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post #8611 of 14014
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Originally Posted by dswierenga View Post

My 65VT60 is in a very bright room. I've fiddled around with Custom settings with the help of Spears & Munsil that don't wash out the whites and show detail in blacks.
Here they are:

Contrast 82
Brightness +7
Color 78
Tint -1
Sharpness 47
Color Temp Warm2
Vivid Off
Panel Brightness Mid
AGC 0
Black Extension 0
Gamut Rec. 709
Black Level Light

I thought that THX Bright did wash out the whites. I like my settings a little better.

I love this set which replaces a Pioneer 50 inch plasma (not Kuro) which is going to my son. I bought this one from Amazon catching their Cyber Monday price.

Color setting of 78 ?
post #8612 of 14014
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Originally Posted by anchit View Post

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Originally Posted by Donat76 View Post

That's not good. It warns you in the manual about not being able to power an external hard drive with the USB. You're supposed to use an external power adapter. You're gonna burn out your USB controller if you keep tripping the protection circuit.


Thanks. I went back to the manual but i cant find anything that says about using a powered hdd. I have thre Australian version, the manual that came with it is just a 23 page flimsy booklet, my wife's breastpump even has a more detailed manual.

That's the quick start manual, NOT the operations manual. The operation manual is built into the TV when you press the "?" on the bottom of the remote control or you can read it online with a Adobe Acrobat PDF viewer or the PDF viewer built into the Google Chrome browser. The North American manual is here.

eHelp Manual
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_VT60.PDF

Main NA Page
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65VT60?sc_mc=sem_google_cov_televisions_tc-p65vt60_10142013

Google your TV model number and "eHelp manual" and it should get you close.

Another person earlier in this thread made the same mistake / assumption about there being a poor manual. My TV came with a small sheet of paper sealed in plastic with the other documentation that pointed me to the actual manual and not the quick start guide. The manual is 200+ pages.

I suggest taking the time to read the eHelp manual. It will answer 99% of your questions and keep you from burning something out on your TV by trying to power an external hard drive with it

The USB only outputs 5 volts at 500 milliamps which is only 2.5 watts. Enough to charge 3D glasses or charge a phone but definitely not operate an external hard drive.

EDIT:
I went back to search for the specs. It actually has the power specifications on a sticker right on the back of the TV by each USB port and it is listed in the 20+ page quick start guide twice. One is a picture and one is the actual USB specifications in print towards the end of the manual.

Either way, the eHelp manual mentions powering an external hard drive with a separate power source.

Page 27 USB Specifications
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP55VT60.PDF
Edited by Donat76 - 12/18/13 at 5:06am
post #8613 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Donat76 View Post

That's the quick start manual, NOT the operations manual. The operation manual is built into the TV when you press the "?" on the bottom of the remote control or you can read it online with a Adobe Acrobat PDF viewer or the PDF viewer built into the Google Chrome browser. The North American manual is here.

eHelp Manual
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_VT60.PDF

Main NA Page
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65VT60?sc_mc=sem_google_cov_televisions_tc-p65vt60_10142013

Google your TV model number and "eHelp manual" and it should get you close.

Another person earlier in this thread made the same mistake assumption about there being no manual. Mine came with a small sheet of paper that pointed me to the actual manual and not the quick start guide. The manual is 200+ pages.

Thanks! M checking the eHelp function. I think it only asks us to have a powered hdd if we are to use it to record a tv programme (apart from formatting it using the tv). But i may be mistaken. I will read thoroughly.

Thanks for the lead.
post #8614 of 14014
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Originally Posted by anchit View Post

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Originally Posted by Donat76 View Post

That's the quick start manual, NOT the operations manual. The operation manual is built into the TV when you press the "?" on the bottom of the remote control or you can read it online with a Adobe Acrobat PDF viewer or the PDF viewer built into the Google Chrome browser. The North American manual is here.

eHelp Manual
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_VT60.PDF

Main NA Page
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65VT60?sc_mc=sem_google_cov_televisions_tc-p65vt60_10142013

Google your TV model number and "eHelp manual" and it should get you close.

