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post #7111 of 13990
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Originally Posted by mbartok View Post

It is a serious question. You stated that others should check the display upon delivery with a flash light while the truck driver watches. I am curious how this is done if you are the only one around to greet the driver and accept delivery. I guess you answered the question; your buddy hangs around with you to meet the truck driver and helps you unbox the display to inspect it.

To check the display you just need to remove the 4 plastic side handles and lift the box. Just remove the center of the plastic and the outer part will fall out. Then just lift the top of the box. Now the tv is sitting in the packing foam and you can get to the power cord. Have an SD card or an HDMI cable ready with a source or just power it on and you can see if it works. Then get some help to lift it out of the box. Maybe you can give the driver a twenty and he can help.
post #7112 of 13990
Just needing a "sanity" check.

I have about 1000 hours on my VT60 or more. Did the slides up until 250 hours, did my own calibration with the iPro3 around 500 hours and couldn't be happier, no problems what so ever. Professional 1 mid panel brightness and contrast around 60. Never a sign of IR not even in the slightest from watching a few hours of CNN etc, this would be my first time experiencing it but its pretty bad.

Yesterday afternoon I watched 2 football games on Fox back to back, with the occasional flip in between something I usually do. To my surprise, the entire score logo is now "burned in" or is "IR" on the bottom of my screen from left to right with the fox logo the most visible on the far right. It is in a reddish color. I watched some shows last night and noticed it somewhat but not to distracting besides knowing it was there. I have been running the slides all night and its still there, can someone at least confirm that after a week or so of slides it should disappear? I really thought after the 1,000 hour mark it would be much rarer to get this, hopefully im freaking out over nothing.
Edited by sfitzger - 11/25/13 at 5:37am
post #7113 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sfitzger View Post

Just needing a "sanity" check.

I have about 1000 hours on my VT60 or more. Did the slides up until 250 hours, did my own calibration with the iPro3 around 500 hours and couldn't be happier, no problems what so ever. Professional 1 mid panel brightness and contrast around 60. Never a sign of IR not even in the slightest from watching a few hours of CNN etc, this would be my first time experiencing it but its pretty bad.

Yesterday afternoon I watched 2 football games on Fox back to back, with the occasional flip in between something I usually do. To my surprise, the entire score logo is now "burned in" or is "IR" on the bottom of my screen from left to right with the fox logo the most visible on the far right. It is in a reddish color. I watched some shows last night and noticed it somewhat but not to distracting besides knowing it was there. I have been running the slides all night and its still there, can someone at least confirm that after a week or so of slides it should disappear? I really thought after the 1,000 hour mark it would be much rarer to get this, hopefully im freaking out over nothing.

It's IR or at the most persistent IR. You can't get burn-in from 6 hours of nfl games. It'll go away in time if you vary the content which you will since you can only watch the NFL games on fox once a week. wink.gif

Some have had good success running slides while in Vivid mode with Contrast and Color at 100 (I know contrast is at 100 by default but not color) for a few hours. Note I wouldn't go to this extreme since you will put unneeded wear and tear since you'll be driving those phosphors at max capacity and will reduce the age of the panel possibly. Now if you played a game for say 50 hours and had a static hud and after say 2 weeks of watching different content (not the same game with same HUD) it is still there, then I would suggest running slides or a pixel flipper/jogger while in Vivid at 100 contrast/color.
post #7114 of 13990
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

The VT60 properly calibrated will be a nice step above those CRTs in terms of detail, resolution, contrast, and color accuracy - probably will fall short in terms of absolute black.
Size, largest tube TV was 40". Wall mountable and a big weight difference too. Way more pros than cons.

--Heck go with an OLED and there are 0 cos. OLED has better black levels than a CRT.
post #7115 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sfitzger View Post

Just needing a "sanity" check.

I have about 1000 hours on my VT60 or more. Did the slides up until 250 hours, did my own calibration with the iPro3 around 500 hours and couldn't be happier, no problems what so ever. Professional 1 mid panel brightness and contrast around 60. Never a sign of IR not even in the slightest from watching a few hours of CNN etc, this would be my first time experiencing it but its pretty bad.

