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post #7621 of 13986
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So will the TV just slide into the stand before having to screw it in?

Yes, make sure the stand is on a sturdy flat surface. I had to tighten the V part that was attached to the base because one screw was slightly loose, so check those. It tilts ever so slightly forward when sitting on the base with no screws in. I just tightened a couple turns back and forth on the top 2 screws till it was tight and the slight tilt was gone. It will stay without screws as long as nothing crazy happens. I had my brother help me because I don't like being hurried and wanted to check it over well before putting things together.
post #7622 of 13986
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Originally Posted by flyinion View Post

Yeah not worried about input switching, and I do use a Logitech Harmony series remote so that's all handled automatically now (I think I had 5 remotes at one time!!). Yes I'll definitely be using HDMI to the TV for all video sources. I was just trying to understand if it would be a good idea to route the DVR and XBOX audio through the TV and back out the optical output or not. I wasn't sure if the TV would modify the audio in any way before sending it out or basically just pass it through. I also wasn't sure about Auto vs. PCM to make sure I get DD 5.1 audio passed out. The only thing that won't change for sure is the multi-channel analog audio outputs from my blu-ray will still be sent direct to the receiver so I can get the HD audio direct from the player. That stuff can't be passed over optical. The only choice is HDMI for the receiver to decode it or have the player decode it internally and send out over the multi-channel outputs (left, right , center, sub, etc.)

I could be wrong about this but if by "HD audio" you mean the new DTS and Dobly surround codecs, multi-channel analog cabling won't carry it and neither does optical. HDMI is the only way. Your BluRay's multi-channel audio is for just what it says: multi-channel, hence the five cables. Also, from what I've read (and its largely opinion I think), its usually preferable to have the source component do the decoding...Bottom line, I'd still try and find a way to buy a new AVR; they're very economical these days.
post #7623 of 13986
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Originally Posted by flyinion View Post

You could try turning it on "weak". I thought I read something at the CNet review about leaving it on weak was acceptable or maybe that was the NR, but it must have been for a different models because I can't find that in the review now.

Oops, found it, it was in the ZT60 review.........

Hi,
Where is the setting for Hz?

Thanks, Scott
post #7624 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Scott Oakley View Post


I could be wrong about this but if by "HD audio" you mean the new DTS and Dobly surround codecs, multi-channel analog cabling won't carry it and neither does optical. HDMI is the only way. Your BluRay's multi-channel audio is for just what it says: multi-channel, hence the five cables. Also, from what I've read (and its largely opinion I think), its usually preferable to have the source component do the decoding...Bottom line, I'd still try and find a way to buy a new AVR; they're very economical these days.

Analog individual cables (5.1, 7.1) will carry all advanced codecs if decoded by the source were the cables originate. I also read up on HDMI carrying loss-less audio from a source that decodes HD audio to a receiver that does not. With Linear PCM you will keep loss-less audio. See below:

 

However, don’t fret! You can still take advantage of lossless audio by switching over to Linear PCM rather than Bitstream. This is the ideal setting for the older (fat) PlayStation 3 models or basically for anyone that wants a granular level of control over audio formats. Since the PlayStation 3 is handling all the decoding, the Sony console can take a Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio audio stream, decode it and send a multi-channel, linear PCM stream to your receiver. Identical to the advanced formats, it’s completely lossless and will provide the best audio experience compared to lossy alternatives.

Can I post the link here?

post #7625 of 13986
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Originally Posted by flyinion View Post

Thanks, that settles that. I assume the same problem is not present if later on I have a new receiver and want to use the HDMI 2/ARC connection to pass audio out to the receiver? I.e. plug the blu-ray directly into HDMI 1 then run a cable from the HDMI 2/ARC connector to the receiver? .........................LOL wow ok well just did a quick search on ARC and it sounds like that creates a new problem of yes anything on the HDMI is passed out but internal apps still need an optical connection in the 60 series TV's. That was from May though so maybe it's been changed in an update though.

The ARC issue is long saga. In short, and with personal experience, I can offer you this. I have a June build VT60 (no fan noise, either). I have all sources connected to my AVR and an HDMI running from the AVR's HDMI (ARC) port to the HDMI 2(ARC) port and it works just fine. It took a lot of BS to get to that point, but it works. Therefore, despite a lot of posts to the contrary, its not always necessary to run a separate optical from TV to AVR.
post #7626 of 13986
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Originally Posted by FiveOhFour View Post

I saw someone else ask this and I don't believe there has been an answer but if there has my apologies in advance. Do we know what the new Firmware update for the VT60 entails? Is there any reason to not update it or hold out for now or is it safe to update? I know sometimes theres just no going back and you find a update completely changes something and am not sure if there is any such issue happening here or not.

