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post #4891 of 13986
It all depends on perspective whether you want the absolute best out of your set. There is no right answer for everyone IMO

If you are completely satisfied with the cnet settings stick with those but I can guarantee you your greyscale would be improved with a calibration how important that is to you is a personal choice

The Vt60 has all the calibration controls to make it reference if that's what you want
post #4892 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Just for the record. I got mine professionally calibrated and while it was a significant improvement I was certainly not blown away.

From what I have read in reviews that makes sense..it comes pretty close right out of the box. No doubt a calibration helps a bit, but a lot of the improvement some people crow about no doubt comes from the placebo effect to some extent...lol
post #4893 of 13986
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't they been using the same panel the last few years for the 80"? Not sure, they have made no huge PQ gains so I guess in the end if really does not matter.

I cannot believe how much Samsung is charging for the 75" F8000. I had briefly considered both displays as I would love that size, but PQ still matters too much to me, hence, I went with the 65" VT60.
I hear ya on that Samsung, you talk about price gouging. Last years 75ES9000 was a even bigger gouge at $8999. for an edge lit, non 4K panel eek.gif
post #4894 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I hear ya on that Samsung, you talk about price gouging. Last years 75ES9000 was a even bigger gouge at $8999. for an edge lit, non 4K panel eek.gif
Thats insane.
post #4895 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

From what I have read in reviews that makes sense..it comes pretty close right out of the box. No doubt a calibration helps a bit, but a lot of the improvement some people crow about no doubt comes from the placebo effect to some extent...lol
Perhaps. And while Im sure some are wowed there are also some who wouldnt want to admit, even to themselves, that they spent that much money for just a little better picture.
I want to make it clear though that I am not against anyone getting a pro cal. It just doesnt always provide the "wow factor".
post #4896 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

From what I have read in reviews that makes sense..it comes pretty close right out of the box. No doubt a calibration helps a bit, but a lot of the improvement some people crow about no doubt comes from the placebo effect to some extent...lol

These posts are funny. The biggest anti-calibration people are the ones who are the most clueless and ignorant about it as your post shows --- and they have never had it done by a top pro (which excludes Geek Squad who can actually make things worse sometimes).

It depends on how you define "pretty close". I certainly would not call the VT60 pretty close out of the box. A calibration will help significantly...and once you know what accurate color and 6500K grayscale look like as well as other aspects that make up the image, there is no going back to out-of-the-box or shared settings. Ever. I learned this back in 2004 with my CRT RPTV which was pro-cal'd and was the same with other display technologies I owned including an SXRD, ST30 and now VT60.

Furthermore, there is significant drifting with these sets during the first 300 hours and more subtle drifting that always occurs over time. Even if the set was perfect out-of-the-box, it wouldn't last very long.
post #4897 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Perhaps. And while Im sure some are wowed there are also some who wouldnt want to admit, even to themselves, that they spent that much money for just a little better picture.
I want to make it clear though that I am not against anyone getting a pro cal. It just doesnt always provide the "wow factor".

You're missing the point though.

The point is to actually view an image according to how that image is supposed to look like by the content producers whether it be a film director, sports broadcast, or anything else. If you're set is not properly calibrated, you are not seeing how that image is supposed to look. And as I stated in my other post, once you see accurate color, you'll never forget about it and appreciate it. Every time I go to someone else's house as see their display, I cannot help by shake my head only because I am used to see color that is closer to accurate especially on a set like the VT60 which is outstanding and will produce a "wow" image with the proper calibration on the right content.

Furthermore, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why people who spend close to $3000 on a VT60 are so damn cheap not to pay for a $400 calibration. confused.gif It's like buying a race car only to give it the lowest octane gas possible. (Note, I am excluding self-calibrators here and yourself since you said you did have it done, but just making a point in general.)
Edited by DavidHir - 9/20/13 at 8:04am
post #4898 of 13986
I agree really. I paid to get my ST50 calibrated and would not hesitate to do it if I got a VT. But that doesnt mean its worth it to everyone. And as you noted, its value can depend on your viewing habits too. I notice the difference most on blurays. If you watch a crappy source like cable tv 99% of the time then a pro cal doesnt hold as much value either.
post #4899 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I agree really. I paid to get my ST50 calibrated and would not hesitate to do it if I got a VT. But that doesnt mean its worth it to everyone. And as you noted, its value can depend on your viewing habits too. I notice the difference most on blurays. If you watch a crappy source like cable tv 99% of the time then a pro cal doesnt hold as much value either.

