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post #6601 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

I was thinking about plugging in DNices settings. Not sure what picture mode to put it on for day, night, and 3D. Is it custom? Also, how are people liking his settings? Seems like a lot of people couldn't wait for him to post them, now that they're out I haven't heard much about it. Does anyone prefer DNices settings over others (cnet for example)? Thanks guys.

I have not tried any other settings as of yet, and probably won't. I plugged in DNice settings for night 2D and they are magnificent!! 3D settings are great as well. FWIW.
post #6602 of 13986
Picked up my display today (TCP65VT60)! I’m excited and was frankly shocked at the size of the box. It looks small in the store compared the 90 inch LCD’s all over the place. It’s flipping huge. I checked the screen for obvious damage before we left the store, it looked fine. The box itself looked... used. It was missing one of the plastic clips. I asked if the display was new and they assured me it was. Could someone please let me know how to check the hours used once I get it plugged in tonight? I tried using the search function but I must be searching wrong. Thanks.

Oh and I'm assuming I'll find the build date on the black of the display?
post #6603 of 13986
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

Does anyone else wish the black bezel was a different color? Every time there are black bars or most of the screen is black, it looks grey next to the bezel :-(
They used to be silver, and no one liked that color .......
post #6604 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

Does anyone else wish the black bezel was a different color? Every time there are black bars or most of the screen is black, it looks grey next to the bezel :-(
They used to be silver, and no one liked that color .......

Mine doesn't look grey. You must have something wrong in the way it is set up. How about the HDMI levels? What is the source that you are using?
post #6605 of 13986
Ok hopefully third times the charm...is it found that lip sync is an issue with this TV and if so why? Is it source or TV related? That would be disappointing. That's the reason I skipped the st60
post #6606 of 13986
Am getting ready to pull the trigger on a 55" VT60 to replace my 5 yr. old 50" 720P 50PC77U, bought at Costco (still a great picture and never one problem). Amazon is offering a 5 yr. "Smart Guard Protection" plan that includes in-home service for under 240 bucks. Would this warranty be a wise purchase?
post #6607 of 13986
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Originally Posted by ~Ohdee~ View Post

Picked up my display today (TCP65VT60)! I’m excited and was frankly shocked at the size of the box. It looks small in the store compared the 90 inch LCD’s all over the place. It’s flipping huge. I checked the screen for obvious damage before we left the store, it looked fine. The box itself looked... used. It was missing one of the plastic clips. I asked if the display was new and they assured me it was. Could someone please let me know how to check the hours used once I get it plugged in tonight? I tried using the search function but I must be searching wrong. Thanks.

Oh and I'm assuming I'll find the build date on the black of the display?

To check the hours go to Menu > Help > Version > Status4. Good idea to check, just to be sure.
post #6608 of 13986
In most cases lip sync is caused by the source or anything that is between the source and receiver, not the receiver. .

Its very easy to find out if there is a lip sync problem with your VT/ST/ZT. Run a good high speed HDMI cable (6 feet up to 25 feet) from a modern Blu Bay player directly to your VT/ST/ZT and play the sound using the displays speakers. Use a original (not burnt) current Blu Ray disc.

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post #6609 of 13986
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

I just tried it while watching 24p using 96hz option with motion smoother to weak, and I could see lip sync. I am going through a soundbar so not sure if that would cause it, but for now it's going to stay off for anything but when watching TV through my cable box, and of course I will only enable it when watching sports. I watched MNF on ESPN the other day with the motion smoother on, but frankly couldn't see much of a difference with it on or off. I just tested again and with smoother on Weak, definite visible lip sync, with it off, no lip sync issues.

I also notice immediately latency issues with my mouse on my HTPC when I move around the screen, there is very visible lag with it on. With it off, no such issues. This is probably why when you enable Game mode, it grays out (turns off) the motion smoother. For now it will be turned on only for sporting events when watched through my cable box.

