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post #61 of 13988
What is a VT65?
post #62 of 13988
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

What is a VT65?

VT65 is the EU version of the NA VT60 while close, I would wait for reviews on the VT60 if you are in the NA market......
post #63 of 13988
i am in USA ...just need to know if its worth the wait i give this 65vt50 back and get vt60 hopefully.Not sure on zt and the money for it..Repair,warranty,u know ..with them going out of plasma market...But im in the window of this cheaper price 65vt50 to give back and wait to get a vt60 and pay little more ... i do not want to go led or w/e cause i know nothing that would come close to PQ of my vt50 smile.gif . Zt there is no space between glass is that same for vt60 line also?
post #64 of 13988
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Originally Posted by Denniswrly View Post

i am in USA ...just need to know if its worth the wait i give this 65vt50 back and get vt60 hopefully.Not sure on zt and the money for it..Repair,warranty,u know ..with them going out of plasma market...But im in the window of this cheaper price 65vt50 to give back and wait to get a vt60 and pay little more ... i do not want to go led or w/e cause i know nothing that would come close to PQ of my vt50 smile.gif . Zt there is no space between glass is that same for vt60 line also?

The worth will ahve to be decided by you, will it be an improvement? I have no doubt, how much and is that improvement worth the upgrade that is yet to be determined.....As far as the way the set is built no, that process is exclusive to the ZT series.
post #65 of 13988
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Originally Posted by headlesschickens View Post

Well it can't be zero. What that means is that the lag matched their other display, whatever it is. And depending on the method of the test (Windows clone or HDMI splitter?) there may be additional differences between the latency of the two displays. So.. basically this tells us nothing other than the fact that the latency can be decreased significantly from the numbers you get without game mode. It'd be a safe bet that the lag testing device's ~40ms (UK version) is probably where it's going to be for all models that have the "hexa processor" this year.

FWIW, they were comparing against a Dell CRT which most likely has close to 0 lag. They also mentioned having to disable every other image processing feature - noise reduction, contrast enhancer, etc. to achieve 0 lag. Here is their ST60 review for comparison: http://www.hdtv.com.pl/forum/panasonic/96121-panasonic-tx-p50st60e-test-otwarty-nowa-generacja-plazm-panasonica-puka-glosno-do.html
post #66 of 13988
Hope to see one of these in person very soon, looking to upgrade a Samsung LNT-4061F LCD I've had for years... thinking of buying the VT60 or the Samsung F8500.
post #67 of 13988
Anyone here ever do business with All Time TVs? They have the 60VT60 for $2300 w/free shipping. Seems like an awfully good deal to me. Kind of leery since I've never even heard of them before.
post #68 of 13988
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Originally Posted by Shadowdane View Post

Hope to see one of these in person very soon, looking to upgrade a Samsung LNT-4061F LCD I've had for years... thinking of buying the VT60 or the Samsung F8500.

I'm looking to upgrade from an LN40A550 (5 years old). This will be my first plasma as well and I am also deciding between a VT60 or F8500. I am hoping that the VT60 will be as good of a set as the ST60. The ST60 is getting the best PQ to value ratio ever from CNET (or so says the front page)
post #69 of 13988
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Originally Posted by Oplasmic View Post

Anyone here ever do business with All Time TVs? They have the 60VT60 for $2300 w/free shipping. Seems like an awfully good deal to me. Kind of leery since I've never even heard of them before.

Looks like it's actually $2400, but yeah.. great deal. Looks like All Time TVs are fairly reputable, although I've never done business with them. I'd trust them as much as any other online TV retailer, though.

On a similar note, the 60" looks to be the first size of VT60 that is truly "in stock" and shipping now. Saw one last week at a local store. They had it for $2499 (which I felt was a great price). I'm anxious to see what happens to the price of the other sizes, when they get those in. I'm guessing the 65" will be under $3000. Almost makes me happy that I won't have enough money for my new set until halfway through May. Prices should continue to drop, once all stores are all stocked up on all sizes/models.
post #70 of 13988
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Originally Posted by AdamHD View Post

Looks like it's actually $2400, but yeah.. great deal. Looks like All Time TVs are fairly reputable, although I've never done business with them. I'd trust them as much as any other online TV retailer, though.

On a similar note, the 60" looks to be the first size of VT60 that is truly "in stock" and shipping now. Saw one last week at a local store. They had it for $2499 (which I felt was a great price). I'm anxious to see what happens to the price of the other sizes, when they get those in. I'm guessing the 65" will be under $3000. Almost makes me happy that I won't have enough money for my new set until halfway through May. Prices should continue to drop, once all stores are all stocked up on all sizes/models.

