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post #6631 of 13990
If auto doesn’t select the correct frame rate pick the one matching the source which for Blu-ray is almost always 24Hz. It will say on the box usually. Some are 60Hz but not many.
post #6632 of 13990
So is Status4 under the HELP menu setting the number of hours I have on the TV?

B0167-00000

I assume that's 167 hours?

I assume so, as 3 hours ago, it was B0164...
post #6633 of 13990
IIR, mine went for A to B at the same time it went to 100 hours. I am not sure why though.
post #6634 of 13990
Just checked mine. 0C615. Don't know when it switched to C.
post #6635 of 13990
First I'd like to thank everyone for the invaluable info I've picked up in this thread and several others - and I have a question that I couldn't find much info on when searching the thread (and what I have found seems ambiguous at best, no offense intended)...

Basically it boils down to this - I'm likely picking up my 65" VT60 tonight and then waiting in line for my PS4 pre-order smile.gif Is it a bad idea to go home, unbox/inspect everything and then plug in the PS4 and start gaming away and/or watching movies? Do I need to run slides for 100 hours before I can do *anything* with the set?

I've read several threads that say the "100 Hour Rule" is not necessary and it's not proven to reduce or help prevent IR. Others have said that everything in moderation for the first 100 hours is completely sufficient (a couple hours of gaming, a couple hours of TV, a couple hours of movies) and as long as you vary your activities this will suffice. Obviously as excited as I am to get this display along with my PS4, I don't *want* to run 100 hours of slides on the thing while my PS4 beckons me from across the room lol; but if it's absolutely required then by all means I'll do it.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have implemented the 100 Hour Rule and those of you who did not - would just like to get some opinions on what the best route to take would be. Thanks!
post #6636 of 13990
I have been gaming with mine since I've first opened it. I just enjoy the tv. What I do is use it when I'm home, turn it off when I sleep (the tv is in my room), and run the slides when I work, or when I'm not using the tv. Has been used mostly for gaming and some Lost episodes, and I have zero IR.
post #6637 of 13990
I'm jealous - I have all the seasons of 'Lost' on Blu-Ray and I bet it looks absolutely *amazing* on that TV! smile.gif

Running the slides all day when I'm at work sounds like a good idea - and it's ok to let it just cycle through those for 8-9 hours a day, followed by regular usage in the evenings?
post #6638 of 13990
Mine is just fine running the slides during the day while at work and actually enjoying it at night when I am home.

ENJOY your TV.
post #6639 of 13990
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Originally Posted by HalcyonJedi View Post

First I'd like to thank everyone for the invaluable info I've picked up in this thread and several others - and I have a question that I couldn't find much info on when searching the thread (and what I have found seems ambiguous at best, no offense intended)...

Basically it boils down to this - I'm likely picking up my 65" VT60 tonight and then waiting in line for my PS4 pre-order smile.gif Is it a bad idea to go home, unbox/inspect everything and then plug in the PS4 and start gaming away and/or watching movies? Do I need to run slides for 100 hours before I can do *anything* with the set?

I've read several threads that say the "100 Hour Rule" is not necessary and it's not proven to reduce or help prevent IR. Others have said that everything in moderation for the first 100 hours is completely sufficient (a couple hours of gaming, a couple hours of TV, a couple hours of movies) and as long as you vary your activities this will suffice. Obviously as excited as I am to get this display along with my PS4, I don't *want* to run 100 hours of slides on the thing while my PS4 beckons me from across the room lol; but if it's absolutely required then by all means I'll do it.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have implemented the 100 Hour Rule and those of you who did not - would just like to get some opinions on what the best route to take would be. Thanks!

You have to take that statement about the slides not being proven to do anything as you would a statement about B Vitamin supplements not being approved by the FDA to do anything. I guarantee you that if you took enough B12, they'd do something.

I'll give you my take on it. What you decide to do with the first 100 hours or so of your TV has a potential to impact how your panel will look for the rest of it's life. During those first 100 hours the phosphors are burning hotter then normal and getting situated if you will, that is why it is important to run the slides and ensure that each and every phosphor gets situated at exactly the same rate, so that further down the line, when you calibrate your TV, the image in the center of the screen has the same exact quality as the image on the lower left corner (just as an example).