In the case of the ST50, while a calibration is still valuable, there is also less potential because it lacks a complete CMS.
post #4900 of 13986
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

In the case of the ST50, while a calibration is still valuable, there is also less potential because it lacks a complete CMS.
True.
post #4901 of 13986
My VT60 should be here Wednesday. Super excited. Of course I'm a little worried about fan noise, but also worried about reflections. My room has a big glass sliding door and big 4 window unit. My tv is in a darker area of the room, so I'm hoping the filter on this sucker will be good enough. Anyone care to share How your VT60 is holding up against reflections?? Thanks.
post #4902 of 13986
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Semp1

Does it do the same with the Panasonic remote?
I honestly couldn't tell you. At this point I'm doing a break in and am at 50 hours of full screen viewing so I'm using the cable remote. It only did it one time so I thought it was just weird. And the only reason I'm not using my receiver is because at the moment it's getting repaired by onkyo.
post #4903 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I agree really. I paid to get my ST50 calibrated and would not hesitate to do it if I got a VT. But that doesnt mean its worth it to everyone. And as you noted, its value can depend on your viewing habits too. I notice the difference most on blurays. If you watch a crappy source like cable tv 99% of the time then a pro cal doesnt hold as much value either.
I agree with both of you (Bond and DavidHir). wink.gif

I've never been blown away by a calibration because I don't know what being blown away means. I have also seen significant improvement after the first calibration of a new set.

Not everyone is concerned about seeing the director's intent when they watch a movie, but for anyone who does have that concern, a quality calibration is worth the cost. The only people I know who are concerned about the director's intent, I've met through AVS. Moving colored pictures seem to satisfy everyone else that I know, including my young wife of fifty years. eek.gif
Edited by htwaits - 9/20/13 at 12:06pm
post #4904 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

My VT60 should be here Wednesday. Super excited. Of course I'm a little worried about fan noise, but also worried about reflections. My room has a big glass sliding door and big 4 window unit. My tv is in a darker area of the room, so I'm hoping the filter on this sucker will be good enough. Anyone care to share How your VT60 is holding up against reflections?? Thanks.

Very interested also. Thinking about switching to a VT 65in from a ZT 60in for about the same price and wondering if I will regret it. I primarily watch in a pretty dark (but not bat cave) and only moderately lit daylight room.

Thanks in advance for any input too.
post #4905 of 13986
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

Very interested also. Thinking about switching to a VT 65in from a ZT 60in for about the same price and wondering if I will regret it. I primarily watch in a pretty dark (but not bat cave) and only moderately lit daylight room.

Thanks in advance for any input too.

Nothing to regret in a dark environment they produce petty much the exact same picture with the ZT only having a better filter for brighter environments.
post #4906 of 13986
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Originally Posted by skoor View Post

Very interested also. Thinking about switching to a VT 65in from a ZT 60in for about the same price and wondering if I will regret it. I primarily watch in a pretty dark (but not bat cave) and only moderately lit daylight room.

Thanks in advance for any input too.
I hate to belabor the point but since you're always watching in a lit room, the ZT would seem to be more suitable for you. wink.gif It's really hard to say without you being able to compare them side-by-side, and that's logistically difficult.

Concerning calibration, I had my last panel (Kuro) pro calibrated within the first year of ownership, and I no longer have that panel now. The ZT60 has not yet been calibrated (per the aforementioned financial reasons, and lots of stuff on the plate at the moment), but I am not really feeling the urgency in doing so as I am quite pleased with the PQ that I've been able to procure so far.
post #4907 of 13986
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Not everyone is concerned about seeing the director's intent when they watch a movie, but for anyone who does have that concern, a quality calibration is worth the cost. The only people I know who are concerned about the director's intent, I've met through AVS. Moving colored pictures seem to satisfy everyone else that I know, including my young wife of fifty years. eek.gif
Im guessing that as long as the tv is big enough that she can see the hockey puck she's OK. wink.gif
post #4908 of 13986
When playing a file over the network using the built in media player, how does the VT60 connect back to an a/v receiver for the Dolby/dts audio stream?

Does it just use the main Hdmi connection that supplies audio and video from the avr to the tv? Or is there some other Hdmi or perhaps optical/coax cable that needs to run separately from the tv to the avr?
post #4909 of 13986
It's called ARC (audio return channel) and has to be supported by the AVR (it uses the same HDMI channel, yes, though I believe you must be using HDMI input #2 on the TV). My receiver doesn't support it (HDMI 1.3, too antiquated), so it's a good thing I have an Oppo that has enough of the Smart features that are available in the Panasonic. smile.gif
post #4910 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Sittler27 View Post

When playing a file over the network using the built in media player, how does the VT60 connect back to an a/v receiver for the Dolby/dts audio stream?

Does it just use the main Hdmi connection that supplies audio and video from the avr to the tv? Or is there some other Hdmi or perhaps optical/coax cable that needs to run separately from the tv to the avr?

As mentioned by Vinnie you can use ARC but there is also SPDIF optical output from the TV. I use this optical output for the smart tv features.

Edit: A lot of people seem to have issues with ARC so you might want to go optical even if your AVR supports it.
post #4911 of 13986
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post



Furthermore, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why people who spend close to $3000 on a VT60 are so damn cheap not to pay for a $400 calibration. confused.gif It's like buying a race car only to give it the lowest octane gas possible. (Note, I am excluding self-calibrators here and yourself since you said you did have it done, but just making a point in general.)