Another person earlier in this thread made the same mistake assumption about there being no manual. Mine came with a small sheet of paper that pointed me to the actual manual and not the quick start guide. The manual is 200+ pages.

Thanks! M checking the eHelp function. I think it only asks us to have a powered hdd if we are to use it to record a tv programme (apart from formatting it using the tv). But i may be mistaken. I will read thoroughly.

Thanks for the lead.

I'm not sure if it has a warning exactly, but it does mention it somewhere. As long as you weren't tripping the protection circuit continually, I doubt anything would be damaged.

You're lucky to be able to record TV to external hard drive with your TV. Our TVs aren't allowed to do that in NA because of our corporate backed government laws. I don't know if it was done to protect the DVR market but sometimes this country is so backwards.
post #8615 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Donat76 View Post

I'm not sure if it has a warning exactly, but it does mention it somewhere. As long as you weren't tripping the protection circuit continually, I doubt anything would be damaged.

You're lucky to be able to record TV to external hard drive with your TV. Our TVs aren't allowed to do that in NA because of our corporate backed government laws. I don't know if it was done to protect the DVR market but sometimes this country is so backwards.

Well look on the bright side and even though we have those restrictions in place and the EU does some nice things for consumers (like the 2 year warranty vs. 1 that is common here) we are not having to pay much higher prices for our displays here in the States like our friends in Europe do because of regulations, etc.
post #8616 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Sargon 1 View Post

Hi, AVIK. Nice hearing from you again, this time on this side of the green grass. You and I already talked about these tvs but I hope I can allay your concern about IR. I still get IR after 10 months of owning my ST50. If I watch the golf channel, the solid logo on the bottom right appears as an angry looking orange blurred image when I do a screen wipe. (I use the screen wipe more to check for IR than to remove it.) I used to not "worry" about it and it cost me burn in of the MENU word on the top left side of my screen. So I started monitoring. But the wonderful news, is I can't get this VT60 to even get image retention. I have watched static SOLID (not translucent) images for over an hour, checked with the screen wipe and NOTHING! Just a perfect white screen. I think I could easily go over two hours with no problem and I have my contrast at 100. My ST50 would start showing IR after 20 minutes on solid logos. I couldn't watch ANY car racing, baseball, or football that had those solid status screens along the bottom/top of the screen. But now I can! I didn't think it was possible. I'm not suggesting watching the World Series without checking. But I am quite happy being able to watch a tv movie or a football game with solid static bars and logos for a couple of hours. I haven't confirmed the second hour yet, but I have watched translucent logos for hours on end with no problem. I have never had IR even register faintly on this set. - even it it's vulnerable new condition. Many people of these posts have confirmed problems with the 50 series. One poster on this forum told me he sold his ST50 because of this. I think the 50 really gave plasma a black eye regarding IR. So I think your concerns are valid, but I don't believe they apply to this VT60 (unless I got "lucky" too).  I'm sure others who have had many more hours with their VT60 sets can weigh in here and give you more experienced opinions.
P.S: Any way you can order the VT and compare it to your 8500 in your viewing room before your return window expires? You not the type to abuse returns; You just want to be sure the final outcome will match your expectation of what a good VT should look like. Just a thought. Catch ya later.
Thanks for the info Sargon 1. I won't be able to view both sets side by side. If I order the vt60, they will grab the f8500 and be on their way. I pretty much now know the pros and cons of both sets in my room though. I just need to watch a couple of full length blu rays and 3D movies at night to see how the f8500 holds up. On another note, the way I can tell blacks look way blacker on this f8500 is with my eyes. I'm also wondering if the reason the blacks on the vt60 looked so grey is because of the black bezel. It also looked grey at night. Not sure, but when I look at the letter box bars on the f8500 they are "black" as opposed to grey looking (maybe because the bezel is dark grey?). Also, at night when the screen is completely black, the f8500 seems to have less glow to it. Although, there were times where I saw a good amount of glow for a second and it then dropped down to deep black. Not sure if that was the source of direct tv or the "floating blacks" on the set that I was seeing. It was the moment when the show was cutting to a commercial. I rewinded it and saw it every time. Any thought on that? Thanks again Sargon 1
post #8617 of 14014
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So no one is having lip sync issues with the built in speakers? I can't imaging that just being a defect with mine and not a wider problem?

