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post #661 of 14003
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Now Im even more confused. 3 hours ago you said you were only keeping the ST and VT until the ZT comes and then "one or the other gotta go".

I meant my wife will probably make me sell one to a friend .. i wont return it because it would probably be to late like you said
post #662 of 14003
I noticed the majority of the slides are grey and white in color. Is this what I should be seeing?
post #663 of 14003
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Originally Posted by Tarheel1400 View Post

I noticed the majority of the slides are grey and white in color. Is this what I should be seeing?

yes, there are only 3 color slides.....
post #664 of 14003
I became the happy owner of the 65VT60 last Friday. I spent the weekend watching blu-rays mostly and have been avoiding video with static logos and such. The blacks are so impressive. I can't comment enough on how good they really are. My point of reference is a 50" 2005 NEC XR4 plasma (I think), which I still view as fantastic looking set today. Colors seem pretty close to the NEC, it's the black depth that's so much better. I found it difficult at one point to distinguish where the panel met the bezel.

I've followed this thread and wanted to share my initial observations:

1. I didn't buy the TV for 3D, at all. However once my wife and I threw on the glasses and threw on DTVs 3net channel, it was all over. It is superb. The best I've seen. FWIW, I'm a Crestron programmer by trade and have seen many expensive 3D implementations from various manufacturers and display types. I always can detect the active shutter jitter, which ultimately makes for jitter in the picture and causes to much eye strain for me, especially with action scenes.. Not with this set. It almost makes me feel like no one has ever been able to get the timing right until now. I could watch hours of 3d content on this baby. It's the first active 3d that doesn't give me a headache after extended periods of watching it. I had to go out and buy a new 3D Blu-ray player, 2 more glasses for the children, and the Hobbit in 3D- The only new release we haven't seen in 2D. I bought the new Xpand glasses that allow for custom shutter timings/profiles via their computer software. Thought that was cool. Turns out they negotiated Panasonics protocol just fine (via BT) and I don't see the need to mess with the software. My only gripe on the 3D at all is that you cannot order additional matching glasses. The glasses that come with set work well. I wanted/want more of them. I checked the "optional accessories" section of the manual and they want to buy the $100+ ones from them. BS in the end. If anyone knows where to get them, let me know. We tested the $20 Samsung non rechargeable glasses out, and they didn't work. I guess they worked on last years models?

2. Web apps and Ethernet connectivity was smooth. No problems authenticating my accounts and launching streaming services. Tried Hulu and Netflix. Checked for FW update, none available.

3. Ipad Vierra 2 app is pretty cool. Seems like the best place to do basic calibrating. Sliders and graphs and all kinds of neat things that most shouldn't touch. Cool nonetheless.

4. ARC (HDMI 1.4 Audio Return Channel) works great with the Integra receiver. This a problem area with certain manufacturers. It's nice to see this working correctly. As soon as the Integra detects the return signal, it switches to it's ARC input. When the signal goes away (i.e Panasonic adhering to HDMI 1.4 standards) the receiver switches back to the previous input and displays the video from that input. For the programmers out there, this is what we want to see. The only input on the 65VT60 supporting ARC is HDMI 2. That seemed silly to me. Of course I connected to HDMI 1 and had to RTFM.

4. Cosmetic/manufacturing issue. This one took a couple days to detect. My wife hasn't noticed it yet, and it doesn't appear to create any picture problems, but the panel glass is not completely flat. The left and right edges are bowed in. I also have a weird spot on the bottom. You cannot see it by looking at it from a side profile. Only the reflections give it away. I'm pretty anal, and wasn't too happy to see this. I'm over it now. It's not frequent that I'll be viewing from 45 degree angle directly into a concaved window reflection. I want to hear more about this. Anyone else?

5. Infrared emitter connection. Don't stick an emitter on the front of the TV. The IR receiver is the left most fiber optic like pipe and the emitter can be stuck on the bottom of the TV between the pipes.

That's it for now- waiting for Chad's review!
post #665 of 14003
Thanks spinsic, I have been concerned about the screens not being flat on the ST's. I was hoping the VT'S were nice and flat. What you describe sounds different than what the ST looks like. It's the whole screen, looks like ripples. Of course you can only see it when the panel is of or from reflections. Still hoping the ZT will be flat. My 50" from 2009 is.
post #666 of 14003
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Originally Posted by Tim Akin View Post

Thanks spinsic, I have been concerned about the screens not being flat on the ST's. I was hoping the VT'S were nice and flat. What you describe sounds different than what the ST looks like. It's the whole screen, looks like ripples. Of course you can only see it when the panel is of or from reflections. Still hoping the ZT will be flat. My 50" from 2009 is.