I might look to get some glasses tomorrow:),,,yeah, $2399. Doing some research online AT TVs seems to be reputable. I think I'll take the dive. Just sent back a 60F8500 for a couple of issues.
post #71 of 13988
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Originally Posted by TheSchlaf View Post

I'm looking to upgrade from an LN40A550 (5 years old). This will be my first plasma as well and I am also deciding between a VT60 or F8500. I am hoping that the VT60 will be as good of a set as the ST60. The ST60 is getting the best PQ to value ratio ever from CNET (or so says the front page)

The VT60 will be better, at least in PQ... HOW MUCH better remains to be seen. The VT60 has quite a lot more features than the ST60 (skype cam, touch remote, dual core processor, metal stand, one sheet of glass design, voice control, etc), but the importance of those features are going to vary from person to person. It's pretty amazing that the ST60 is getting such great praise on it's picture quality, and "technically" It's a mid-tier TV. I say, if you are looking for a 60" or smaller screen size, the ST60 is pretty much a no-brainer (as far as "value" is concerned). The 60" VT60 is a thousand dollars more. It's when you get to the 65" size that it becomes a tougher decision. Anyone willing to spend $2200+ (65" ST60) on a TV, may very well just spend the extra $700-800 and get the 65" VT60.
post #72 of 13988
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Originally Posted by Oplasmic View Post

I might look to get some glasses tomorrow:),,,yeah, $2399. Doing some research online AT TVs seems to be reputable. I think I'll take the dive. Just sent back a 60F8500 for a couple of issues.

Awesome! I'm excited to hear your impressions of the set after you get it
post #73 of 13988
I am the proud owner of a 60VT60. Arrived this morning.

I went to the store on Saturday fully expecting to order a 60ST60. While my wife was filling out the delivery info, I asked when they would be getting the VT60s in. Turns out they had them on the floor, and could be delivered on Monday. Well, I had to take a look...

Of course, comparing the two was difficult, as the B&M had them on opposite sides of the store... but the VT had a noticeably better picture (not to say that the ST60 wasn't a fine looking set). The brushed aluminum and the V-stand was much nicer looking than the black plastic stand of the ST60. And the audio of the VT was reasonably good, whereas the ST sounded pretty awful...

Long story short, decided to pull the trigger on it (after convincing the wife). Got a really good deal on it as well.

Haven't had a chance to do anything other than connect it up to the PS3 before I had to shuffle off to work... but so far it's a sweet looking set.

Since I've gathered a lot of useful information from the users here in the past, if there's anything someone wants me to check out, I'll do what I can. My current plan is to see how the input lag through Rocksmith is... (we also picked up a new pre pro, so I have a lot of cabling, configuring and calibrating ahead of me this week).

I snapped a picture of the set (complete with glare from windows) with the iPhone on the way out the door, if anyone is interested in such things...
post #74 of 13988
@MrXo, Please post pics of set and menu layout.I'am definetly going to get me a 60 series this year...Just trying to decide which one.I'am scared of getting a St60 then having buyers remorse for the other models. Thanks.
post #75 of 13988
Here's a shot of the set. I'll see about getting some menu photos tonight (although there are a lot of menus). Just out of the shrink-wrap, no calibration... I think it was in THX-Bright Room mode at the time.

AppleMark
post #76 of 13988
MrXo....Looks sweet,you should get the D-nice or Chad B treatment for it or unless you plan to diy.

Enjoy buddy,cant wait until i get my hands on one.
post #77 of 13988
I'm really liking that one sheet of glass design they were talking about.
post #78 of 13988
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Originally Posted by MrXo View Post

Here's a shot of the set. I'll see about getting some menu photos tonight (although there are a lot of menus). Just out of the shrink-wrap, no calibration... I think it was in THX-Bright Room mode at the time.

AppleMark

COngrats on the new set. looking forward to your impressions
post #79 of 13988
Congrats MrXo! That thing is absolutely beautiful. I for one and very interested in your input lag results! Have fun tinkering with it all week!
post #80 of 13988
Anything panny will be better choice imo..also look for last year shoot out winner 65vt50 or 55" sales everywhere do to new stuff...
post #81 of 13988
Best buy in Chicago is claiming the VTs will be in on sunday, just a heads up everyone
post #82 of 13988
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Originally Posted by MrXo View Post

I am the proud owner of a 60VT60. Arrived this morning.

