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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Its not a glass top correct ? If not keep an eye on it for a while, ya never know.

http://www.meijer.com/s/sauder-carolina-oak-orchard-hills-entertainment-credenza-fits-up-to-41-inch-tv/_/R-298716 Actually I think I found it. Seems it should be fine as it holds up to 240 pounds.


I do have a couple more questions however. Can someone tell me the height between the bottom of the stand to the bottom of the actual panel? Not to the bezel? I have a center speaker that I am worried about being in the viewing angle.

And does the remote support have a discrete button/command to switch to "Game" mode? I'd like to use it with my Harmony One, otherwise I will have to program a sequence to do it after that activity is launched.
Edited by schmiggyjk - 12/20/13 at 9:49pm
post #8882 of 13978
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Originally Posted by schmiggyjk View Post

I do have a couple more questions however. Can someone tell me the height between the bottom of the stand to the bottom of the actual panel? Not to the bezel? I have a center speaker that I am worried about being in the viewing angle.

5 1/4 inches from the top of a wood TV stand to where the bottom bezel ends and meets the panel. 5 3/8 inches from top of a wood TV stand to where the little black strip (~1/4 inch wide) above the bezel meets the actual displayed image. So if you were to place a speaker in front of the VT60 stand (not on top of it) the maximum height it could be without blocking the image is 5 3/8 inches.
Edited by p3Orion - 12/20/13 at 10:13pm
post #8883 of 13978
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

5 1/4 inches from the top of TV stand to where the bottom bezel meets the screen. 5 3/8 inches from top of TV stand to where the little black strip (~1/4 inch wide) above the bezel meets the actual displayed image. So if you were to place a speaker in front of the VT60 stand (not on top of it) the maximum height it could be without blocking the image is 5 3/8 inches.

Thanks you very much. Looks like I'm going to have to place about 1 3/4" of finished board underneath it till I get a new stand or can wall mount it as my speaker sits too tall.
post #8884 of 13978
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Originally Posted by schmiggyjk View Post

Thanks you very much. Looks like I'm going to have to place about 1 3/4" of finished board underneath it till I get a new stand or can wall mount it as my speaker sits too tall.

I edited my post to clarify that I was referring to the top of a wood TV stand, not the top of the VT60 stand, as the starting point for measurement.
post #8885 of 13978
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I edited my post to clarify that I was referring to the top of a wood TV stand, not the top of the VT60 stand, as the starting point for measurement.

That's what I figured. Appreciate you taking the time to help out.
post #8886 of 13978
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Originally Posted by schmiggyjk View Post

That's what I figured. Appreciate you taking the time to help out.

No problem. What's your budget for a future TV stand, if you go that route? I need to get one as well and it's been tough finding one that's about 2 ft high, 65-70 inches wide, that has a center channel compartment , and doesn't cost over $1K. I currently don't have a center channel speaker, or a sub for that matter, but I have a nice pair of Ascend Sierra-1's in piano black. Hoping to get either a center channel or sub at some point after I get other things sorted out.

This is the TV stand I want to get.

http://www.furnitech.com/ft72cc.html
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I just took delivery of a VT60 to replace my old school Pioneer Elite rear projection tv. I have a lot to learn. Is there a way to program the remote to control my comcast box?
post #8888 of 13978
VT60 and Correct Sharpness Setting:


I just finished inputting D-Nice's settings for both 2D and 3D settings and I have to say that I'm extremely pleased with the results. I can now toggle between Cnet's, Sound and Vision's as well as D-Nice's and comparing all the three- I find his to be the most accurate and pleasing to my eyes. He calibrated my ST50 last year and I look forward to having him come out and calibrate my VT60 sometime early next year.


