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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Obviously you have never worked on stage. The heat from a theater spot is very, very hot -- you can get third degree burns from them. The heat from an LED is negligible.
:rolleyes:Larry

Oh and lets not forget, they are recommended for theater use only.... rolleyes.gif

Ill stick with what several others have used and recommended, along with what I've used.
post #5552 of 13987
Hello everyone, I'm just about to go pick up my 65 inch vt60 and would like to run some slides for 100 hours or so. How do I go about doing this? Is there a thread on this topic? Or can I just run the screen wipe feature on the tv? Your help is appreciated, thanks smile.gif
post #5553 of 13987
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Originally Posted by jsev316 View Post

Hello everyone, I'm just about to go pick up my 65 inch vt60 and would like to run some slides for 100 hours or so. How do I go about doing this? Is there a thread on this topic? Or can I just run the screen wipe feature on the tv? Your help is appreciated, thanks smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread
post #5554 of 13987
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

Could the OP just use the Autocal feature of control cal? This is what I planned to do after about 400 hours or so. This should get him as accurate of a picture as a professional calibration, no?

Considering that the Vt60 is not a set that is way out of calibration, it is a definitely YES to this. The fine tuning that a professional calibrator will do is generally a subjective matter and may or may not make a difference. I would never pay anyone at this point to calibrate this set since you can use autocal - at least with Calman 5 - at get phenomenal results that only the best of a calibrator can finish off but at that point - its splitting hairs.

an ID3 colorimeter is extremely accurate colorimeter especially with plasmas - at least of what I have read by other professional calibrators. Nevertheless - it wont hurt to do it and see for yourself.

I have had sets calibrated by a professional and its incredible and moreso because the sets were WAY OUT WACK - this set is closer to being accurate out of the box than most - not to say that you do not have to calibrate just that its not the same as with other sets out there.

Great TV..it reminds me so much of my old Mits Crt I had calibrated - even better at times..
post #5555 of 13987
Yes, but you never have that surety of result with "do-it-yourself" work that a good pro can provide.

Chad calibrated my 65vt this week and the difference is easily seen in this artists eyes. If you have the means and access for a professional calibration, i would very highly recommend the service, especially at this level...
post #5556 of 13987
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Originally Posted by richlo View Post

Considering that the Vt60 is not a set that is way out of calibration, it is a definitely YES to this. The fine tuning that a professional calibrator will do is generally a subjective matter and may or may not make a difference. I would never pay anyone at this point to calibrate this set since you can use autocal - at least with Calman 5 - at get phenomenal results that only the best of a calibrator can finish off but at that point - its splitting hairs.

an ID3 colorimeter is extremely accurate colorimeter especially with plasmas - at least of what I have read by other professional calibrators. Nevertheless - it wont hurt to do it and see for yourself.

I have had sets calibrated by a professional and its incredible and moreso because the sets were WAY OUT WACK - this set is closer to being accurate out of the box than most - not to say that you do not have to calibrate just that its not the same as with other sets out there.

Great TV..it reminds me so much of my old Mits Crt I had calibrated - even better at times..

I think it's great your doing self-cal, but if you talk to other guys who did self-cals who then get a top calibrator like Chad B who uses a Jeti spectro, the results come out even better.
post #5557 of 13987
Going back to this issue I'm having of "Line Bleed" Some of you say this is normal for this model? I have approached my TV Dealer who in turn have been talking to Panasonic, there option is to replace the "A Board" in my TV. My concerns here is:-
a/will I loss all my settings ive adjusted for Picture Width, Height etc?
b/This new board then wont "speak" to my WD My Book AV-TV (External TV HDD) as they are paired to TV so I will loss all my recordings and have to format the disk :-(?
Then they say if it makes no difference, that's it I'm stuck with it? They don't seem to be able to give me back my original "A Board" saying it has to be returned to Panasonic for rework?.
I don't know whether to accept this offer or to just put up with it as some of you guys are saying it's normal anyway.
You thoughts please?
I am trying to see if Panasonic would foot the bill for me to get my TV professionally calibrated as that should show up if there is a fault with the A Board or not, wouldn't it?
post #5558 of 13987
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I think it's great your doing self-cal, but if you talk to other guys who did self-cals who then get a top calibrator like Chad B who uses a Jeti spectro, the results come out even better.

No doubt the jeti will be better but for plasma it wont be that much better but 300 to 400 better i am not sure about. But if anyone is in doubt they can hire Chad or dnice. They will squeeze every bit out of it.

