.

I recollect responding to someone (else?) who had their contrast at 80 and thinking it was way too high... (Mine's set to 40 fwiw, 10 under default of 50, for the time being. Most things look fine on it (it being a zt60) day or night, will be adjusting it at some point (in a few weeks) using a calibration disc, I'm sure 40 is a bit on the tame side and will get bumped back up at least some.)
post #4438 of 14005
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Originally Posted by fmalczewski View Post

I recollect responding to someone (else?) who had their contrast at 80 and thinking it was way too high... (Mine's set to 40 fwiw, 10 under default of 50, for the time being. Most things look fine on it (it being a zt60) day or night, will be adjusting it at some point (in a few weeks) using a calibration disc, I'm sure 40 is a bit on the tame side and will get bumped back up at least some.)

Yeah I guess during this "break in." The settings need to be conservative. I guess I can handle it for another couple of weeks. I'm just ready for this thing to give me that wow moment where it's like I'm glad I bought it and the picture looks great. As of now my old 2006 Hitachi plasma and my new Visio 39 inch led bedroom TV both look better.

I can say the black level on my VT 60 is very good in comparison to the old plasma. However the color and brightness is not and I guess that's because I have to keep everything down for the first couple hundred hours.
post #4439 of 14005
I tried lowering my contrast to see what you guys are watching and I've got to tip my hat to you good sirs. You have a lot more patience and restraint than I do. There's now way I could spend money like what these TVs cost and handicap it like that. I guess at least once you do get comfortable enough to bump your settings up you'll see how great of a picture this thing is capable of with a few adjustments.
post #4440 of 14005
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Originally Posted by nygiant75 View Post

Yeah I guess during this "break in." The settings need to be conservative. I guess I can handle it for another couple of weeks. I'm just ready for this thing to give me that wow moment where it's like I'm glad I bought it and the picture looks great. As of now my old 2006 Hitachi plasma and my new Visio 39 inch led bedroom TV both look better.

I can say the black level on my VT 60 is very good in comparison to the old plasma. However the color and brightness is not and I guess that's because I have to keep everything down for the first couple hundred hours.

You need to stop being paranoid and enjoy your tv, put in some custom settings and watch a good quality Bluray movie.
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