Ont thing that really stood out to me was the discrepancy in the sharpness settings between D-Nice's (set at 0) and Sound and Vision's/ Cnet's (set at the default 50.) I'm surprised more people haven't pointed this out. What's everybody have their's on? Maybe some owners here (Larry smile.gif) who've done their own calibrations can chime in on this.
Edited by Chere - 12/20/13 at 10:37pm
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I've had a 55vt60 for about a week now and just noticed the fan noise last night. And now that I know it's there, I can't chime it out of course. I find it very irritating. Build date says August 2013 but unless I'm blind, there's definitely only the 4 small foam pieces between the fan and the back panel. There appears to be nothing on the other side of the fans, which is where the fix is implemented right? What's the average wait time for Panasonic to come out and install the fix? I may just end up returning it to the store and looking for a more recent model or even a 60vt60, hopefully with the fix.

 

I should add, I live in Ontario, Canada, if that makes any difference.


Edited by krismate - 12/20/13 at 11:24pm
post #8890 of 13978
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Originally Posted by PolishDude View Post
 

I feel like if you have to go out of your way to see IR, it should not be a problem. I am more concerned about seeing IR that I will see while watching normal content. I don''t really plan on watching slides on my TV lol.

IR can be much harder to see while watching normal content (as opposed to a white screen) because normal viewing content is non-uniform and darker. And if you DO see it easily, it is stronger IR - not that light little yellow-orange blurry shapes you see when monitoring things with your screen wipe. (Described in my last IR post.) I agree with you when you write, "I feel like if you have to go out of your way to see IR, it should not be a problem." But this is precisely WHY I do this-to keep it from developing into a problem.

 

Technically, burn-in is a permanent form of image retention. How can you TELL the difference? At some point, we will BOTH be using the screen wipe but for very DIFFERENT reasons: I will be doing it to learn what my tv can safely handle; You will be doing it to determine if that IR you now see on normal content viewing is IR or Screen Burn In.

 

Turning a screen wipe on and off in a menu (no I don't use slides either), is pretty quick and easy for me. I really only use it when I get a new plasma model. I "check" when watching anything with solid static logos or objects. But in short time, I learn how many minutes or hours my tv can handle with various content, and then almost never have to check again. Like I said earlier, t's just being willing to spend a little time at the beginning to discover what your tv will let you watch and how much of it. Replacing a TV with Screen Burn In seems like a lot more work than my as you put "going out of your way... " method which requires only a little work at the beginning of the life of your set.

 

P.S. If your IR regimine works best for you, no worries! We all have our own ideas of what we like and what works for us. It's fun sharing and hearing different ideas about our TVs. LOL


Edited by Sargon 1 - 12/21/13 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post


Nice. Saves me from having to take and post pictures. biggrin.gif

I'll still check out Game of Thrones and report what the dithering looks like.

You could have had them pick up the first one at a later date in order to do an A/B comparison. In fact, if you call them you should be able to reschedule pickup of the first one until a later date. I did that last year with two ST50s.

 

I could do that, I am almost thinking of just trying a different high quality tv. If it does have the same "problem", (I say problem because it is affecting my viewing pleasure) I don't know if I want the hassle of getting them to come back a third time (if they will). I know with plasma you are getting the best picture around, but what comparable high end LCD-LED's are there?

 

Here's a question, I have a 50" PDP-506PU Pioneer plasma I bought back in 2006. How come I didn't notice this type of thing on that?


Edited by KnoellAlex - 12/21/13 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by flyinion View Post


Here's the thing with Netflix, it depends on not only the source material, but your connection speed as well. I have an excellent Comcast connection and though I've opted to go wireless with my VT60, the Comcast router is literally right behind the TV. Breaking Bad still looks a little soft, however my wife was watching some movie the other day and I literally had no idea it was not an HD channel on Comcast the picture was so good. A far cry from the a few years ago when Netflix "HD" streaming was barely 480i DVD quality. If you don't have a fast enough connection though, Netflix will kick down the picture quality to match what it can stream effectively otherwise you end up buffering all the time.

 

That could be true too. I just don't know but the quality is bothering me. As I asked in my other post, if I watch too much "poor quality" or "low bandwith" stuff, why didn't I notice this type of thing on my old Pioneer plasma tv. Why don't I notice it on my cousins Vizio LCD?

 

That begs the question, is the picture quality too good for the quality of content that I watch?