At the risk of re-opening the 'why are you using the TV speakers' debate...

Yes, I'm seeing lip sync issues with the built in speakers when using the THX presets. With either cable or OTA, lip sync is slightly off. Switching to one of the other presets, like Home Theater, improves it noticeably.

New set, Sept build, latest firmware (2.873). I updated the FW immediately, so I can't compare to older FW.

Seems that maybe the internal audio handling assumes a certain amount of video processing lag. The THX modes seem to turn most or all of that off, and maybe the audio handling doesn't adjust?

I'm using the TV speakers because it's been difficult getting ARC and lip sync working with my receiver. I was using the TV speakers as a reference and found they weren't that good either, until I switched away from THX.
post #8618 of 14014
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Originally Posted by afa3 View Post

At the risk of re-opening the 'why are you using the TV speakers' debate...

Yes, I'm seeing lip sync issues with the built in speakers when using the THX presets. With either cable or OTA, lip sync is slightly off. Switching to one of the other presets, like Home Theater, improves it noticeably.

New set, Sept build, latest firmware (2.873). I updated the FW immediately, so I can't compare to older FW.

Seems that maybe the internal audio handling assumes a certain amount of video processing lag. The THX modes seem to turn most or all of that off, and maybe the audio handling doesn't adjust?

I'm using the TV speakers because it's been difficult getting ARC and lip sync working with my receiver. I was using the TV speakers as a reference and found they weren't that good either, until I switched away from THX.
Thanks, I am using the THX mode and the lip sync issues has been bugging me. Will have to try another setting and see if I notice a difference. I am getting a replacement from Amazon on Friday because my panel had dirt particles on the inside of the panel glass and it was bugging me. It made the screen appear like it had a dead pixel although the dirt was attached to the glass side. It was just on the lower left side but in about 5-7 different places.

I am nervouse about receiving one with fan issues as the one I have is totally silent but if I get one before the fix date hopefully with Panasonic sending a tech to fix these it would be as silent as the ones they fixed themselves. Fingers crossed on another build date after the fix.
post #8619 of 14014
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Color setting of 78 ?
78:eek:eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
post #8620 of 14014
So VT-50 is brighter than VT-60
VT-60 has better black level than VT-50
VT-60 Motion handle 1080/24FPS is not better than VT-50 or same?
VT-50 design is better than VT-60
VT-50 is quiter than VT-60 Fan noise biggrin.gif
post #8621 of 14014
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Originally Posted by PINKTULIPS7 View Post

VT-50 design is better than VT-60
Looks like a subjective argument to me.
post #8622 of 14014
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Color setting of 78 ?

I have to admit that faces look a little more tan than I like. The 78 is the setting you get using Spears & Munsil color adjustment. This is the adjustment where you use a blue filter to match cyan and magenta levels. I believe that after using S&M you would probably want to tweak the setting and a little less color (maybe 60) would fit my tastes. But I was particularly pleased with the contrast and brightness settings that I got from S&M. For the bright room my set is in, they worked much better than the THX bright room settings.
post #8623 of 14014
All the pro calibrations I have seen were in the 46 to 50 range for color, using a blue filter is not an accurate way to set color, you are better off leaving it in the default 50 position imo
post #8624 of 14014
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Originally Posted by dswierenga View Post

I have to admit that faces look a little more tan than I like. The 78 is the setting you get using Spears & Munsil color adjustment. This is the adjustment where you use a blue filter to match cyan and magenta levels. I believe that after using S&M you would probably want to tweak the setting and a little less color (maybe 60) would fit my tastes. But I was particularly pleased with the contrast and brightness settings that I got from S&M. For the bright room my set is in, they worked much better than the THX bright room settings.

Unfortunately, those filters just don't work very well. You're better off using the default THX color setting.
post #8625 of 14014
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Unfortunately, those filters just don't work very well. You're better off using the default THX color setting.