I ran this update day before yesterday with no ill effects. I have absolutely no idea what it accomplished because there was one of those Chinese-interpreted broken English sentences listed that didn't make any sense. But again, I have had no problems. And I don't notice any differences anywhere...
post #7627 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Excellent upgrades, that's right, all your components running HDMI to receiver than one HDMI to TV. Make sure your cable box etc are all setup to 1080i-1080p. I heard the oppo has a very good upscaling capabilities as well that you can run your cable through for better upscaling of channels. Or you can use your awesome Denon receiver to do the job. wink.gif

Agreed - awesome upgrades. Lots of new stuff to learn!
post #7628 of 13986
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Can anyone tell me if 2 people can put the 65" together on the stand without laying it flat or would a third person be needed? Thanks!

Two people should be used in all cases. I also would HIGHLY recommend laying it down. Put the white plastic material down on the side of the TV's box and lay it on that. I wouldn't try to do it without laying it down-its a heavy mother...
post #7629 of 13986
I'm struggling to get ARC on my vt65 to work properly with my Denon 3312 receiver, which was setup perfectly with my old Toshiba LCD.

It's plugged into hdmi 2 and the turning off functionality is working - as in everything switches off when the TV is turned off. However when I turn the TV on the amp remains in standby, whilst the volume controls for the TV don't turn up the amp volume etc suggesting it's right synced right.

Any ideas?

All the hdmi controls in the amp settings appear to be set correctly and Viera Link settings are on for the TV.

I'm baffled!


edit - oh wait. Think I solved it. The Vieira tools menu on the Apps screen - switch speakers from TV to Home Cinema. Damn Panasonic for not including this in the main menu.
Edited by barongimpy - 12/5/13 at 6:01am
post #7630 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Scott Oakley View Post

Two people should be used in all cases. I also would HIGHLY recommend laying it down. Put the white plastic material down on the side of the TV's box and lay it on that. I wouldn't try to do it without laying it down-its a heavy mother...
Everything I have read always says to not lay a plasma down on it's side.

Ceva just called, won't have the TV till tomorrow. Glad I stayed home today for the delivery!!!!!!!!!
post #7631 of 13986
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Everything I have read always says to not lay a plasma down on it's side.

Ceva just called, won't have the TV till tomorrow. Glad I stayed home today for the delivery!!!!!!!!!

I stand corrected. See page 11: http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP55VT60.PDF.

However, a friend and I layed it down on its back just long enough to attach the stand. Apparently that was wrong but the way in the manual seemed sorta unstable to me. Anyway, I had no ill effects. If I had to do again, I'd probably just follow the manual...

Sorry for the confusion.
post #7632 of 13986
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Originally Posted by barongimpy View Post

I'm struggling to get ARC on my vt65 to work properly with my Denon 3312 receiver, which was setup perfectly with my old Toshiba LCD.

It's plugged into hdmi 2 and the turning off functionality is working - as in everything switches off when the TV is turned off. However when I turn the TV on the amp remains in standby, whilst the volume controls for the TV don't turn up the amp volume etc suggesting it's right synced right.

Any ideas?

All the hdmi controls in the amp settings appear to be set correctly and Viera Link settings are on for the TV.

I'm baffled!


edit - oh wait. Think I solved it. The Vieira tools menu on the Apps screen - switch speakers from TV to Home Cinema. Damn Panasonic for not including this in the main menu.

Right - this one got me too and was why it took me FOREVER to get things working correctly. Who would have guessed a Menu Setup command would be in Apps....cool.gif
post #7633 of 13986
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So will the TV just slide into the stand before having to screw it in?

I might offer the drivers some money to help set it up tomorrow so I won't need to wait for friends to come home from work to help out.

Do you guys usually tip the drivers either way?
You're correct. You'll assemble the stand first and then the TV just "drops" onto it. Once the TV's on the stand you secure it with screws. My first two 65VT60s were defective so my wife and I have done this several times. Also, don't lay the TV down to attach it to the stand. First, that's more trouble than it's worth, and second, the instructions specifically say not to lay the TV flat.