Sillysally. I think that is his name here is i think from chicago and so am i. Maybe we can get together and compare.
post #5559 of 13987
You can not do accurate color work without a spectro or a colorimeter profiled to a spectro, greyscale yes but in order to accurately dial in a set with CMS you need a spectro or an accurate profile. I have tried both routes including autocal on my VT50 and in my personal experience Chad's cal was signifcantly better.Just my two cents
post #5560 of 13987
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

Could the OP just use the Autocal feature of control cal? This is what I planned to do after about 400 hours or so. This should get him as accurate of a picture as a professional calibration, no?

I thought the same thing, have Calman Control and an i1 Pro, but I am very glad I had ChadB cal my VT60. I can maintain what he did if I get drift, and develop better calibration skill, but I was well pleased to have a definitive baseline and know it was done right with professional tools that are way beyond my budget. I don't think anyone can appreciate the level of expertise that goes into a calibration of the sort he provides.
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I know this question is prolly being just to nitty gritty but for those who ordered from Pauls do you know if they will honor a request for a certain manufacturer date...I would really like to get the most recent date possible...I also see those commenting on their new sets saying theirs are like august and September builds so maybe it's already the right one but in not sure
post #5562 of 13987
I only have the Disney WOW disc...😕

Mehhhh
post #5563 of 13987
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I know this question is prolly being just to nitty gritty but for those who ordered from Pauls do you know if they will honor a request for a certain manufacturer date...I would really like to get the most recent date possible...I also see those commenting on their new sets saying theirs are like august and September builds so maybe it's already the right one but in not sure
Ask Pauls.
post #5564 of 13987
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I posted this in the VT60 deals thread but there's WAY more people in here...so I hope you don't mind

Pauls is having another GREAT sale but....How everyone's experience with Pauls TV? Do they ship used sets as new as sometimes best buy is known to do? I don't have one in my state (CT) so I'm wondering if there's any concern with that I have no experience with them though their chat service was quite useful. want to make sure I'm getting a fresh new set from them since it is coming from out of state...also any issues with defects or damage? Or has everyone's set been shipped nicely and works well?

Their online store is run completely separate from their physical store chain. Their return policy isn't good. Their customer service is fine - until you have a problem then they can be difficult to deal with.

If you buy from Paul's online store, make damn sure you thoroughly inspect the TV for damage before letting the driver leave. If you pay extra for their so-called White Glove delivery, make sure the driver fulfills his obligations per their terms. And when you sign the bill of lading, first write the words "SUBJECT TO INSPECTION FOR HIDDEN DAMAGE" before signing your name - that way you'll have some recourse should you discover an issue after the driver leaves or in subsequent days.

Here are a few threads about Paul's:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435267/pauls-plasma-tv-nightmare-nightmare-resolved

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441327/anyone-have-similar-experience-with-pauls-tv
post #5565 of 13987
^ Wish I had know about the hidden damage note. I thoroughly inspected the TV, but the stand wasn't unpacked until after I signed and they left. Once I unwrapped the stand I noticed it had a dent in the corner. Sent a claim to Paul's, but the guy on the phone said there likely won't be anything that can be done about it.
post #5566 of 13987
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I know this question is prolly being just to nitty gritty but for those who ordered from Pauls do you know if they will honor a request for a certain manufacturer date...I would really like to get the most recent date possible...I also see those commenting on their new sets saying theirs are like august and September builds so maybe it's already the right one but in not sure

There is no way a large retailer like this will check the build date for you. That would require someone to remove the carton's upper box, unwrap the TV, and read the little build date sticker on the back of the TV and nobody is going to go through the trouble. And the TVs are usually drop shipped from a big warehouse or regional distribution center and the warehouse workers aren't going to unpack multiple TVs to find one with the newest build date on the sticker.
post #5567 of 13987
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

^ Wish I had know about the hidden damage note. I thoroughly inspected the TV, but the stand wasn't unpacked until after I signed and they left. Once I unwrapped the stand I noticed it had a dent in the corner. Sent a claim to Paul's, but the guy on the phone said there likely won't be anything that can be done about it.

Sure they can - tell them if they won't replace the damaged stand to just send you a whole new replacement TV if they don't want to replace the damaged stand they sent you. They consider the stand as part of the TV and probably don't want to eat the $200-$300 price of a replacement stand from Panasonic's parts department.