Yesterday afternoon I watched 2 football games on Fox back to back, with the occasional flip in between something I usually do. To my surprise, the entire score logo is now "burned in" or is "IR" on the bottom of my screen from left to right with the fox logo the most visible on the far right. It is in a reddish color. I watched some shows last night and noticed it somewhat but not to distracting besides knowing it was there. I have been running the slides all night and its still there, can someone at least confirm that after a week or so of slides it should disappear? I really thought after the 1,000 hour mark it would be much rarer to get this, hopefully im freaking out over nothing.

The same thing happened to me yesterday. I am using custom mode with contrast at 85 for about 35 ftL. Try setting the sleep switch for 60 or 90 minutes when you're done viewing for the evening and run the screen wiper.

If you want to use something besides the screen wiper or color slides to remove IR, get a copy of the Disney WOW disk and use the pixel flipper. That seems to work better than the screen wiper or slides in my experience. It supposedly turns each pixel on and off over 20 times a second.

But as others have said it should eventually fade if you watch other programming. It'll be gone by the time you watch the games Thursday, and then you can start all over again to get rid of it!
post #7116 of 13990

Could someone answer my question in post on the last page, I would like to know if I have a bad unit or this is just how this tv handles these sources. IT's pretty disappointing to get a referance tv with such high reviews and then have look worse then a 12 year old lcd monitor. 

 

I would probobly say that I game more then I watch movies so it's kinda a deal breaker for me. 

 

Please someone give me some insight.

 

Is it...

 

judder

jitter

motion blur

streaking

post #7117 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Size, largest tube TV was 40". Wall mountable and a big weight difference too. Way more pros than cons.

--Heck go with an OLED and there are 0 cos. OLED has better black levels than a CRT.

How is the motion on the OLED? I still cannot justify the cost nor the curved screen. I also wonder how well they hold their calibration over time.
post #7118 of 13990
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

It's IR or at the most persistent IR. You can't get burn-in from 6 hours of nfl games. It'll go away in time if you vary the content which you will since you can only watch the NFL games on fox once a week. wink.gif

Some have had good success running slides while in Vivid mode with Contrast and Color at 100 (I know contrast is at 100 by default but not color) for a few hours. Note I wouldn't go to this extreme since you will put unneeded wear and tear since you'll be driving those phosphors at max capacity and will reduce the age of the panel possibly. Now if you played a game for say 50 hours and had a static hud and after say 2 weeks of watching different content (not the same game with same HUD) it is still there, then I would suggest running slides or a pixel flipper/jogger while in Vivid at 100 contrast/color.

I'm amazed that this is happening and it seems like no big deal that it is happening. I have (2) VT25s, used the break in sldes, and I've never had any IR or screen burn. Is this more common on the VT60? It almost sounds like it??
Edited by Codeman00 - 11/25/13 at 7:48am
post #7119 of 13990
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

How is the motion on the OLED? I still cannot justify the cost nor the curved screen. I also wonder how well they hold their calibration over time.
Wrong thread
post #7120 of 13990
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Originally Posted by KnoellAlex View Post

Help! I bought this TV because it was raved as having the best picture. Now I know you all love the VT60 for a reason, but I am just not seeing it. So please tell me I am doing something wrong, because you all can't be wrong. My cousins 3-5 year old Vizio looks better downstairs for most everything we watch. We don't watch many Blu-ray discs. However for games, cable, and streaming movies, his looks better. How can this be?

What can I do to make the picture better? I know to get the most out of it, I should have it professionally calibrated after 300 hours, but he never had his calibrated. So I feel like mine should look clearly better out of the box.

Can someone help me here?

What kind of cable are you using between your cable box and tv?
post #7121 of 13990
Hey I just got a vt60 2 weeks ago and its AMAZING... one issue I am having though is Netflix not streaming in HD.

When I connect to the netflix App it only shows stereo as the audio and then streams that to to the receiver through PCM (HDMI ARC) and 384 SD resolution... Any ideas? I've tried using wifi and a wired ethernet connection and my internet speed is 25mbs down 20 mbs up...