You're probably right about THX color. THX Cinema setting is 50 and THX Bright Room is 60. Does anyone know the THX settings that are in the greyed out menus?
The filters may not work well but they are better than trying to eyeball color setting. The S&M setting give you a good starting point.
post #8626 of 14014
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Originally Posted by beam me up View Post

KID

Looks like you should have no trouble getting your replacement - I was able to check mine pretty well upon delivery; guess i got lucky and had a helpful person from pilot. Used a flashlight. Good luck.
Just a note, a cracked TV will not turn on and usually buzzes super loud.
post #8627 of 14014
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Originally Posted by AVKIK View Post


Thanks for the info Sargon 1. I won't be able to view both sets side by side. If I order the vt60, they will grab the f8500 and be on their way. I pretty much now know the pros and cons of both sets in my room though. I just need to watch a couple of full length blu rays and 3D movies at night to see how the f8500 holds up. On another note, the way I can tell blacks look way blacker on this f8500 is with my eyes. I'm also wondering if the reason the blacks on the vt60 looked so grey is because of the black bezel. It also looked grey at night. Not sure, but when I look at the letter box bars on the f8500 they are "black" as opposed to grey looking (maybe because the bezel is dark grey?). Also, at night when the screen is completely black, the f8500 seems to have less glow to it. Although, there were times where I saw a good amount of glow for a second and it then dropped down to deep black. Not sure if that was the source of direct tv or the "floating blacks" on the set that I was seeing. It was the moment when the show was cutting to a commercial. I rewinded it and saw it every time. Any thought on that? Thanks again Sargon 1


You use your "eyes" to determine which tv has better black levels? Hmmm . . . I don't know if that would be advisable saying that on this forum . . . You could get it! (Just kidding fellas!)

 

I still believe that all of you on this forum represent the best, most interesting and intelligent group of people anywhere. We just all have our own opinions, peeves, and (sometimes) quirks and yes you already know mine. And even though I disagree with certain things, I would defend everyone one of you if I had the opportunity and privilege to know you personally. (I just got caught up too much in my own defensiveness.- and for that I am truly sorry smurraybhm.)


Edited by Sargon 1 - 12/18/13 at 10:10am
post #8628 of 14014
Trust me, I second guessed whether or not I should type that :-) but really, I do "see" a big difference. I also wonder if that damn blacker than black bezel on the vt60 was playing tricks on me. I thought about trying an experiment and grabbing a piece of electric tape or something totally black and putting it next to the letter box bars to see if the bars appear more grey on the f8500 too.
post #8629 of 14014

Hey Avkik, I thought I read on your forum that the 8500 was measured (yes, I'm ok with that guys-I just give the nod to me peepers), to be barely darker than the VT60. But I thought CNET measured the VT60 to be darkest (I could be wrong here). But what I do remember for sure is that they said that when the Cinema Smooth? is turned on or off (I can't remember), you get more of a film cadence but that the black levels are not as dark. I don't know why this would be, but their measurements showed that doing this degraded the black levels of the 8500 to the level of the VT50. Still pretty darn impressive. I personally wonder if that awesome bright levels of he 8500 is giving the black/white more contrast and pop on your tv - and nothing wrong with that!. I noticed on the other forum that some people were "underwhelmed" by the 8500. I confess, I felt that way too. I wondered if the brightness was simply revealing more imperfections with the signal source - movies etc. Either way, I just find the VT60 to have a very lush, inviting, and richer look. Finally, I thought, this is my last chance to buy a VT60. Samsung will still make the other tv at least for a while and probably improve it. To me it seems that the problems people have on this VT60 forum is not with how the VT60 looks - they love it, but rather with some quirks they encounter which are usually resolved by us. (The ONLY slight problem I have is the lip-sync is slightly off if I don't use the built in speakers -  and those speakers sound awful to me -even for tv speakers. Lip sync being slightly off is not a slight problem. It is like being slightly pregnant. Normal sound/visual speech intonation is a type of precision that when even slightly off is very noticeable. But I've actually gotten used to it and on some days, why?, it is almost spot on. I have also seen sound bars with a mili-second(s) audio delay).  But it seemed that the 8500 post involved not just people dealing with quirks on their set - the motion studder etc, but also sort of a meah attitude or as one poster over there wrote, "underwhelmed." Having said all of this, definitely go with what looks best to YOU in YOUR room. I think we all support you fully in this regard.