Many years ago i bought a small LCD TV from Pauls local store and the remote control was damaged. They tried to give me a similar used remote from a box of remotes of their floor model TVs but they didn't have the right menu buttons. They said to just use the menu buttons on the TV and i said no friggin way am i going to adjust picture settings from an arm's length away from the screen and to please give me a good remote. They really tried to get out of it so i insisted they just replace the TV with another one with a good remote, or open a new TV and give me the remote out of the box, but they refused. I contacted my credit card company and they said they'd reverse the charges and have me return the TV so i took that email to the manager and only then did he agree to replace the remote. He ended up buying a new remote directly from Sharp's parts division and i picked it up a week later. I wasn't about to let them off the hook.
post #5568 of 13987
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

From what I have read the drivers come with a checklist and let you inspect the TV and they help hook it up...and white Glove delivery is included for no fee and there's no tax during their promotions

What they call White Glove Delivery is not actually White Glove Delivery. They act like East Coast TVs sometimes tongue.gif
post #5569 of 13987
Ok so basically what you just said is Pauls will sell me a used TV as new? And they are all damaged?

Should I not listen to those who have had a great experience with Pauls?? Well I was set on getting the TV from Pauls but now you just made me step back big time

From reading the link you sent it seems the buyer did not properly inspect the screen with a flashlight like most knowledgable people would who ever Owned plasma or deal
With online stores (I learned this when I bought my KURO, they always told us to inspect any TV with a LED flashlight.) did that with my s60 I inspected every nook and cranny when I brought it home...I picked that one up from store. Also if the policy states they hook it up you better believe I'm making them stay until I'm done. I'll give them some
Lemonade and toss them 20$ for their time...plus it's a nice
Gesture since they are hauling it for me. So I won't get discouraged...I have seen at least 5 people order from Pauls in the last few days that have had a stellar experience. So hopefully I will too.

I mean if there's damage internally there's not way of telling but if none externally then all
Should be good in the guts.

My biggest fear is getting a used set being sold as a new set..my worries were shot down but brought back by your post!! But thank you for your concern it is always something to keep in mind!
post #5570 of 13987
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Ok so basically what you just said is Pauls will sell me a used TV as new? And they are all damaged?
Where in any of that did you see me say anything about them selling a used TV as new??? Or that they're all damaged?? I said no such thing.


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Should I not listen to those who have had a great experience with Pauls?? Well I was set on getting the TV from Pauls but now you just made me step back big time

I'm not saying that at all, but you need to listen to the people who have had problems with them and read what transpired in their cases and make sure that you take necessary steps so that the same thing doesn't happen to you. If the TV arrives undamaged and is not defective then of course that's a great experience, just make sure the TV (and also the stand apparently) that they're delivering is undamaged and is not defective. If you end up with a damaged or defective TV then it's nobody's fault but your own if you actually read the info i've posted and threads i've linked.
post #5571 of 13987
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Where in any of that did you see me say anything about them selling a used TV as new??? Or that they're all damaged?? I said no such thing.
I'm not saying that at all, but you need to listen to the people who have had problems with them and read what transpired in their cases and make sure that you take necessary steps so that the same thing doesn't happen to you. If the TV arrives undamaged and is not defective then of course that's a great experience, just make sure the TV (and also the stand apparently) that they're delivering is undamaged and is not defective. If you end up with a damaged or defective TV then it's nobody's fault but your own if you actually read the info i've posted and threads i've linked.

Sorry if that came off as hostile...I take everything everyone says here into consideration and sometimes i take the advice to an extreme when in reality is not as bad as it sounds. But it's always appreciated.

But honestly from reading the links you provided and from reading these threads the very FIRST thing I learned was to always always always inspect your product. Those links IMO were minor issues with a company and mostly the consumers fault..compared to some horror stories on this site and if you ever dealt with AT&T then you have entered a war but that's a different subject. You paid for it..the delivery guys vary in kindness...but in the end your the one paying not them. So those guys basically signed ad consented for a delivery of a "damaged" TV.

I highly doubt they sell used as new that's just a personal fear of mine after reading some BB problems like that and had that experience on my own.

Like I've stated before I am not new to plasma
Tech or dealing with delivery..did it with Pioneer back in 08 but haven't had to worry about buying any other TVs till this year..got some extra cash and got Into nursing school so I treated myself with a nice Mac. Retina and nice new TV
post #5572 of 13987
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Ok so basically what you just said is Pauls will sell me a used TV as new? And they are all damaged?
lol Oh No...the sky is falling!
Cmon man. Wise up. Randy is one of the most knowledgeable guys in this thread. Pay attention and it will help you.
post #5573 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

lol Oh No...the sky is falling!
Cmon man. Wise up. Randy is one of the most knowledgeable guys in this thread. Pay attention and it will help you.