Yes it seems that most people spend money on the TV and a warranty and then dont get it caibrated. IMO you should skip the extended warranty (never in life buy a warranty), and pay for the calibration instead.

When ChadB did my VT60, it was not exactly a night and day difference, but it was a pretty big improvement. Flipping back into the THX mode now is painful...
post #4912 of 13986
The SquareTrade warranty via CostCo is only a fraction of the cost of a pro calibration. With how quality has taken a backseat in recent years, that to me is a no-brainer.
post #4913 of 13986
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

The SquareTrade warranty via CostCo is only a fraction of the cost of a pro calibration. With how quality has taken a backseat in recent years, that to me is a no-brainer.
+1
post #4914 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

As mentioned by Vinnie you can use ARC but there is also SPDIF optical output from the TV. I use this optical output for the smart tv features.

Edit: A lot of people seem to have issues with ARC so you might want to go optical even if your AVR supports it.

My Marantz sr7002 avr have doesn't support arc I don't think. So, with the optical route back to the avr, does it provide dts and Dolby track pass through to the avr? What about the video, will it traverse back on the Hdmi out from the avr to the tv?
Also, do I just connect the optical to one of the optical inputs on the avr? How does it know to use it with the video on the Hdmi out?
post #4915 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Sittler27 View Post

My Marantz sr7002 avr have doesn't support arc I don't think. So, with the optical route back to the avr, does it provide dts and Dolby track pass through to the avr? What about the video, will it traverse back on the Hdmi out from the avr to the tv?
Also, do I just connect the optical to one of the optical inputs on the avr? How does it know to use it with the video on the Hdmi out?

yes it passed Dolby Digital, not sure about DTS since I have not seen any content with it.

On my AVR(I think it would all others) I had to switch inputs to the one that I had programmed to have optical input and it has no video(think CD input). The smart TV stuff just overlays the input which is blue screen since there is nothing. I have a harmony remote so everything is set up as macro. Hopefully that makes sense.
post #4916 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Not everyone is concerned about seeing the director's intent when they watch a movie, but for anyone who does have that concern, a quality calibration is worth the cost. The only people I know who are concerned about the director's intent, I've met through AVS. Moving colored pictures seem to satisfy everyone else that I know, including my young wife of fifty years. eek.gif
Im guessing that as long as the tv is big enough that she can see the hockey puck she's OK. wink.gif
biggrin.gif

Actually she sees more subtleties in colors than I do. wink.gif
post #4917 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Jeff_DML View Post

yes it passed Dolby Digital, not sure about DTS since I have not seen any content with it.

On my AVR(I think it would all others) I had to switch inputs to the one that I had programmed to have optical input and it has no video(think CD input). The smart TV stuff just overlays the input which is blue screen since there is nothing. I have a harmony remote so everything is set up as macro. Hopefully that makes sense.
Perfectly. Thanks!
post #4918 of 13986
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

These posts are funny. The biggest anti-calibration people are the ones who are the most clueless and ignorant about it as your post shows --- and they have never had it done by a top pro (which excludes Geek Squad who can actually make things worse sometimes).

It depends on how you define "pretty close". I certainly would not call the VT60 pretty close out of the box. A calibration will help significantly...and once you know what accurate color and 6500K grayscale look like as well as other aspects that make up the image, there is no going back to out-of-the-box or shared settings. Ever. I learned this back in 2004 with my CRT RPTV which was pro-cal'd and was the same with other display technologies I owned including an SXRD, ST30 and now VT60.

Furthermore, there is significant drifting with these sets during the first 300 hours and more subtle drifting that always occurs over time. Even if the set was perfect out-of-the-box, it wouldn't last very long.
Couldn't have said it better myself David I guess we are stuck with our placebo effect plasmas forever:(

I'm amazed at the number of people that have a negative opinion about calibration yet they never seen a professionally calibrated set
Edited by chunon - 9/20/13 at 8:32pm
post #4919 of 13986
Here's the significant others view on pro calibration: I had a 50" Vizio 720p that had 1024 x 768 resolution (not 1366 x 768). Real crappy. I the bought the 50S60 and used online settings. In less than 2 months I bought the 65VT60 and used the Cnet settings. The only thing that impressed her was the increase in size; from a 50" to 65". She could not see the difference in PQ from the Vizio to the VT. She was TOTALLY satisfied with the Vizio PQ !!!

Anyway, DNice did his magic and she actually praised the PQ, especially Bluray. That alone was worth the price. Some people just don't have the visual acuity. Some people can hear an instrument just slightly out of tune. Just another take on perception. I am very happy with this TV.
post #4920 of 13986
Thanks for posting your experience Gary ill be joining the owners club very soon smile.gif
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