Tried the same settings with blu ray from ps3 at 96hz and smoother to weak and did NOT see lip sync. I'm either lucky or your mind is playing tricks on you.
post #6610 of 13986
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

To check the hours go to Menu > Help > Version > Status4. Good idea to check, just to be sure.

Thank You!

After lifting the box off it appears to be a new display. I will check to be sure. Build date is September 2013... I'm sure I read this build date is after the fan fix?
post #6611 of 13986
I've tried searching and have come up at a loss. Can anyone please point me in the direction of some P50VT65 calibration settings? Only one's I've tried thus far are these here.

http://www.avforums.com/threads/panasonic-tx-p50vt65-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.1769511/

And they appear slightly dark, and I wondered if other Calibration settings yielded similar results. I know calibration is individual, but for the time being this should act as a temporary fix.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #6612 of 13986
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Ok hopefully third times the charm...is it found that lip sync is an issue with this TV and if so why? Is it source or TV related? That would be disappointing. That's the reason I skipped the st60
You need to stop looking for problems and just enjoy your set. If you don't notice a lip sync issue, then your TV is fine.
post #6613 of 13986
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

To check the hours go to Menu > Help > Version > Status4. Good idea to check, just to be sure.
Wow, I didn't know that! Here's another way to do it but it requires going into service mode (no biggie):


post #6614 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

You need to stop looking for problems and just enjoy your set. If you don't notice a lip sync issue, then your TV is fine.

Isn't there lip sync timing adjustments on Pioneer and other AVRs that would fix this?

This can't be a problem with BD players that have dual HDMI outs that split A/V signals.

This seems like a problem from the old days that your AVRs or BD players aren't processing the HD audio signals efficiently.
post #6615 of 13986
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Ok hopefully third times the charm...is it found that lip sync is an issue with this TV and if so why? Is it source or TV related? That would be disappointing. That's the reason I skipped the st60
You own the tv. Is lip sync an issue?
post #6616 of 13986
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Originally Posted by CrazyNurse View Post

Isn't there lip sync timing adjustments on Pioneer and other AVRs that would fix this?

This can't be a problem with BD players that have dual HDMI outs that split A/V signals.

This seems like a problem from the old days that your AVRs or BD players aren't processing the HD audio signals efficiently.
That depends. Many AVR can set a delay but if the audio is already behind that wont help.
post #6617 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You own the tv. Is lip sync an issue?

I hear what you mean but I only have one source which is my ps3 blu ray player...I'm wondering for other sources like once I get a home system and cable box. Just haven't had the time with school and work. And I am enjoying every bit but want the knowledge so I know what to adjust and why I am doing so which in turn would go back toy original question...TV, source, or is it a combo of two separate issues?

I only ask because I haven't seen this issue come up in this thread yet as long as I've been reading it but I have seen it very prominent in the ST 60 thread which is why I did not go with that model plus the lag issues.

Overall I was hoping jumping up a model would leave that issue alone.
post #6618 of 13986
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

I just tried it while watching 24p using 96hz option with motion smoother to weak, and I could see lip sync. I am going through a soundbar so not sure if that would cause it, but for now it's going to stay off for anything but when watching TV through my cable box, and of course I will only enable it when watching sports. I watched MNF on ESPN the other day with the motion smoother on, but frankly couldn't see much of a difference with it on or off. I just tested again and with smoother on Weak, definite visible lip sync, with it off, no lip sync issues.

I also notice immediately latency issues with my mouse on my HTPC when I move around the screen, there is very visible lag with it on. With it off, no such issues. This is probably why when you enable Game mode, it grays out (turns off) the motion smoother. For now it will be turned on only for sporting events when watched through my cable box.

I don't test for lip sync, since for now, I just use the TV speakers, and don't have any issues there. When I use my Dolby Headphone device for headphone use (I'm a huge headphone guy), I can hear a discrepancy in timing between the Tv speakers and the headphones, but it's still within a small margin of error where I won't notice a lip sync issue.