I stated in my most recent post that I take everything he says into consideration since he goes out of his way to respond to everyone. I read the links he provided and it mostly pointed to lack of knowledge by a new consumer. Also I'm not new to all this...just new to Panny. And as I stated a while back I also greatly Appreciated your help as well Bond.

This is why I HATE texting or forums because you can't ever tell a persons tone we only had these little smiley faces
post #5574 of 13987
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I stated in my most recent post that I take everything he says into consideration since he goes out of his way to respond to everyone. I read the links he provided and it mostly pointed to lack of knowledge by a new consumer. Also I'm not new to all this...just new to Panny. And as I stated a while back I also greatly Appreciated your help as well Bond.

This is why I HATE texting or forums because you can't ever tell a persons tone we only had these little smiley faces
Note that I didnt include any smiley faces. FWIW you tend to overreact and worry too much.
post #5575 of 13987
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

^ Wish I had know about the hidden damage note. I thoroughly inspected the TV, but the stand wasn't unpacked until after I signed and they left. Once I unwrapped the stand I noticed it had a dent in the corner. Sent a claim to Paul's, but the guy on the phone said there likely won't be anything that can be done about it.
Actually that note will not do much good, everything "is subject to inspection" when you sign. A display will not power up if it is cracked, power on with driver to the on board menu at least. Power on = no issues.
Even if you buy at good old BB, this should be done. Everyone has damages, these units are made of glass.
post #5576 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Paul Robins View Post

Going back to this issue I'm having of "Line Bleed" Some of you say this is normal for this model? I have approached my TV Dealer who in turn have been talking to Panasonic, there option is to replace the "A Board" in my TV. My concerns here is:-
a/will I loss all my settings ive adjusted for Picture Width, Height etc?
b/This new board then wont "speak" to my WD My Book AV-TV (External TV HDD) as they are paired to TV so I will loss all my recordings and have to format the disk :-(?
Then they say if it makes no difference, that's it I'm stuck with it? They don't seem to be able to give me back my original "A Board" saying it has to be returned to Panasonic for rework?.
I don't know whether to accept this offer or to just put up with it as some of you guys are saying it's normal anyway.
You thoughts please?
I am trying to see if Panasonic would foot the bill for me to get my TV professionally calibrated as that should show up if there is a fault with the A Board or not, wouldn't it?

Wow. You're going to have the A Board replaced due to an inherent plasma "flaw". Wow.

The new A Board will have completely new/different service menu cuts, so the picture will look different and all your preset adjustments will be wiped.

Keep in mind, once you start doing repairs, it opens the door to needing more repairs down the road. I wouldn't do this, but its not my TV.
post #5577 of 13987
Is there any setting other than sharpness that can actually make the vt60 sharper? I have it set to custom mode, the only setting bright enough for my room (would still love to have more brightness)The default sharpness is set to 50. I adjusted it up and down with no better results than 50 and it looks too soft to me. Thanks.
post #5578 of 13987
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Originally Posted by Paul Robins View Post

Going back to this issue I'm having of "Line Bleed" Some of you say this is normal for this model? I have approached my TV Dealer who in turn have been talking to Panasonic, there option is to replace the "A Board" in my TV. My concerns here is:-
a/will I loss all my settings ive adjusted for Picture Width, Height etc?
b/This new board then wont "speak" to my WD My Book AV-TV (External TV HDD) as they are paired to TV so I will loss all my recordings and have to format the disk :-(?
Then they say if it makes no difference, that's it I'm stuck with it? They don't seem to be able to give me back my original "A Board" saying it has to be returned to Panasonic for rework?.
I don't know whether to accept this offer or to just put up with it as some of you guys are saying it's normal anyway.
You thoughts please?
I am trying to see if Panasonic would foot the bill for me to get my TV professionally calibrated as that should show up if there is a fault with the A Board or not, wouldn't it?

Even replacing every board in the display with not get rid of line bleed. It's ludicrous to even consider it. It's been on these sets for years. If it bothers you that much, then Panasonic plasmas are not for you. Pure and simple.
post #5579 of 13987
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

Is there any setting other than sharpness that can actually make the vt60 sharper? I have it set to custom mode, the only setting bright enough for my room (would still love to have more brightness)The default sharpness is set to 50. I adjusted it up and down with no better results than 50 and it looks too soft to me. Thanks.

50 is probably too high. It sounds like a source issue.
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

50 is probably too high. It sounds like a source issue.

+1

Load up a BluRay like Oblivion, I doubt you'll have detail problems.
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