When you receive the TV and remove the top from the shipping container you'll see that the styrofoam that surrounds it holds it securely upright. So, once you've gotten the box top off, just assemble the stand (which takes two minutes), place it next to the box that still has the TV in it, and move the TV from the box onto the stand. You'll see -- it's trivial.

I've never tipped the drivers but I've also never had them remove the TV from its carton. They literally come about 10 feet inside my house, set the carton down, and leave.
post #7634 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Actually Amazon has changed their tv return policy lately. I dont know all the details but they used to take back anything for pretty much any reason. No more. If there isnt something wrong with it they are not so accomodating. But of course the same people that brought the changes still abuse that and say theres something wrong when theres not. Amazon wont ask for pictures when you say the panel has screen uniformity issues for example.
The people that used to order 3 tvs so that they can test them at home and then return the 2 they dont like brought many of these changes.
To be clear I have never done any of this. But I have read about plenty of people in these threads that do and some even brag about it.
Ya know what? You're absolutely right! I was about to call B.S. on your post but I searched and searched on Amazon.com and couldn't find any current information on "Free TV Returns." I remember it used to say "Free TV Returns" right on the order page for large HDTVs. I guess they were getting raked over the coals by people who'd buy a TV for a "big game" and then return it later. That sucks that they took that away, but I gotta say, it wasn't really ever a factor for me since I always knew that whatever TV I ordered was the one I intended to keep.

Also, I did notice that Amazon says if you want to release the shipper before inspecting the TV for damage to contact Amazon first. I've always released the shipper without checking the TV and have just wound up lucky I guess. Chances are Amazon would be accommodating if there was a problem, but it's probably a good idea to at least open the box and check the TV for obvious damage before signing for the TV.
post #7635 of 13986
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Originally Posted by flyinion View Post

You could try turning it on "weak". I thought I read something at the CNet review about leaving it on weak was acceptable or maybe that was the NR, but it must have been for a different models because I can't find that in the review now.

Oops, found it, it was in the ZT60 review.........

I have mine set to "weak." I used to always leave it off, however another poster on here made a few posts with regards to the benefits he was seeing when watching 1080p/24 content in 96hz mode and enabling motion smoothing to weak. I tried switching it back and forth between weak and off but I just felt like I liked off better. Then I started watching some movies that had a lot of long panning from left to right scenes (the Home Alone movies for example), and I tried it on "weak" and found that I liked the benefit.

It's as Cnet stated, you can barely tell MS is even doing anything, but on weak it is enough to improve motion and not enough to feel like it's artificially enhancing the picture imo. I have since left it on weak and am enjoying the results.
post #7636 of 13986
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

So the week my 60VT60 is to arrive Mother Nature decides to cause me some concern. Just within the last few days it was 65-70 degrees. Now nighttime temps are dipping into 20-30s and the daytime temps around 50. My VT60 is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow between 12-3pm. Highs for tomorrow right around 50, plus or minus. I'm concerned about issues with turning the TV on to test for power. I plan on keeping the inside temp 62-63 to help, but I wonder if the drivers will say anything.

Hi p3Orion, I found this curious about the temperature and not to be argumentative but I wonder where the 50 degrees minimum came from? I looked at the owners manual and found that the minimum operating temp is 32 degrees. I needed to know since my 65VT60 arrives next week. Is there something specific about first time powered on?

 

Cheers. See below:

 