Now because those phosphors are burning a lot hotter then normal during the first 100, your biggest enemy is a static image, and I hate to break it to you but nothing has more bright static images then video games, so IMO, gaming is a big no no during the first 100 or so. Again, this is just my opinion.

I know at first it seems like 100 hours is a long time and I too was desperate to watch blu rays, play games, etc when I first got my VT60, but those 100 hours will go by a lot quicker then you think and once they are over, you will have the peace of mind that you did the best you could to get the best image quality out of your TV for as long as you have it.
post #6640 of 13990
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Originally Posted by DasRetroKid View Post

You have to take that statement about the slides not being proven to do anything as you would a statement about B Vitamin supplements not being approved by the FDA to do anything. I guarantee you that if you took enough B12, they'd do something.

I'll give you my take on it. What you decide to do with the first 100 hours or so of your TV has a potential to impact how your panel will look for the rest of it's life. During those first 100 hours the phosphors are burning hotter then normal and getting situated if you will, that is why it is important to run the slides and ensure that each and every phosphor gets situated at exactly the same rate, so that further down the line, when you calibrate your TV, the image in the center of the screen has the same exact quality as the image on the lower left corner (just as an example).

Now because those phosphors are burning a lot hotter then normal during the first 100, your biggest enemy is a static image, and I hate to break it to you but nothing has more bright static images then video games, so IMO, gaming is a big no no during the first 100 or so. Again, this is just my opinion.

I know at first it seems like 100 hours is a long time and I too was desperate to watch blu rays, play games, etc when I first got my VT60, but those 100 hours will go by a lot quicker then you think and once they are over, you will have the peace of mind that you did the best you could to get the best image quality out of your TV for as long as you have it.



I appreciate the feedback and recommendations - but then wouldn't watching normal TV run the same risks? I'd venture to say that watching an entire Sunday afternoon of football would have more static images than a video game. I'm not trying to argue one way or another, I'm just curious to see what others have done and whether or not the 100 hours is overkill/paranoia (which is understandable with an almost $3000 display) or if it really matters in the grand scheme of things. I have a rather large walk-in closet in my bedroom, I can simply set the TV up in there where it is out of the way (and I wouldn't be tempted to use it) and let the slides run all day while I'm at work.

I guess in the end that it only matters to the individual owner of the display?
post #6641 of 13990
Being an AV Science forum where's the science behind it?
post #6642 of 13990
^ - respectfully disagree on the content watch during first 100 hours. As an owner of a plasmas since 2004 I would just be smart and not play a video game that has some sort of static status bar, etc. in the same spot on the screen for 3 or 4 hours at a time. Running the slides during down or away time is a easy/smart way to put some hours on your display. I ran the slides like that and watched what I wanted when I got my VT including a letterbox movie about 30 minutes after turning it on and adjusting the display setttings eek.gif
Just be smart, don't take the horror stories too seriously that you see on these threads. If it was as IR and other things were as bad as we can make them seem on this thread plasma would have died an earlier death. I would also suggest running slides so you can to get the panel up to over 300 hours, you can then dial in the settings, get a pro calibration. Most seem to agree that 300 hours is when the panel settles down at least for the next few years. I have had mine since May, no IR issues and it still seems to be improving as I add hours beyond 300. Save up for a calibration - highly recommend it unless you are a DIYer and have software/meter(s). Enjoy your new display!
post #6643 of 13990
@ halcyonjedi: When I got my tv I switched it to the PRO settings so I could have pixel orbiter on and cranked up contrast to 93, brightness +6, mid panel brightness. I like it a little better than THX. Watched sunday FB(two weekends so far) and a couple letterbox movies and never saw a hint of Image retention. Every panel may be different but SO FAR mine seems fine. We are still going to be careful with static images but the black bars seem to be less of a worry on my ST30 so I'll go with that for now. This tv gets a lot of tv show viewing so the percentage of static images will be small. YMMV
post #6644 of 13990
Is it worthwhile getting a reasonably priced 5 year warranty with the Panasonic VT60 series?
post #6645 of 13990
Can I change the settings to CNET's or DNice's recomendations right out of the box? Or is that only after the 100-300 hours of usage?
Edited by HalcyonJedi - 11/14/13 at 1:49pm
post #6646 of 13990
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Originally Posted by HalcyonJedi View Post

I guess in the end that it only matters to the individual owner of the display?