Why would the glass on the screen not be flat? Is that something that's an issue with the viewing experience people are noticing?
post #667 of 14003
Quick question. Does anyone who already owns a VT60 know what the four colored buttons do which running horozontally on the large remote? So far I haven't seen that they do anything.
post #668 of 14003
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Quick question. Does anyone who already owns a VT60 know what the four colored buttons do which running horozontally on the large remote? So far I haven't seen that they do anything.
For blu ray control .. Pretty common blu ray button set up
post #669 of 14003
I have to give it to BestBuy - exchanges (or returns) within policy timeframe are really simple and painless.
They will come to my home on Friday, pick up the "bad" F8500, drop off the "good" VT60 (which they just got in stock this week, in my area), and leave - all free of charge (well, hidden in the price, of course).

I did compare F8500 and VT60 tonight in BestBuy store side-by-side, very briefly (it was getting close to the store close time, so couldn't spend much time), and although both sets have some "dimming" with the vertical viewing angle increasing, VT60 only showed a tiny bit of such dimming (only noticable at really extreme angles), while Samsung just looses it with even relatively minor deviation from the horizontal line. That settled it.
post #670 of 14003
Hit the home button and look at the top of the screen. You'll see an example of how the colored buttons are used on the home page. I can't say I've found other uses per-se. But I'm sure there are. Usually ties to an on screen action.
post #671 of 14003
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Quick question. Does anyone who already owns a VT60 know what the four colored buttons do which running horozontally on the large remote? So far I haven't seen that they do anything.

They perform various functions, depending on what screen you may be on. For example, when you are looking at the slide selection from a USB drive, one starts a slide show, another to select a folder. So far, the screens say what they mean at the bottom.
post #672 of 14003
Got my 55" VT60 this morning and, as you can imagine I've been familiarizing myself with it all day. First off, having briefly owned the F8500 I can say that the vertical viewing angle issues I noted with the F8500 are much less pronounced with the VT60. With bright adjacent light sources there is a bit of reflectivity to the screen but nothing that's really distracting or which can't be ameliorated by shielding the TV from the light. With a set this revealing I've also begun to recognize how source dependant these TV's are. Regrettably, most broadcast TV leaves a great deal to be desired and this set will reveal all the inherent flaws of whatever its fed. I have FIOS fiber optic service, the best in the business, so it's not a limitation of the signal the TV is receiving...it's just generally lousy programming even if it's nominally labeled "HD." However, when fed with a great source, this TV is really superb. As so many others have noted the level of detail in dark areas is unparalleled and the blacks really couldn't be a lot blacker. I am using the set with largely OOTB settings though I did tweak them just a bit. My screen setting is THX Bright Room which I find terrific for general viewing and more than bright enough in a pretty well lit room during the day. As you go through the presets it's the second brightest, below, of course, the dreadful "Dynamic" mode (or whatever they call their torch mode). After reading another post above about the glass not being perfectly flat I looked at mine very carefully and it looks absolutely and completely flat with no concave or concave issues whatsoever. The THX Bright Room mode comes with the color temperature pre-set to Warm 2. I played with this several times and found that this was too aggressive and that either Warm 1 or neutral was better (I'm still going between those two and cannot yet make up my mind). The built-in speakers are considerably better than those on the F8500 and while still not even as good as the most pedestriam HT system, are serviceable and do a decent job reproducing music. I'd say the bass goes down to about 100Hz. Kick drums are clearly audible and have at least a little punch. Highs are rolled off but there's an equalizer that allows you to boost frequencies above 5000Hz that help add at least a tiny bit of sparkle. Haven't yet had a chance to test out the 3-D of the set. I did try to watch a 10 minute "The making of a scene in Avatar" 3-D promo clip that was available on Amazon for free. It was not terribly impressive but I have a couple of 3-D movies on their way to me so I'll be in a better position to report on that in a few days. The TV does run hot but I haven't heard any fan noise or buzzing whatsoever. Whites appear to be OK though I suspect that they are better on other sets, especially LED/LCD's. Not having the opportunity to directly compare sets 1:1 in my den I can't comment on the white other than to say that they were not a source of concern. Overall brightness is fine though I would definitely avoid some of the darker preset screen modes.