 

My internet speed isn't the fastest, but it hovers between 20-30mbs down and 5-6mbs up.

post #8893 of 13978
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Originally Posted by KnoellAlex View Post

That could be true too. I just don't know but the quality is bothering me. As I asked in my other post, if I watch too much "poor quality" or "low bandwith" stuff, why didn't I notice this type of thing on my old Pioneer plasma tv. Why don't I notice it on my cousins Vizio LCD?

That begs the question, is the picture quality too good for the quality of content that I watch?

My internet speed isn't the fastest, but it hovers between 20-30mbs down and 5-6mbs up.
Your internet speed is plenty fast.
Netflix is a complicated business. I dont understand it all but every company has its own servers. Netflix can pick and choose who gets the best pq at peak times. There is such a thing as Open Connect internet providers. Google it. They have signed a contract with Netflix and get preferential treatment. If youre internet provider is not part of Open Connect then your Netflix will suffer. Netflix, Panasonic and your cable provider can all throttle back your speed at times if they so choose.
Servers that become overwhelmed at peak times can also be an issue. Try watching a movie at 2p and see if you get better pq than at 9p and you will probably see what I mean.
Or if you have a problem with the Panasonic app try a different device. There have been many times that my Viera Netflix pq was worse than my PS3 Netflix at the exact same time.
Like I said I dont understand it all. But youre Netflix experience will most likely not be my Netflix experience. There are just too many variables in play even beyond your personal equipment.
Heres more info:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1089285/netflix-streaming-quality/3570#post_24089496
Edited by Bond 007 - 12/21/13 at 3:51am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post


Your internet speed is plenty fast.
Netflix is a complicated business. I dont understand it all but every company has its own servers. Netflix can pick and choose who gets the best pq at peak times. There is such a thing as Open Connect internet providers. Google it. They have signed a contract with Netflix and get preferential treatment. If youre internet provider is not part of Open Connect then your Netflix will suffer. Netflix, Panasonic and your cable provider can all throttle back your speed at times if they so choose.
Servers that become overwhelmed at peak times can also be an issue. Try watching a movie at 2p and see if you get better pq than at 9p and you will probably see what I mean.
Or if you have a problem with the Panasonic app try a different device. There have been many times that my Viera Netflix pq was worse than my PS3 Netflix at the exact same time.
Like I said I dont understand it all. But youre Netflix experience will most likely not be my Netflix experience. There are just too many variables in play even beyond your personal equipment.
Heres more info:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1089285/netflix-streaming-quality/3570#post_24089496

 

I live in Buffalo NY, no Open Connect here. I googled it, and I found a chart that shows how badly my ISP drops during peak times haha, yuck. I don't think it is my problem though, because I work partial overnights, and I am home watching netflix at odd hours like 3 or 4 am, where the chart is at its highest in terms of speed.

 

I have been using the Xbox One for Netflix. The other thing is that I notice this issue on cable tv too, so I don't think it is a streaming issue. But then again, cable tv isn't known for its quality....ahhhhh, I am going to drive myself nuts. I just want to be wowed like I was back in 2006 when I picked up my Pioneer Plasma! Ok, maybe not wowed, but simply impressed will do!

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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

VT60 and Correct Sharpness Setting:


I just finished inputting D-Nice's settings for both 2D and 3D settings and I have to say that I'm extremely pleased with the results. I can now toggle between Cnet's, Sound and Vision's as well as D-Nice's and comparing all the three- I find his to be the most accurate and pleasing to my eyes. He calibrated my ST50 last year and I look forward to having him come out and calibrate my VT60 sometime early next year.


Ont thing that really stood out to me was the discrepancy in the sharpness settings between D-Nice's (set at 0) and Sound and Vision's/ Cnet's (set at the default 50.) I'm surprised more people haven't pointed this out. What's everybody have their's on? Maybe some owners here (Larry smile.gif) who've done their own calibrations can chime in on this.