That's right. For me personally running the slides 24/7 for like 4 or 5 days to age the panel wasn't overkill, but to others it is. It's all completely up to you. I did the full 100 hour break in and now do everything from game, to 4x3 content, to blu's whatever and I have zero IR or issues. Is it possible that it would be just the same had I not done the break in? Absolutely, but I guess for me piece of mind was a priority, as is wanting the best possible results when I get my panel pro calibrated, which is the main reason for running the slides (according to everything I have read).

Keep in mind that when watching TV the static image will go away during commercials, where as an in game static image like ruby count, an items list, or a health bar will not depending on what you are playing.
post #6647 of 13990
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Originally Posted by HalcyonJedi View Post

Can I change the settings to CNET's or DNice's recomendations right out of the box? Or is that only after the 100-300 hours of usage?


I answered my own question after digging a bit on the ControlCal forums:

From Turbe (Senior Member/Professional Supporter) on ControlCal:

"If you are just interested in following D-Nice's procedure and using his posted settings, you skip #2 in your post above:

1. Run Slides for 100 hours the second I turn on the TV for the first time.
2. Plug in all of D-Nice's calibration settings
3. Watch normal content

If you are getting a professional calibration, it is recommended you wait and schedule the appointment with your Calibrator until you have at least 250-300 hours total on your 2013 Panasonic 60 Series Model."



Is it safe to let the display run for 100 consecutive hours, or should I break it up into chunks with the set being turned off during the downtime?

Also - if I am going to use all of DNice's settings, are those only accessible if I'm using ControlCal or through the service/ISF menu? Or are his recommended settings all accessible through the normal settings menus on the TV?
Edited by HalcyonJedi - 11/14/13 at 2:40pm
post #6648 of 13990
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Originally Posted by DasRetroKid View Post

That's right. For me personally running the slides 24/7 for like 4 or 5 days to age the panel wasn't overkill, but to others it is. It's all completely up to you. I did the full 100 hour break in and now do everything from game, to 4x3 content, to blu's whatever and I have zero IR or issues. Is it possible that it would be just the same had I not done the break in? Absolutely, but I guess for me piece of mind was a priority, as is wanting the best possible results when I get my panel pro calibrated, which is the main reason for running the slides (according to everything I have read).

Keep in mind that when watching TV the static image will go away during commercials, where as an in game static image like ruby count, an items list, or a health bar will not depending on what you are playing.


And I guess it comes down to patience smile.gif My theater room in my basement is currently under contruction, so I wouldn't be able to mount the TV on the wall until middle or end of next week at the earliest. I have a large walk-in closet in my bedroom that stays cool, I could just set it up in there and let the slides run for the next several days to get my 100 hours in; but at the same time having that glorious box sitting there along with my PS4 is incredibly tempting since I can just set the display on my fireplace mantle upstairs for the time being until the downstairs is done.

My old Samsung 67A750 is in my bedroom and is still kicking ass even though it's coming up on 7-8 years old, I guess it will work for my PS4 for a few days smile.gif
post #6649 of 13990
A number of us ran our displays for 300 hours straight. I highly recommend running the set continuously for whatever period of time you are comfortable with, its a great stress test for the set and helps in making sure everything is as it should be while you are still within your return window. I wanted to get the hours up on my set during the time it could go back as an additional check beyond what we all do when we first unpack them.
post #6650 of 13990
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

A number of us ran our displays for 300 hours straight. I highly recommend running the set continuously for whatever period of time you are comfortable with, its a great stress test for the set and helps in making sure everything is as it should be while you are still within your return window. I wanted to get the hours up on my set during the time it could go back as an additional check beyond what we all do when we first unpack them.