Specifications
TC-P55VT60 TC-P60VT60 TC-P65VT60
Power Source AC 120 V, 60 Hz
Power Consumption
(Rated power / Standby power) 472 W / 0.2 W 472 W / 0.2 W 585 W / 0.2 W
Display Panel
Panel System Plasma Display panel
Screen size 55 ” class
(55.1 inches measured diagonally)
60 ” class
(60.1 inches measured diagonally)
65 ” class
(64.7 inches measured diagonally)
W × H × Diagonal 48.0 ” × 27.0 ” × 55.1 ”
(1,221 mm × 687 mm × 1,401 mm)
52.3 ” × 29.4 ” × 60.1 ”
(1,331 mm × 748 mm × 1,527 mm)
56.4 ” × 31.7 ” × 64.7 ”
(1,434 mm × 807 mm × 1,646 mm)
Number of pixels 1,920 × 1,080
Speaker Output 20 W [5 W + 5 W + 10 W] (10 % THD)
Channel Capability(Digital/Analog) VHF / UHF: 2 - 69, CATV: 1 - 135
Operating Conditions Temperature: 32 °F - 104 °F (0 °C - 40 °C) 
Humidity: 20 % - 80 % RH (non-condensing)
Connection
Terminals
VIDEO IN RCA PIN (VIDEO, AUDIO-L, AUDIO-R)
COMPONENT IN RCA PIN (Y, PB, PR, AUDIO-L, AUDIO-R)
HDMI IN 1/2/3 TYPE A Connector (supports “HDAVI Control 5” function)
USB 1/2/3 USB2.0 Type A connector DC 5V, Max. 500 mA 
DIGITAL AUDIO OUT PCM / Dolby Digital, Fiber Optic
OTHERS SD card slot, ETHERNET (10BASE-T/100BASE-TX)
Dimensions
Including pedestal
(W × H* × D)
51.9 ” × 33.7 ” × 11.7 ”
(1,318 mm × 855 mm × 296 mm)
56.2 ” × 36.1 ” × 12.2 ”
(1,428 mm × 917 mm × 308 mm)
60.3 ” × 38.4 ” × 12.8 ”
(1,531 mm × 975 mm × 323 mm)
TV Set only
(W × H* × D)
51.9 ” × 30.2 ” × 2.0 ”
(1,318 mm × 767 mm × 51 mm)
56.2 ” × 32.7 ” × 2.0 ”
(1,428 mm × 829 mm × 51 mm)
60.3 ” × 35.0 ” × 2.0 ”
(1,531 mm × 887 mm × 51 mm)
Mass 
Including pedestal 84.9 lb. (38.5 ) NET 97.0 lb. (44.0 ) NET 111.4 lb. (50.5 ) NET
TV Set only 69.5 lb. (31.5 ) NET 80.5 lb. (36.5 ) NET 92.6 lb. (42.0 ) NET
* With Camera pop-up: + 0.9 ” (23 mm) height
 Built-in Camera
Lens F2.0 Lens; FOV (D) 50.9° (in HD mode)
Focus Fixed focus
Resolution 1,280 × 720

post #7637 of 13986
It's an amazon (and probably other online retailer) standard. They will not test it below 50 degrees. Mine was just delivered this morning, we did not do a power-on test. I let it acclimate this morning and I'm getting ready to turn it on. October 2013 build for me!
post #7638 of 13986

Thanks. Good to know.

post #7639 of 13986
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Originally Posted by barbados11 View Post

Hi p3Orion, I found this curious about the temperature and not to be argumentative but I wonder where the 50 degrees minimum came from? I looked at the owners manual and found that the minimum operating temp is 32 degrees. I needed to know since my 65VT60 arrives next week. Is there something specific about first time powered on?


Operating Conditions Temperature: 32 °F - 104 °F (0 °C - 40 °C) 


While the TV can be operated safely under those temperatures, a problem can arise if you bring the TV from a cold temperature to a significantly warmer temperature and try to turn it on.

I became aware of the 50 degree minimum last year through the AVS forums. I believe it was also stated in the email I received from Amazon last year when I ordered an ST50, detailing the enhanced delivery steps with Pilot as the carrier. I didn't see it this year with the VT60, though the carrier is CEVA not Pilot.
post #7640 of 13986
Hi all,

I have a simpler way to ask the question I tried to ask yesterday (now that I understand the parameters a bit better after doing more research).

I am considering a Sonos Playbar setup, and need to know: Will the VT60 pass DD5.1 that was input via HDMI through to the optical output as 5.1 DD, or will it downmix to 2.0? HTWaits has mentioned that putting an AVR between the source (e.g. blu-ray player) and the TV may make this work.

I know there are reports of 5.1 being passed through the optical out, but it seems that might be only for internal apps like Netflix.

Thanks!

(Previous post below)
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Originally Posted by skro View Post

Hi,

So, reading this forum and the ZT60, I understand that a direct connection of a 5.1 audio source via HDMI to the VT60 would result in a downgraded 2.0 signal to the audio out (optical). Now, I have read that this isn't the case if you pass it through an AVR first...is that true? That seems strange...

Can anyone tell me what I'd get if I:
1) use a blu-ray player or HTPC to output 5.1 (DTS/DD, or HD audio) to an AVR via HDMI
2) pass the video/audio to the VT60 via HDMI
3) connect an audio system via the optical out

would I get 5.1 (not HD audio, obviously), or 2.0?

EDIT: Maybe this would change if I passed multichannel LPCM to the AVR from the source, rather then DTS, DD, DTS-MA, etc?
EDIT AGAIN: I just remembered that optical can't pass >2 channel LPCM (uncompressed) so the only way to make a 5.1 channel signal work would be to use DD or DTS, right? if so, ignore 1st edit.