One unrelated oddity. The four little clips that are used for cable management behind the (beautiful) silver triangle base were missing. I didn't realize this until the guys who had delivered the set and set it up had left. I called Panasonic expecting that they would be only too happy to send out replacements (after all, these things probably cost them maybe $1.50 each). I was not very happy as they told me I had to fax them a written request with a copy of my invoice. Really??? I just spent over two grand and these guys want to bust my shoes rather than doing the right thing and just sending them out? Bad move Panny! I did fax them what they requested so now we'll see if they step up to the plate.

Also, before I forget, kudos to Chris at Cleveland Plasma for superb customer service and a willingness to do whatever is necessary to keep a customer happy. Panny should take a page out of his book. Maybe they can hire him as a customer service consultant! (lol)

Sorry for rambling. Just wanted top provide some initial feedback.
Edited by AuralSex - 5/1/13 at 6:53pm
post #673 of 14003
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Originally Posted by spinsic View Post

1. I didn't buy the TV for 3D, at all. However once my wife and I threw on the glasses and threw on DTVs 3net channel, it was all over. It is superb. The best I've seen. FWIW, I'm a Crestron programmer by trade and have seen many expensive 3D implementations from various manufacturers and display types. I always can detect the active shutter jitter, which ultimately makes for jitter in the picture and causes to much eye strain for me, especially with action scenes.. Not with this set. It almost makes me feel like no one has ever been able to get the timing right until now. I could watch hours of 3d content on this baby. It's the first active 3d that doesn't give me a headache after extended periods of watching it. I had to go out and buy a new 3D Blu-ray player, 2 more glasses for the children, and the Hobbit in 3D- The only new release we haven't seen in 2D. I bought the new Xpand glasses that allow for custom shutter timings/profiles via their computer software. Thought that was cool. Turns out they negotiated Panasonics protocol just fine (via BT) and I don't see the need to mess with the software. My only gripe on the 3D at all is that you cannot order additional matching glasses. The glasses that come with set work well. I wanted/want more of them. I checked the "optional accessories" section of the manual and they want to buy the $100+ ones from them. BS in the end. If anyone knows where to get them, let me know. We tested the $20 Samsung non rechargeable glasses out, and they didn't work. I guess they worked on last years models?

Lots of reviews of compatible 3D glasses here: Panasonic 2012 Compatible 3D Glasses

My recommendation: For $29, get the more comfortable and rechargeable Xpand X105BT from Amazon.

The 2012 and 2013 Panasonic plasma's are all Bluetooth/RF (Full HD 3D). As are the Samsung plasma's. The Samsung's should have worked unless you got the wrong ones that are IR instead?

Panasonic has reverted to passive 3D for the 2013 LCD/LED's, but the entire 2012 Panasonic 3D flat screens were Full HD 3D.
post #674 of 14003
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Originally Posted by JonThomasDesigns View Post

For blu ray control .. Pretty common blu ray button set up
Yes, but what do they do or control when watching a bluray? Wouldn't that be controlled by the remote on the bluray player (FWIW I have the Panasonic BDT-220 Bluray player).
post #675 of 14003
Guys, one more quick question, don't seem to be able to find this anywhere...
What is the W x H distance between the wall-mounting holes on the back of P65VT60? Trying to see if I will be able to mount it on my existing stand (which can adjust to no more than ~27" W x ~17" H).

(If it's the same as P65ST60, mounting dimensions should be 26.9" x 11.8")

Thanks! smile.gif
Edited by sp1906207 - 5/1/13 at 7:08pm
post #676 of 14003
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Originally Posted by sp1906207 View Post

Guys, one more quick question, don't seem to be able to find this anywhere...
What is the W x H distance between the wall-mounting holes on the back? Trying to see if I will be able to mount it on my existing stand (which can adjust to no more than 26.5" W x 17" H).
Thanks! smile.gif

Looks like 27" x 12" , just ran downstairs and rechecked for you ...damn 1/2"
post #677 of 14003
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Originally Posted by JonThomasDesigns View Post

Looks like 27" x 12" , just ran downstairs and rechecked for you ...damn 1/2"

Thanks Jon! I actually rechecked too, and looks like I'll be able to squeeze the extra 1/2" smile.gif woohoo
post #678 of 14003
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Originally Posted by dzl13 View Post

While I'm waiting for delivery and pacing the floor, I was wondering if there is an accessible timer on the TV-one showing hours of screen use like many phones have. Would assist in the break-in period.
I tried the following on my vt60, and I'm 55 hours in!!!
Do not deviate from the instructions, as you could do something in intended.

Press and hold the {VOL -} button ON THE PLASMA TV.
Then press the {INFO} button on the remote control 3 times.