Help please lol.
post #7122 of 13990
"Originally Posted by KnoellAlex View Post

Help! I bought this TV because it was raved as having the best picture. Now I know you all love the VT60 for a reason, but I am just not seeing it. So please tell me I am doing something wrong, because you all can't be wrong. My cousins 3-5 year old Vizio looks better downstairs for most everything we watch. We don't watch many Blu-ray discs. However for games, cable, and streaming movies, his looks better. How can this be?

What can I do to make the picture better? I know to get the most out of it, I should have it professionally calibrated after 300 hours, but he never had his calibrated. So I feel like mine should look clearly better out of the box.

Can someone help me here?

What kind of cable are you using between your cable box and tv?"

I can offer you my experience which is similar to yours...First, Is your cousin's Vizio a plasma or LCD/LED? The reason I asked is when I first got the VT60, I had already gone thru two Samsung LEDs. I couldn't stand the side to side fading and the picture just wasn't that great. Additionally, I would see low end Vizios in a bar I go to and they looked great. I couldn't figure it all out but I decided to try the VT60. At first, it was different from what I was used to but it grew on me. And now I wouldn't have anything else-the reasons? Because, unlike the Vizios, it doesn't jump right out and say, LOOK AT ME! Its a more subtle picture. And as you watch your's more, and tweak things, you may have same experience as me-it just seemed to grow on me. Now when I see the Vizios in the bar, I think, "Yeah, nice try but you're a fake." This is totally my experience. But I would say be patient and don't give up. Give it a month or so. I also wouldn't jump to a calibration out of desperation. You may just get to the point where you decide, "Why?"
post #7123 of 13990
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Originally Posted by pr3dict View Post

Hey I just got a vt60 2 weeks ago and its AMAZING... one issue I am having though is Netflix not streaming in HD.

When I connect to the netflix App it only shows stereo as the audio and then streams that to to the receiver through PCM (HDMI ARC) and 384 SD resolution... Any ideas? I've tried using wifi and a wired ethernet connection and my internet speed is 25mbs down 20 mbs up...

Help please lol.
Do you get Netflix in HD on all your other devices? Have you always gotten Netflix in HD before?
You will only get 2.0 to your receiver using ARC with the Viera Netflix app. If you run an optical cable from the tv to your receiver then you can get 5.1 from the Viera internal apps.
post #7124 of 13990
Log into your Netflix account to double check what you have under 'playback settings' .
post #7125 of 13990
Hey, I have to make the obligatory but useless post of "I'm getting my 65VT60 tomorrow!" I am however very excited to get my yellow-blob affected VT50 swapped out for a new VT60. Quick question: are D-Nice's ST60 settings the ones that everyone is using on their VT60 or is there another post buried in the 2013 Settings thread with VT60 specific settings? Many thanks.
post #7126 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Codeman00 View Post

I'm amazed that this is happening and it seems like no big deal that it is happening. I have (2) VT25s, used the break in sldes, and I've never had any IR or screen burn. Is this more common on the VT60? It almost sounds like it??

Between me and my family, we've had 2 VT10s, 3 VT25s, and a VT60. Break in slides were used on some but not others. I say 3 VT25s because one was exchanged because of IR after about a month of ownership and watching lots of baseball on Fox Sports Midwest. All were set to put out as close to 35ftL as possible. Every single one shows/showed the exact same amount of IR. I even inspected display models at the store and saw it.

I can't just be that unlucky. I would bet if I took the right test pattern and looked at all of these TV s that "don't" have it, I would see IR after 6 hours of football with score boxes, etc. It would very likely fade after a few hours of other programming, but it would be there.

What does absolutely vary from set to set is the owner's perception of IR and the extent to which it bothers them. It part of the deal when owning a Panasonic plasma and is no big deal as long as you're aware of it and are careful with the content.

I only keep commenting on this because I'm hoping to keep some people on here from continually retuning sets thinking if they see IR, the set is defective, and they'll get one that doesn't do it.