Thanks! my new 65 inch VT60 is going to make it hard to keep my existing speakers and I'm looking into a sound bar for the front speakers (eek!, I know smile.gif)

Thanks!
post #7641 of 13986

The deal on this TV is pretty good on amazon. I know it was better last week but i took some time trying to make up my mind between this or the Samsung 8500. Has anyone had severe Image retention problems with this TV? My personal experience at BB I saw severe IR on this TV but they had the TV on the nuke settings. Skimming through the forums it seems like this TV has way more problems dealing with IR then the 8500 series.

post #7642 of 13986
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Everything I have read always says to not lay a plasma down on it's side.

Ceva just called, won't have the TV till tomorrow. Glad I stayed home today for the delivery!!!!!!!!!

What you've read is correct, do NOT lay the TV flat! Just opening a can of potential problems!
post #7643 of 13986
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Originally Posted by billabong12789 View Post

The deal on this TV is pretty good on amazon. I know it was better last week but i took some time trying to make up my mind between this or the Samsung 8500. Has anyone had severe Image retention problems with this TV? My personal experience at BB I saw severe IR on this TV but they had the TV on the nuke settings. Skimming through the forums it seems like this TV has way more problems dealing with IR then the 8500 series.
I know this doesn't really answer your question but I would suggest you get the TV you think looks best and/or get a great deal on. The amount of IR experienced by owners of this TV seems to vary quite a bit with those having issues being more vocal about it. You could get a panel more prone to IR or get a panel that's very resilient, all a crap shoot. I think both TVs are awesome but I got a better deal on the VT plus it would already fit on my TV stand. Best thing to do when you do finally decide on a set is to just enjoy the great picture quality and don't go looking for problems (outside of major ones that would pop up within 5 minutes of owning it). Otherwise you will eventually find them.
post #7644 of 13986
Not sure if anyone has posted any mod pictures or not. I was curious if anyone found a nice way of hiding the reflective trim?
post #7645 of 13986
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Originally Posted by skro View Post

Hi all,

I have a simpler way to ask the question I tried to ask yesterday (now that I understand the parameters a bit better after doing more research).

I am considering a Sonos Playbar setup, and need to know: Will the VT60 pass DD5.1 that was input via HDMI through to the optical output as 5.1 DD, or will it downmix to 2.0? HTWaits has mentioned that putting an AVR between the source (e.g. blu-ray player) and the TV may make this work.

I know there are reports of 5.1 being passed through the optical out, but it seems that might be only for internal apps like Netflix.

Thanks!

(Previous post below)
The optical port will only pass 5.1 for the internal apps. Any external HDMI source will be downmixed to 2.0.
post #7646 of 13986
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post


While the TV can be operated safely under those temperatures, a problem can arise if you bring the TV from a cold temperature to a significantly warmer temperature and try to turn it on.

I became aware of the 50 degree minimum last year through the AVS forums. I believe it was also stated in the email I received from Amazon last year when I ordered an ST50, detailing the enhanced delivery steps with Pilot as the carrier. I didn't see it this year with the VT60, though the carrier is CEVA not Pilot.

Thanks for the info and clearing it up for me.

post #7647 of 13986
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

Not sure if anyone has posted any mod pictures or not. I was curious if anyone found a nice way of hiding the reflective trim?

The only Panasonic I've seen with a modified bezel is the all black "Limited Edition" ZT60 series offered by Value Electronics. They painted the bezel black. Could give them a call and see if they'll give you instructions. Probably void the warranty.

An option I considered myself, at least with the ST60 (I ordered the VT60 instead so I'll see how I like the bezel), is using Light Dims Customizable Edition. It would most likely require a few packs, but I imagine you could cut strips and wrap them along the silver trim.

http://www.lightdims.com/store.htm
post #7648 of 13986
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Originally Posted by Scott Oakley View Post

Right - this one got me too and was why it took me FOREVER to get things working correctly. Who would have guessed a Menu Setup command would be in Apps....cool.gif

I have to correct that too...I will be picking your brain later if I can't figure it out....I have same issue...one overrides the other when I don't want it to...If Denon receiver is on, VT turns it mute but its still on...like sound is overrode by tv sound.
post #7649 of 13986
For those that powered on the TV upon delivery, did you bother to briefly try D-Nice's slides to look for dead pixels?
post #7650 of 13986
No slides here. Just made sure it had picture and sound.
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