"Start Adjustment Menu" message will be displayed followed
by the Service Menu after few seconds.

ADJUST {Picture Adjustment}
WB-ADJUST {White Balance Adjustment}
OPTION {Option Setting}
V-SUS {V-SUS Adjustment}
AGING
SRV-TOOL {Service Tool}
{1} & {2} buttons move through options

Press the {2} button once to select "SRV-TOOL".

Then press the {OK} button to access it.

Using the cursor keys, highlight the right side
of the last item "PTCT :00.00.00.00.00" :





Then press and hold the {MUTE} button for 3 seconds.

Time and Count will be displayed in red color:



__TIME = Hours : Minutes of operation.
COUNT = Times the Plasma was powered on.

To exit, unplug the power cable.
post #679 of 14003
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Originally Posted by sp1906207 View Post

Guys, one more quick question, don't seem to be able to find this anywhere...
What is the W x H distance between the wall-mounting holes on the back of P65VT60? Trying to see if I will be able to mount it on my existing stand (which can adjust to no more than ~27" W x ~17" H).

(If it's the same as P65ST60, mounting dimensions should be 26.9" x 11.8")

Thanks! smile.gif

Holes for wall-hanging bracket installation

A= Horizontal
B= Vertical

(55"/60") a: 19.7” (500 mm) b: 11.8” (300 mm)


(65") a: 26.9” (684 mm) b: 11.8” (300 mm)
post #680 of 14003
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Originally Posted by sp1906207 View Post

Thanks Jon! I actually rechecked too, and looks like I'll be able to squeeze the extra 1/2" smile.gif woohoo

Just looked in my manual. Yes it is 26.9 x 11.8

[Edit] Darn it, was not fast enough. smile.gif
post #681 of 14003
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Originally Posted by AuralSex View Post

Quick question. Does anyone who already owns a VT60 know what the four colored buttons do which running horozontally on the large remote? So far I haven't seen that they do anything.
Are you going to break in the TV on the THX bright room setting ? Mine is in a bright room as well, and I'm using Cinema (per suggestion from Panasonic) during the daytime, the Cinema setting is definitely undesirable, but I'm going to wait until I hit 100 hours.
post #682 of 14003
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Originally Posted by Rice Rocket View Post

Lots of reviews of compatible 3D glasses here: Panasonic 2012 Compatible 3D Glasses

My recommendation: For $29, get the more comfortable and rechargeable Xpand X105BT from Amazon.

The 2012 and 2013 Panasonic plasma's are all Bluetooth/RF (Full HD 3D). As are the Samsung plasma's. The Samsung's should have worked unless you got the wrong ones that are IR instead?

Panasonic has reverted to passive 3D for the 2013 LCD/LED's, but the entire 2012 Panasonic 3D flat screens were Full HD 3D.
I got the Panasonic VIERA TY-ER3D4MU on amazon last week for like 79 , steep I know , per Cnet saying they were the best last year ..After much testing they are much better then the included ones with the ST and VT60's (which are the same) .. The only issue is amazon sold out for now and now people are gouging on new ones and selling for like $115
post #683 of 14003
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Originally Posted by DevItHere View Post

Just looked in my manual. Yes it is 26.9 x 11.8
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Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post

Holes for wall-hanging bracket installation
A= Horizontal
B= Vertical
(55"/60") a: 19.7” (500 mm) b: 11.8” (300 mm)
(65") a: 26.9” (684 mm) b: 11.8” (300 mm)
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Originally Posted by JonThomasDesigns View Post

Looks like 27" x 12" , just ran downstairs and rechecked for you ...damn 1/2"

Thank you!
post #684 of 14003
OK so where is this review Chad wink.gif ? See what happens when he has the TV to enjoy in his own home. Taking his sweet time and playing........
post #685 of 14003
HAHA good one Chris. Even Chris is curious to see how the VT is reviewed
post #686 of 14003
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

OK so where is this review Chad wink.gif ? See what happens when he has the TV to enjoy in his own home. Taking his sweet time and playing........

maybe he is doing some "extra critical evaluation" by watching a few movies wink.gif
post #687 of 14003
He might sell his GT50 if it impresses him enough
post #688 of 14003
His would be the first NA review. He better get a move on!
post #689 of 14003
He hasn't been home. He's working. wink.gif
post #690 of 14003
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

He hasn't been home. He's working. wink.gif

His wife has been testing out some features though wink.gif so at least someone can enjoy it biggrin.gif
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