Motion Smoother set to Weak is always beneficial to the picture, as long as it doesn't add any dejudder. Problem is, it depends on the signal/source.

So far, my unscientific test results:

Motion Smoother on Weak:

GOOD (no dejudder/soap opera effect):

Blu-ray at 96hz

Video Games that run at 30fps (albeit it adds a lot of input lag, so choose wisely. Some games don't require precise timing)

Anything running at 60fps like certain video games, sports, news, live tv. 60fps is judder free, so there is no difference even if you have Motion Smoother maxed out.

Amazon Instant Video (Tested some Lost episodes running at 1080p, and could not see soap opera effect/dejudder. HOWEVER, it seems to raise perceived framerate from 24fps to something closer to 30fps, which looks slightly smoother, but has no soap opera effect. This one is up to the user.


BAD (dejudder/soap opera effect kicks in):

Blu Ray playing at 60hz
3D Blu Ray playing at 60hz

UNSURE (need more testing and unsure if the effect maintains a film like appearance or an unnatural one):

3D Blu Ray with 96hz. On 96hz 3D playback, it doesn't exactly have dejudder, but the perceived framerate rises up to something above 30fps, and is between being filmlike and soap opera like. I need more testing to confirm.


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Originally Posted by bern43 View Post

So did both of your ST30s and your VT60 do this also? Just trying to figure out if others have this happen.

Yes, both the ST30s I owned had the same exact mal-discharge which was a lot more noticable than the VT60s. The VT60's mal-discharge is pretty minimal and never problematic. The worst cases of it on the ST30 were on whites. For example, playing a video game that ran at 60fps with clouds in the sky. If you panned the camera around, you could see the phospor trails in the white clouds easily on the ST30s. The VT60 has it too, but it's sooooo minimal, and you'd have to pan very quickly to really notice it. really, it's a non-issue 99% of the time, and only when you look for it will you see it. it's really mostly gonna show up on 60fps content. 24/30fps content with it's inherent judder will break up the pan enough to not show those phospor trails as easily, if at all.
Edited by Raven Crimson - 11/13/13 at 9:40pm
post #6619 of 13986
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I hear what you mean but I only have one source which is my ps3 blu ray player...I'm wondering for other sources like once I get a home system and cable box. Just haven't had the time with school and work. And I am enjoying every bit but want the knowledge so I know what to adjust and why I am doing so which in turn would go back toy original question...TV, source, or is it a combo of two separate issues?

I only ask because I haven't seen this issue come up in this thread yet as long as I've been reading it but I have seen it very prominent in the ST 60 thread which is why I did not go with that model plus the lag issues.

Overall I was hoping jumping up a model would leave that issue alone.
Its nothing that cant be fixed in one way or another if it ever does become an issue. Not a reason to return the tv because you might have a problem in the future.
post #6620 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

Wow, I didn't know that! Here's another way to do it but it requires going into service mode (no biggie):

The user menu only shows the hours while the service menu shows the hours and minutes.

I'm glad there's another way besides going into the service menu to view the hours.

I'd hate to see someone brick their tv with a wrong button press.
post #6621 of 13986
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

The user menu only shows the hours while the service menu shows the hours and minutes.

I'm glad there's another way besides going into the service menu to view the hours.

I'd hate to see someone brick their tv with a wrong button press.

Agreed.

If you do go into the service menu, run a video camera so if you by mistake you change something that you shouldn't, you can find your way back to it.
post #6622 of 13986

me too,I cannot wait so see it in person in a dedicated room with less light. Thanks for the posting Adam.thank you

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post #6623 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Raven Crimson View Post



Yes, both the ST30s I owned had the same exact mal-discharge which was a lot more noticable than the VT60s. The VT60's mal-discharge is pretty minimal and never problematic. The worst cases of it on the ST30 were on whites. For example, playing a video game that ran at 60fps with clouds in the sky. If you panned the camera around, you could see the phospor trails in the white clouds easily on the ST30s. The VT60 has it too, but it's sooooo minimal, and you'd have to pan very quickly to really notice it. really, it's a non-issue 99% of the time, and only when you look for it will you see it. it's really mostly gonna show up on 60fps content. 24/30fps content with it's inherent judder will break up the pan enough to not show those phospor trails as easily, if at all.