 

Sargon 1


Edited by Sargon 1 - 12/18/13 at 11:14am
post #8630 of 14014
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Originally Posted by dswierenga View Post

You're probably right about THX color. THX Cinema setting is 50 and THX Bright Room is 60. Does anyone know the THX settings that are in the greyed out menus?
The filters may not work well but they are better than trying to eyeball color setting. The S&M setting give you a good starting point.

I find eye balling far better than the filter which will greatly over-saturate color, but to each his own. The color setting you ended up at (78?) is way, way above the proper level.
post #8631 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Sargon 1 View Post

Hey Avkik, I thought I read somewhere that the 8500 was measured (yes, I'm ok with that guys-I just give the nod to me peepers), to be barely darker than the VT60. (I could be wrong here).

Yup.
post #8632 of 14014
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Thanks, I am using the THX mode and the lip sync issues has been bugging me. Will have to try another setting and see if I notice a difference. I am getting a replacement from Amazon on Friday because my panel had dirt particles on the inside of the panel glass and it was bugging me. It made the screen appear like it had a dead pixel although the dirt was attached to the glass side. It was just on the lower left side but in about 5-7 different places.

I am nervouse about receiving one with fan issues as the one I have is totally silent but if I get one before the fix date hopefully with Panasonic sending a tech to fix these it would be as silent as the ones they fixed themselves. Fingers crossed on another build date after the fix.

Glad I wasn't the only one and shows I'm not as crazy as I thought. I also had particles under te screen but I purchased from Pauls got a full refund and went with Amazon and have been happy since.
post #8633 of 14014
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I find eye balling far better than the filter which will greatly over-saturate color, but to each his own. The color setting you ended up at (78?) is way, way above the proper level.

I agree. Even sticking with stock color would be better then 78....

78...wow. Must really like the orange fake tan look.
post #8634 of 14014
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

Glad I wasn't the only one and shows I'm not as crazy as I thought. I also had particles under te screen but I purchased from Pauls got a full refund and went with Amazon and have been happy since.
I do not think it has anything to do with where you bought it from. Mine was from Amazon with this isse. What build was the one you had with the problem and what did you end up with currently? Mine is October 2013.
post #8635 of 14014
I've had the set for about a week now and break in is going great. The only two things besides me now debating over the blacks and if they are at the correct level...thanks AVKIK ;(...is DSE (dirty screen effect) and some line bleed. Since both are in the normal range a return IMO is not a good option for return because it could be worse.

Reason for posting is that I wanted to know if laying the panel face down for a few minutes while I set up the stand could of contributed to more line bleed than what was there? By laying it face doe could it push issues more forward toward the screen? I've never really understood the line bleed stuff and why it happens...seems like its comparable to the clouding issues of LEDs which were pretty normal for a long time, annoying, but was inherent in all LEDs (idk about now) and was an issue for years with the only real fix being a swap of the TV to see if the next one has better uniformity.
post #8636 of 14014
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I've had the set for about a week now and break in is going great. The only two things besides me now debating over the blacks and if they are at the correct level...thanks AVKIK ;(...is DSE (dirty screen effect) and some line bleed. Since both are in the normal range a return IMO is not a good option for return because it could be worse.

Reason for posting is that I wanted to know if laying the panel face down for a few minutes while I set up the stand could of contributed to more line bleed than what was there? By laying it face doe could it push issues more forward toward the screen? I've never really understood the line bleed stuff and why it happens...seems like its comparable to the clouding issues of LEDs which were pretty normal for a long time, annoying, but was inherent in all LEDs (idk about now) and was an issue for years with the only real fix being a swap of the TV to see if the next one has better uniformity.


I doubt laying it down would do anything. That is even subjective with LCD's but I have seen it happen. As far as DSE, it was on the 65" VT60 I had awhile back. Not horribly bad but it was there. I think it's on every plasma to be honest. Every Kuro I owned had a bit of DSE.