Thank you for the info - I may actually do that and just leave it going to get 100+ hours on the test slides since it will be mid to late next week before I can even think about getting it mounted on the wall. I just realized that 300 consecutive hours is almost 13 days straight... LOL That really puts no stress or hurts the display going *that* long without being powered off?
post #6651 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Mine doesn't look grey. You must have something wrong in the way it is set up. How about the HDMI levels? What is the source that you are using?
I am using direct tv and my Hdmi is set to 16-235. Is that what it is supposed to be set to? I also have it on custom with the brightness at -15. Any thoughts? I didn't try cnet or DNices settings yet.
post #6652 of 13990
Set the TV to whatever output is generated by the STB. If the STB doesn't say then 16-235 probably is what it is.
post #6653 of 13990
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Originally Posted by HalcyonJedi View Post


[snip]

Also - if I am going to use all of DNice's settings, are those only accessible if I'm using ControlCal or through the service/ISF menu? Or are his recommended settings all accessible through the normal settings menus on the TV?

Menu > Setup > Professional mode (Isfccc) >> ON to activate the Professional modes. There is no need to use ControlCAL or to enter the service menu.

Larry
post #6654 of 13990
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post

I am using direct tv and my Hdmi is set to 16-235. Is that what it is supposed to be set to? I also have it on custom with the brightness at -15. Any thoughts? I didn't try cnet or DNices settings yet.

Some Directv receivers have trouble with the EDID transmission to the TV. The 24-500 is a notorious model. Try the Nonstandard setting. If the Brighrness then looks correct at a setting about 0 to +5 or 6, leave it there.

Larry
post #6655 of 13990
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Originally Posted by HalcyonJedi View Post

Thank you for the info - I may actually do that and just leave it going to get 100+ hours on the test slides since it will be mid to late next week before I can even think about getting it mounted on the wall. I just realized that 300 consecutive hours is almost 13 days straight... LOL That really puts no stress or hurts the display going *that* long without being powered off?

If anything, leaving the set on continuously is probably better for it. It makes sense to me that the on/off cycling is what hurts electronics more as the tiny circuits expand and contract with heating (on) and cooling (off). Think of all the computers and displays running 24/7 at airports.

There's that light bulb that's over a hundred years old that has only ever been turned off a handful of times. However that may just give more of a nod to how things were built better in those days. wink.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Light
post #6656 of 13990
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Originally Posted by HalcyonJedi View Post

Thank you for the info - I may actually do that and just leave it going to get 100+ hours on the test slides since it will be mid to late next week before I can even think about getting it mounted on the wall. I just realized that 300 consecutive hours is almost 13 days straight... LOL That really puts no stress or hurts the display going *that* long without being powered off?

If anything, leaving the set on continuously is probably better for it. It makes sense to me that the on/off cycling is what hurts electronics more as the tiny circuits expand and contract with heating (on) and cooling (off). Think of all the computers and displays running 24/7 at airports.

There's that light bulb that's over a hundred years old that has only ever been turned off a handful of times. However that may just give more of a nod to how things were built better in those days. wink.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Light

And it would be dead if it were turned off and on I think.
post #6657 of 13990
Just got the 65vt60 and have run into a snag. I can't change anything in SCREEN SETTINGS and ADVANCED PICTURE..options are grayed out. What am I doing wrong?
post #6658 of 13990
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Originally Posted by HalcyonJedi View Post

I'm jealous - I have all the seasons of 'Lost' on Blu-Ray and I bet it looks absolutely *amazing* on that TV! smile.gif

Running the slides all day when I'm at work sounds like a good idea - and it's ok to let it just cycle through those for 8-9 hours a day, followed by regular usage in the evenings?
There are some that feel break in is a waist of electricity. To each his own though.
post #6659 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

There are some that feel break in is a waist of electricity. To each his own though.

Yep. wink.gif
post #6660 of 13990
Question about the Costco SquareTrade warranty you can buy: Anyone can buy this right, even if you didn't buy the TV at Costco? Thanks.
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