Sharpness affects more than sharpness. For me, 0 looks the most like film. The difference between 0 and 1 (for me) is much greater than for example the distance between 49 and 50. (Sharpness and depth change really kicks in after 0). These tvs are very, very, sharp and clear - way past the look of film. Now if your not as picky about a film-look, 34 is another sweet spot. For example, I have pleasantly found that for example with Lord of the Rings-Return of the King, a setting of 34 has the most depth and detail. Far away castles actually look far away, have a 3D roundness to them and have more detail. One also gets more of a sense of midground and its relationship to both foreground and background - creating a 3D yet natural sense of space. As I move up toward 50, the foreground detail sharpens more, but the background dramatically flattens as well as losing detail. My best friend was quite amused when he saw that in general, the lower the sharpness setting, the greater the detail. I think I might have read an article one time that talked about this. But it sounds like your not interested in someone "eye-ballin" this. But I always give the nod to me peepers.

"Larry, get over here! He wants to hear from you. I'm not sure how much longer I can distract him . . .  Hey Chere, do you uh . . . prefer dark chocolate or light chocolate? . . . LARRY!"


Edited by Sargon 1 - 12/21/13 at 4:35am
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So I was able to put the plastic piece on the stand this time around when I setup my replacement but it seems like they don't give you a screw for it? It comes with 4 screws that go on the back that are all the same size, 2 on each side and then a small screw that goes in the top center. Should that small screw not go into the top center of the stand and go into the extra plastic piece or am I missing something here?
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Your internet speed is plenty fast.
Netflix is a complicated business. I dont understand it all but every company has its own servers. Netflix can pick and choose who gets the best pq at peak times. There is such a thing as Open Connect internet providers. Google it. They have signed a contract with Netflix and get preferential treatment. If youre internet provider is not part of Open Connect then your Netflix will suffer. Netflix, Panasonic and your cable provider can all throttle back your speed at times if they so choose.
Servers that become overwhelmed at peak times can also be an issue. Try watching a movie at 2p and see if you get better pq than at 9p and you will probably see what I mean.
Or if you have a problem with the Panasonic app try a different device. There have been many times that my Viera Netflix pq was worse than my PS3 Netflix at the exact same time.
Like I said I dont understand it all. But youre Netflix experience will most likely not be my Netflix experience. There are just too many variables in play even beyond your personal equipment.
Heres more info:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1089285/netflix-streaming-quality/3570#post_24089496
Dude Netflix open connect network has been reset to all network!!!!!!!!Now you can have super HD from any network like Verizon DSL or Time Warner Cable,biggrin.gif:D:D:D:D:D
post #8898 of 13978
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So I was able to put the plastic piece on the stand this time around when I setup my replacement but it seems like they don't give you a screw for it? It comes with 4 screws that go on the back that are all the same size, 2 on each side and then a small screw that goes in the top center. Should that small screw not go into the top center of the stand and go into the extra plastic piece or am I missing something here?

Page 11
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP55VT60.PDF
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Originally Posted by Donat76 View Post

Page 11
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP55VT60.PDF
The thing is the connector piece has a hole in the center top. It looks different then what the picture shows.
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Utterly subjective, first-time VT-owner, quicky review:

Received and installed my 65VT60 yesterday. This is a replacement for a 60" Sony 60XBR800 GWII, a rear-projection LCD TV that is 12 years old and finally kicked the bucked. The GWII was a pretty good TV after a little calibration, even now comparing it to the picture/colour fidelity of the Vierra it still holds it own. Where the Sony falls down hard is with black levels; those 1" LCD panels can't completely block the light, and 'black' is more of a dark gray, with all dark scenes in a movie rendered in that same darkish gray.

Anyway, back to the Panasonic!
Not impressed when switching it on the first time, but that changed after selecting the THX picture mode.Wow! That picture has punch! Those blacks are really, really black and it will render any dark scene in minute shades of dark gray and black. Even my usually underwhelmed wife commented that it did look better than our old GWII. In short, the high-def content looks awsome! Standard-def looks OK, about as good as it did on the old Sony. I find the sound on the VT60 so-so. It's clear enough, it's loud enough, but lacks good definition and the bass is missing even after turning on bass-boost in the menus. That is something the GWII did much better, but it had full-size speakers on the sides and a woofer build into the housing. I understand that sound is a problem with all the current flat-screen TVs, and the VT60 is about as good as it gets. It's lacking though.