Off topic, but I have been following your posts since the issues you had with Paul's. I thought I was OCD a bit but you are taking this to a whole new level. I mean no disrespect by that either. It's almost like you are trying to find problems with each set and not even enjoying it. There is not a perfect set out there. You will probably have some sort of DSE/line bleed with any VT you get along with some buzzing from the screen and fan noise (and maybe even some scratches). As a fellow person that gets OCD from time to time, let it go. It's just a tv smile.gif.
post #8637 of 14014
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Just a note, a cracked TV will not turn on and usually buzzes super loud.


Good information; glad i was able to check mine before we turned it on --- and after for scratch's or anything. Pilot delivery guy was very helpful.
post #8638 of 14014
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Originally Posted by YOTR View Post

I doubt laying it down would do anything. That is even subjective with LCD's but I have seen it happen. As far as DSE, it was on the 65" VT60 I had awhile back. Not horribly bad but it was there. I think it's on every plasma to be honest. Every Kuro I owned had a bit of DSE.

Off topic, but I have been following your posts since the issues you had with Paul's. I thought I was OCD a bit but you are taking this to a whole new level. I mean no disrespect by that either. It's almost like you are trying to find problems with each set and not even enjoying it. There is not a perfect set out there. You will probably have some sort of DSE/line bleed with any VT you get along with some buzzing from the screen and fan noise (and maybe even some scratches). As a fellow person that gets OCD from time to time, let it go. It's just a tv smile.gif.

The sets with Pauls I began to think I was being a little harsh about it but then I saw a recent post about eric1336 who got a set from Amazon with particles behind it, so my harshness was justified to a degree.

As far as line bleed and DSE, my 5020 has DSE and I knew that when purchasing it back in 2008. Never bothered me and it had very little line bleed and at that time I was just beginning on my knowledge and research of plasma sets, obviously since I bought the best of the best of the best (Sorry watched men in black last night). The line bleed is worse on my vt60 but I honestly have to be close like 2ft to see it. So I've learned that since my seating distance is about 8-10ft that the line bleed is a subjective issue rather than an actual issue. And line bleed on plasma is normal and I've known that for a while but I've only known how it was on the KUROS and this is my first Panny so that's why I have so many concerns and questions. I haven't researched a panasonic until this year. For the past couple of years I was trying to find new reasonably priced KUROS but all are at original prices (sky high)or they are used which is risky.

This set is here stay and over the last week the line bleed has subdued more and more so it has gotten better and at seating distance it's barely noticeable when watching content or color screens. So hence it is normal range. This is my third vt60 and thank god I went with Amazon cuz it was an awesome experience. I know not all have great experiences with any company but id have to say CS and care from Amazon is great and so is there products they offer. Third times the charm. Mark me as a very happy owner of the 65VT60 and the two issues I have are very minor and normal for plasma.
post #8639 of 14014
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

. . . . . . The line bleed is worse on my vt60 but I honestly have to be close like 2ft to see it. So I've learned that since my seating distance is about 8-10ft that the line bleed is a subjective issue rather than an actual issue.    . . .~~ And line bleed on plasma is normal and I've known that for a while but I've only known how it was on the KUROS and this is my first Panny so that's why I have so many concerns and questions.

I realize, knowing that line-bleed is there, even though you don't see if from the proper viewing distance, it seems to be eating away at you. But try to focus on the fact that no one except a cat watches a tv from 2 feet away. From 2 feet away there is a treasure trove of "problems" - dithering, line-bleed, blur, noise, etc. etc. So think of it my friend not as a flaw revealed close up like a jeweler discovering scratches or hair-line cracks on a diamond with his micro-eye piece, but rather what normally is revealed from non-real world viewing distances. It's not flawed. Hope this helps.

UPDATE; SelfMaDe111985, After reading your unedited post more carefully, (sorry I didn't), I realize that your not taking your line bleed as bad as I thought. But I still think that what I wrote could help you with other things you might be dealing with regarding your tvs. Micro inspection will always reveal flaws that are inherent with the technology and production, get stuck in our minds, but have little to do with the viewing experience. You have a post somewhere below that you think your thought of as an idiot. For the record, I for one, do not think that way about you. I'm just trying to offer some PERSPECTIVE. 


Edited by Sargon 1 - 12/18/13 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

I agree. Even sticking with stock color would be better then 78....

78...wow. Must really like the orange fake tan look.
No, he likes the race known as carrot.
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