Not gonna happen based on my experience.
post #7127 of 13990
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Originally Posted by sfitzger View Post

Just needing a "sanity" check.

I have about 1000 hours on my VT60 or more. Did the slides up until 250 hours, did my own calibration with the iPro3 around 500 hours and couldn't be happier, no problems what so ever. Professional 1 mid panel brightness and contrast around 60. Never a sign of IR not even in the slightest from watching a few hours of CNN etc, this would be my first time experiencing it but its pretty bad.

Yesterday afternoon I watched 2 football games on Fox back to back, with the occasional flip in between something I usually do. To my surprise, the entire score logo is now "burned in" or is "IR" on the bottom of my screen from left to right with the fox logo the most visible on the far right. It is in a reddish color. I watched some shows last night and noticed it somewhat but not to distracting besides knowing it was there. I have been running the slides all night and its still there, can someone at least confirm that after a week or so of slides it should disappear? I really thought after the 1,000 hour mark it would be much rarer to get this, hopefully im freaking out over nothing.

Good grief. Every time I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on this set, I read posts like this. All the experts keep saying that IR isn't a real problem anymore, but it's obvious that people are still experiencing it. The idea that if you watch football for six hours that you'll have to deal with IR for a week is just ridiculous. I so want to get a plasma, this set in particular, to replace my Sony A3000 rear projection, but if this is something I'll have to deal with for the life of the set, that's just unacceptable.
post #7128 of 13990
Hmm so sad to hear about the arc not sending surround audio and I just checked the Netflix app on the xbox one and that is streaming SD also so I guess it's not just my TV which is annoying
post #7129 of 13990
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Originally Posted by lentiman View Post

Hey, I have to make the obligatory but useless post of "I'm getting my 65VT60 tomorrow!" I am however very excited to get my yellow-blob affected VT50 swapped out for a new VT60. Quick question: are D-Nice's ST60 settings the ones that everyone is using on their VT60 or is there another post buried in the 2013 Settings thread with VT60 specific settings? Many thanks.

He posted his settings in the controlcal forums. You have to join then download his settings .xml file to either open or use the software from the site.

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939

Larryinri posted his settings in this thread and there's some at cnet. I think you may be able to use sammy's settings posted in the ZT (?) thread.
post #7130 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Do you get Netflix in HD on all your other devices? Have you always gotten Netflix in HD before?
You will only get 2.0 to your receiver using ARC with the Viera Netflix app. If you run an optical cable from the tv to your receiver then you can get 5.1 from the Viera internal apps.

I'm not sure about the audio comment here. Apparently ARC/HDMI is capable of passing 5.1 audio. So, are you saying this is a Panasonic thing? See: http://hdguru.com/hdmi-audio-return-channel-arc-for-your-hdtv-explained/
post #7131 of 13990
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Originally Posted by paligap View Post

Good grief. Every time I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on this set, I read posts like this. All the experts keep saying that IR isn't a real problem anymore, but it's obvious that people are still experiencing it. The idea that if you watch football for six hours that you'll have to deal with IR for a week is just ridiculous. I so want to get a plasma, this set in particular, to replace my Sony A3000 rear projection, but if this is something I'll have to deal with for the life of the set, that's just unacceptable.

And a few posts that represent less than 1% (yes that is a safe assumption) of those who own a VT keep you from buying one of the best displays made this year - Good Grief!
post #7132 of 13990
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Originally Posted by mbartok View Post

It is a serious question. You stated that others should check the display upon delivery with a flash light while the truck driver watches. I am curious how this is done if you are the only one around to greet the driver and accept delivery. I guess you answered the question; your buddy hangs around with you to meet the truck driver and helps you unbox the display to inspect it.

The delivery guys offer two lift it up for inspection. They will not help with setup but will hold the panel for inspection. Plus white glove is suppose to key word suppose to be two people.
post #7133 of 13990
Anyone pick up PS4 or XBONE? Wondering how they are with the vt60
post #7134 of 13990
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

And a few posts that represent less than 1% (yes that is a safe assumption) of those who own a VT keep you from buying one of the best displays made this year - Good Grief!