Good to know I'm not alone. Do you also see it on the screen wipe? If I'm close to the screen I can see two or three pixels in the white area almost stuck for a brief moment after the black bar passes. Doesn't seem to happen all the time. So far I don't notice anything strange in normal viewing. My old Pioneer 950HD didn't show this at all though. Any one else notice this? Just curious how common this is with these sets.
Edited by bern43 - 11/14/13 at 6:41am
post #6624 of 13986
I just got my first Plasma, a 55VT60 and can't wait to get it delivered.

But before I get it and start asking a bunch of ignorant questions about what I should do rolleyes.gif, is there a "getting started" type thread or posting of what I should do to get going? Run these slides, callibrate, find someone to calibrate biggrin.gif, set these basic recommended settings, etc...

??

I realized a lot of this is probably in this thread somewhere, but perusing 6,000+ entries that are not easily coordinated doesn't seem like much fun...

Thanks for any ideas.
post #6625 of 13986
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Originally Posted by eemc2 View Post

I just got my first Plasma, a 55VT60 and can't wait to get it delivered.

But before I get it and start asking a bunch of ignorant questions about what I should do rolleyes.gif, is there a "getting started" type thread or posting of what I should do to get going? Run these slides, callibrate, find someone to calibrate biggrin.gif, set these basic recommended settings, etc...

??

I realized a lot of this is probably in this thread somewhere, but perusing 6,000+ entries that are not easily coordinated doesn't seem like much fun...

Thanks for any ideas.

Prepare home for delivery. Move furniture or whatever to make the delivery guys jobs easier.
Inspect TV with flash light once they put the stand on and place it on your TV stand. Check for scratches, dings, gashes whatever. (DO NOT FEED THE DELIVERY GUYS ICE CREAM SANDWICHES while you are doing this)
Have your USB flash drive loaded with DNice's slides.
Turn on TV
Skip all the setting up stuff.
Plug in USB Drive
On remote click on SD/USB > OK > Red button > OK
Watch slides and check for any dead pixels etc...

Afterwards set picture mode to CUSTOM and run the slides for 100 hours plus or only watch full screen content, this is totally up to you based on what you read here and what you decide to do.
post #6626 of 13986
I’ll give this a go here but I’m not sure if this is the correct form to ask the question. I’m in the process of setting my new tv, TC-P65VT60 . I have an Anthem Statement D2 processor handling all the video processing. I don’t really understand the difference between 1080p/24hz, 1080p/60hz ect. I couldn’t find in the manual (I admit, I hate manuals and quickly lose interest) what I should choose as my output settings in the processor.

Like I said I don’t really understand it. Is one better than the other? What should I choose to send to the display? Does it matter?

I have satellite receiver, Oppo BD93, Xbox 360 (soon to be Xbox One) and Apple TV all going through the D2 for processing then off to the display?

Clarification or a recommendation would be appreciated.
post #6627 of 13986
Film is sot at 23.976 frames per second or most nearly 24 Hz.

Video is shot at 59.94 frames per second or most nearly 60 Hz unless it is European PAL in which case it is 50 Hz.
post #6628 of 13986
Thanks.

So you would recomend setting up the D2 to output at 1080p/24? Should I do that for each source? Oppo 1080p/24 and Xbox 1080p/24.
post #6629 of 13986
Doesn't it automatically set the output based on the source? My HTPC does this as I switch from 60 Hz US Cable TV to a Blu-ray rip at 24 Hz.
Edited by Sammy2 - 11/14/13 at 8:31am
post #6630 of 13986
I'm sure I can use auto. I know I can also pick specific settings. This is where the confusion comes in. Is one better than the other? By the sounds of it automatic is the way to go.
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