Can't hear any fans unless I stick my head behind the screen, can't see any dead or stuck pixels, no hair-line cracks, nor anything else untoward. I've not been looking for it either (I can live quite happily without inspecting each of 2 million-or-so pixels close-up). I find the brightness more than good enough, it's certainly more bright than the GWII, and I dialed it down to 40 as a more pleasant-to-watch level for my eyes. It will reflect lights, windows and other things behind the viewer, in fact a little more so than the old Sony which was quite shiny too. It hasn't bothered me though, since the image is so bright it overwhelms the reflections.

I've told the wife and kids to always zoom any content that has black bars above/below or to the sides, at least until the set has a few hundred hours on the phosphors. That should keep IR at bay. With that I handed them the remote.

Now I'm off to the store for another HDMI cable so I can hook up my HTPC (the GWII was all about DVI, and all I could find around the house was a single HDMI cable that's now feeding the signal from the cable box). Once that's working I can tap into our Unraid TB server with all the movies. Fun fun fun!

Nice TV! I'm happy I bought it!

-RoB-
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

VT60 and Correct Sharpness Setting:




Ont thing that really stood out to me was the discrepancy in the sharpness settings between D-Nice's (set at 0) and Sound and Vision's/ Cnet's (set at the default 50.) I'm surprised more people haven't pointed this out. What's everybody have their's on? Maybe some owners here (Larry smile.gif) who've done their own calibrations can chime in on this.

What works for me is to use the sharpness control as sort of a "focus", and adjusting until print looks most in focus.
For me, that works out to a settng of about 20.
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

VT60 and Correct Sharpness Setting:


I just finished inputting D-Nice's settings for both 2D and 3D settings and I have to say that I'm extremely pleased with the results. I can now toggle between Cnet's, Sound and Vision's as well as D-Nice's and comparing all the three- I find his to be the most accurate and pleasing to my eyes. He calibrated my ST50 last year and I look forward to having him come out and calibrate my VT60 sometime early next year.


Ont thing that really stood out to me was the discrepancy in the sharpness settings between D-Nice's (set at 0) and Sound and Vision's/ Cnet's (set at the default 50.) I'm surprised more people haven't pointed this out. What's everybody have their's on? Maybe some owners here (Larry smile.gif) who've done their own calibrations can chime in on this.
I almost feel like Cnet's setting is an error. I have never seen them put the sharpness setting up. I believe they always set to zero. I can't imagine a setting of 50 giving a reference type look.
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I almost feel like Cnet's setting is an error. I have never seen them put the sharpness setting up. I believe they always set to zero. I can't imagine a setting of 50 giving a reference type look.
Youre correct. It is an error. It should be 0. I thought they corrected it at some point. This was discussed thoroughly a while back.
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Originally Posted by PINKTULIPS7 View Post

Dude Netflix open connect network has been reset to all network!!!!!!!!Now you can have super HD from any network like Verizon DSL or Time Warner Cable,biggrin.gif:D:D:D:D:D
Your post is nonsense. Is there something youre actually trying to say?
Edited by Bond 007 - 12/21/13 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by Sargon 1 View Post
 

Unlike the Samsung 8500, unlike LED tvs, unlike a movie in a theater, I have found that all Panasonic plasma tvs that I have seen from 2012 to present, have a 3d look to them.

I recently purchased the vt60, and I have this same problem. I have turned off the motion smoother, turned off 24fps output from my blu ray, aged the panel 100 hours, and used something like the d-nice settings. All of these helped, and the image has indisputable depth and richness - but it still looks like video to me, not film. This is a deal-breaker for me, and it's a big disappointment, as I really wanted to love this plasma. But to me, a movie should not look like a play, but like a moving painting - that is, two-dimensional.