On what basis do you make that assumption? I genuinely would like to know. If I can be convinced that fewer than 1 percent of VT60 owners experience any IR, I would buy this wonderful set in a second.
post #7135 of 13990
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Originally Posted by paligap View Post

On what basis do you make that assumption? I genuinely would like to know. If I can be convinced that fewer than 1 percent of VT60 owners experience any IR, I would buy this wonderful set in a second.

I agree that several posts here made me nervous about buying the VT60 but I bit the bullet last week. I've been wondering if the VT60 is more prone to IR than past Panasonic models and whether it's really a necessity to run the slides for the first 100 hours. I've had 3 other plasma TVs with the most recent being a VT25 and I've never had an issue with IR or burn-in, and I've never used the break in slides... just what I considered "common sense" regarding station logos, static images or letterboxed movies. Am I being totally naive thinking that this same approach will be safe with the VT60?
post #7136 of 13990
I have what could best be described as uneven wear from having football on my ZT60 (even after watching other content during the intervening weeks). It's the faint presence of a scoreboard (with slight variances in the brightness of the screen); not pronounced and barely visible, but being aware of its presence is enough to keep me jacked after a purchase of this size. The Disney WOW disc is on its way. I have already tried the wiper and the slides (though not with color at 100, which will likely be my next attempt). These have a 100,000 hour usable life (theoretically). I wouldn't worry about lifespan reduction too much. The fact that it needs to be done in the first place is certainly an irritant.
post #7137 of 13990
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Originally Posted by JayF View Post

I agree that several posts here made me nervous about buying the VT60 but I bit the bullet last week. I've been wondering if the VT60 is more prone to IR than past Panasonic models and whether it's really a necessity to run the slides for the first 100 hours. I've had 3 other plasma TVs with the most recent being a VT25 and I've never had an issue with IR or burn-in, and I've never used the break in slides... just what I considered "common sense" regarding station logos, static images or letterboxed movies. Am I being totally naive thinking that this same approach will be safe with the VT60?

First, I completely agree with the 1% comment above. And, no I don't have any statistical evidence-how could anyone?

Second, I've noticed no IR. And I haven't done any calibrations, D'nice silliness. I believe the best course of action is simply to watch TV and tweak till you like it. The rest to me is pretty subjective stuff...
post #7138 of 13990
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I have what could best be described as uneven wear from having football on my ZT60 (even after watching other content during the intervening weeks). It's the faint presence of a scoreboard (with slight variances in the brightness of the screen); not pronounced and barely visible, but being aware of its presence is enough to keep me jacked after a purchase of this size. The Disney WOW disc is on its way. I have already tried the wiper and the slides (though not with color at 100, which will likely be my next attempt). These have a 100,000 hour usable life (theoretically). I wouldn't worry about lifespan reduction too much. The fact that it needs to be done in the first place is certainly an irritant.

How long did you watch football?
post #7139 of 13990
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Originally Posted by pr3dict View Post

Hmm so sad to hear about the arc not sending surround audio and I just checked the Netflix app on the xbox one and that is streaming SD also so I guess it's not just my TV which is annoying
I thought that may be the case. Lots of people have problems with Netflix not being HD. Its a complicated thing. Netflix servers, ISP providers, how much demand at the time of day, etc. You may find that if you watch a movie at 2 am you get HD no problem. Call Netflix if you want but they will blame it on your ISP. If you call your ISP they will blame it on Netflix.
Btw I was wrong about ARC. It should provide 5.1.
Edited by Bond 007 - 11/25/13 at 11:54am
post #7140 of 13990
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Originally Posted by Scott Oakley View Post

I'm not sure about the audio comment here. Apparently ARC/HDMI is capable of passing 5.1 audio. So, are you saying this is a Panasonic thing? See: http://hdguru.com/hdmi-audio-return-channel-arc-for-your-hdtv-explained/
Good catch. Sometimes when trying to help 20 different people on 20 different threads at the same time I will make mistakes. ARC should provide 5.1.
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