I went to the store on Saturday fully expecting to order a 60ST60. While my wife was filling out the delivery info, I asked when they would be getting the VT60s in. Turns out they had them on the floor, and could be delivered on Monday. Well, I had to take a look...

Of course, comparing the two was difficult, as the B&M had them on opposite sides of the store... but the VT had a noticeably better picture (not to say that the ST60 wasn't a fine looking set). The brushed aluminum and the V-stand was much nicer looking than the black plastic stand of the ST60. And the audio of the VT was reasonably good, whereas the ST sounded pretty awful...

Long story short, decided to pull the trigger on it (after convincing the wife). Got a really good deal on it as well.

Haven't had a chance to do anything other than connect it up to the PS3 before I had to shuffle off to work... but so far it's a sweet looking set.

Since I've gathered a lot of useful information from the users here in the past, if there's anything someone wants me to check out, I'll do what I can. My current plan is to see how the input lag through Rocksmith is... (we also picked up a new pre pro, so I have a lot of cabling, configuring and calibrating ahead of me this week).

I snapped a picture of the set (complete with glare from windows) with the iPhone on the way out the door, if anyone is interested in such things...

MrXo....absolutely gorgeous. My is due to arrive by Friday at the latest. Can't wait. Could you give me your initial impressions on the screen glare?
post #83 of 13988
@znutz, screen glare is worse than the matte-finish Samsung DLP that it's replacing (that sadly died a few weeks ago). It's in a room with skylights, windows and patio doors and it's next to a door with a window in it, so it gets a lot of light during the day... Luckily, that's not when we do TV watching, but I think we will probably have to finally get around to putting up some window treatments.

It's about as reflective as you'd imagine having a sheet of glass in your living room is. You can see your own reflection in it. That being said, it seems bright enough to be watchable during the day (noting of course that I have not had the chance to try it yet, since the TV arrived about 9am)... but with the DLP, trying to watch at noon was just bearable if you put the TV into Dynamic (aka torch mode)... I expect the plasma to be bright enough if you put it into Vivid. I'll be able to say more in a day or two.

Watched a little of the Avengers this morning just to make sure everything was fine, and although the reflections were there, they weren't noticeable. Part of the rationale of bumping up to the VT was that it was supposed to have a better louvre filter... maybe that was a good idea...
post #84 of 13988
The louvre filter is good for over head lights. Not so good for the other angles.
post #85 of 13988
Best Buy here in New York has a sign saying April 19th for the 65VT60 and the 21st for the other sizes. June 9th for the ZTs.
post #86 of 13988
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Originally Posted by MrXo View Post

Here's a shot of the set. I'll see about getting some menu photos tonight (although there are a lot of menus). Just out of the shrink-wrap, no calibration... I think it was in THX-Bright Room mode at the time.

AppleMark

Very nice..congrats! smile.gif
post #87 of 13988
For a quick photo off a phone, looks pretty good. With the level of ambient light that is in the room, you would expect a slightly more washed out image. Looking forward to hearing more.
post #88 of 13988
looks great.

Cant wait to get my hands on the 65vt60
post #89 of 13988
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Originally Posted by MrXo View Post

@znutz, screen glare is worse than the matte-finish Samsung DLP that it's replacing (that sadly died a few weeks ago). It's in a room with skylights, windows and patio doors and it's next to a door with a window in it, so it gets a lot of light during the day... Luckily, that's not when we do TV watching, but I think we will probably have to finally get around to putting up some window treatments.

It's about as reflective as you'd imagine having a sheet of glass in your living room is. You can see your own reflection in it. That being said, it seems bright enough to be watchable during the day (noting of course that I have not had the chance to try it yet, since the TV arrived about 9am)... but with the DLP, trying to watch at noon was just bearable if you put the TV into Dynamic (aka torch mode)... I expect the plasma to be bright enough if you put it into Vivid. I'll be able to say more in a day or two.

Watched a little of the Avengers this morning just to make sure everything was fine, and although the reflections were there, they weren't noticeable. Part of the rationale of bumping up to the VT was that it was supposed to have a better louvre filter... maybe that was a good idea...

Thanks for the input. I went with the VT for the louvre filter as well. It is going to (room doesn't allow a choice) sit opposite of a large 6' picture window. I have heavy curtains and do most of my watching during the evening so I'm hoping I will be just fine.
post #90 of 13988
My 55 inch VT60 was delivered yesterday. Looks terrific.
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