 

Could you recommend a more "film-like" TV? I read a review of the st50 that said that, too, had a "slight SOE" that doesn't go away. Is Samsung 8500 the best option, then? Sorry if this is off-topic; I'm new to avsforum, so please excuse my ignorance. Thanks for any help folks can give me.


Edited by robnormal - 12/21/13 at 8:58am
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This is the picture of my 'pinched' corner of my stand. It is absolutely absurdly ridiculously crazy that a manufacturer would allow this type of quality control. Even though my panel is perfect (more about that in a minute) and I don't even use the stand I plan on bitching about this for at least the next 6 mos and discouraging anyone else from buying one of these.

Concerning my perfect panel: IMO, it's a little too perfect! I just can't stand how accurate the color is, how the contrast makes images pop-- if I want pop I'll eat popcorn, gawd damnit. I'm returning my panel for one that had some dirt under the screen or, at the very least, judders like William Shatner with Tourettes. Also: I'm the only one helpful on this forum so I'm taking my sparkling personality, vast knowledge and irreverent sense of humor elsewhere and you will all miss me once I'm gone.

Merry Christmas!

....

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Originally Posted by Rop View Post

Utterly subjective, first-time VT-owner, quicky review:

Received and installed my 65VT60 yesterday. This is a replacement for a 60" Sony 60XBR800 GWII, a rear-projection LCD TV that is 12 years old and finally kicked the bucked. The GWII was a pretty good TV after a little calibration, even now comparing it to the picture/colour fidelity of the Vierra it still holds it own. Where the Sony falls down hard is with black levels; those 1" LCD panels can't completely block the light, and 'black' is more of a dark gray, with all dark scenes in a movie rendered in that same darkish gray.

I just made the exact same upgrade. I really didn't want to replace the GWII, it was doing so well for being that old, but it had developed a big yellow blob in the center of the screen, so I figured it was time to start looking around. I would have taken my time, but then Panasonic stopped production on plasmas, and they being some of the best reviewed TVs around, I decided not to wait.

Right now, the VT60 is running slides and sitting right in front of the GWII. It's allowed me to do a little bit of a side by side comparison. As you said, the darks are night and day difference. The GWII is always glowing, the VT60 near completely black. The other big improvement is the lack of "screen door" effect that the GWII had. I know plasmas have other visual artifacts, shimmering, flickering, etc., but it is a huge improvement to my eyes.

On the flip side, having the two TVs side by side shows just how dim the white on the VT60 is. I don't think it'll be an issue, the GWII wasn't the best daytime performer anyway.

The thing that freaked me out was the dithering when I first turned the set on. Obviously this is my first plasma, and the initial out-of-box experience (picture mode on standard, the gray transparent menus up, standing 2 feet from the tv) left me convinced I had a bad panel. I couldn't understand why everything was swimming and popping colors. I decided to watch some test content on THX cinema, and it didn't have any of those issues, so I was finally happy.
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hi, me again. im ready to run the slides now, but there is a setting that someone said to turn off C.A.T.S, what is that?

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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Your post is nonsense. Is there something youre actually trying to say?
Let me attempt to translate...here's what I think he was talking about: http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/netflix-stops-trying-to-use-super-hd-to-push-content-delivery-network-program-1200671376/
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post



This is the picture of my 'pinched' corner of my stand. It is absolutely absurdly ridiculously crazy that a manufacturer would allow this type of quality control. Even though my panel is perfect (more about that in a minute) and I don't even use the stand I plan on bitching about this for at least the next 6 mos and discouraging anyone else from buying one of these.

Concerning my perfect panel: IMO, it's a little too perfect! I just can't stand how accurate the color is, how the contrast makes images pop-- if I want pop I'll eat popcorn, gawd damnit. I'm returning my panel for one that had some dirt under the screen or, at the very least, judders like William Shatner with Tourettes. Also: I'm the only one helpful on this forum so I'm taking my sparkling personality, vast knowledge and irreverent sense of humor elsewhere and you will all miss me once I'm gone.

Merry Christmas!

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My stand on the TV I received yesterday has the exact same bend on the same corner. I actually thought that was my post and I was like I don't remember posting a picture. It's an August build date.
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