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post #241 of 628
I'm using the i1 display3 as well, but I always profile it with my colormunki spectro before calibration. I agree the i1 display 3 can wander, but a nice spectro locks it pretty close to reality. Sure my spectro is bottom of the barrel but it looks pretty close to my eyes (which are incidentally quite good by human standards, but can't hold a candle to a hubble or jeti).
post #242 of 628
My trude arrived today. i do not have the equipment to measure brightness but I can see that I clearly got a brighter picture in 24p. Ist es also possible to reduce crosstalk with the settings for opening and closing time the trude provides. I could clearly figure out that for example in bottom up 3D the mouse pointer was clearly visible even when it was on the wrong sice where it should not be visible. With some rough optimisiations on the timings it nearly vanished and it is still brighter than before.
I have a 2m diagonal gain 1.0 screen and have a sufficiently beight picture in low lamp mode. I must admit that I first forgot to open the iris, which is clamped to 13 for 3D anfd ig was still whatchable. With the original emitter I would never forget that because it was way to dim.
post #243 of 628
Ive being using the Mitsubishi HC5 for a couple days, and the experience has being very positive.

My home cinema entertainemt is my living room (non-dedicated) white walls with 100" manual screen lusocreen white gain 1.0, my viewing distance from the screen is about 2,90m (9 feet) , the HC5 is ceiling mounted (VOGELS PPC1000 ) at about 4,50m (14,5 feet ) from the screen.

This is my third projector, my previous PJs was the optoma hd700x (720p) , Epson TW6000 aka 3010 (1080p) , i bought the HC5 based on reviews of this topics, HC9000 bla. bla etc etc, i found this PJ on ebay.de for 2100$ shipping included brand new, it came with MITSU 3D emmiter and glasses 3D, it was a nice deal the HC5 in europe sell for about 2600$ to 3300$.

This PJ is big, very big and heavy , i struggle to ceiling mounted, ( my precious wife was a big help) the vogles support click system its not the best to hang the PJ in ceiling, but much better to make small adjustments afterwards, cant complain too much due the relative low cost.




2D Quality

The HC5 has one of the best 2D images i ever experience, very smooth image, very nice colors, beautiful black levels, even out-of-the-box the skins tone looks adequate, one impressive scene in avatar is the attack to mother-tree where everything is ashes, the blacks , greys colors are impressive, with sense of deep in image....but the movie is 2D smile.gif
The Mede8er X3D player jukebox color it really shines when is projected by the HC5.

I notice a little too much on yellow colors, but im sure i will manage to correct the gama colors when calibrate it, using the X-rite I1 colimeter.
In a room with White walls i didnt expect to have this king of performance in 2D, even with some ambient light the colors dont look washed out like it was with my previous Epson 3010.

3D

this is one step backwards relative to Epson 3010, there not enough light /lumens in some 3D movies with low light, for example : how to train your dragon 3D (night scenes)
But recent movies 2012 or 2013 like Turtles tale 2 3D or jack the giant slayer 3D with better luminosity in 3D, the 3D experience in HC5 looks acceptable even in rooms like mine, but to my personnel preferences, i would still prefer 300 or 400 lumens more.
The amount of 3D ghosting is acceptable, maybe a hair worse than the 3010, but the epson canon light clearly wins and make all the difference in 3D experience.

The mitsubishi 3D glasses EY-3DGS-1U have low ambient light protection, and are not the most comfortable 3D glasses ive used, i bought the Sony playstation 3D IR glasses, model CECH-ZED1U and are much better deal without loss in 3D experience, more comfortable, better design, bigger lents, and much cheaper.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00562O8U0/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1




Heres some pictures before being ceiling mounted




and the solution i found to hold the PJ in position until i figure out how the vogles system works properly biggrin.gif



If you bought any vogles mount get the Pros to do the job mad.gif


Finally in place




Positve


black level (even in white room )
sharpness
Smooth image
CMS advance calibration
FRC (frame creation) true video
Motorized focus
Motorized zoom
Motorized lents shift (horizontal and vertical )
Personalized IRIS ( open, variable, dynamic, user 1, 2, 3 )
Pixels adjust
anamorphic lents support
Very quiet (eve with IRIS open

Its not usual to see this kind of features in projectors at this price point.


Negative

Remote (the HC5500 from 2008 has same remote)
Menus
3D Glasses

disclaimer: i cant considerer the 3D negative in HC5, its limited in amount of brightness, but in 3D torch mode, it helps with more lumens, for me its on the edge of being acceptable.
post #244 of 628
Thread Starter 
We played Remember Me in 3D with my friend for an hour and then switched to 2D. We felt like the torture was over. Really, 3D is not the positive point of this projector. 2D, however, is simply outstanding. I wonder how 2D compares to its direct competitors, Sony HW50 and JVC RS-46.
post #245 of 628
I got some Samsung IR glasses from a friend. I did not test them so far, but even when they are disabled you can see that they are a bit darker than the mits glasses and they also have a more yellow cast, whereas the glasses from mits are quite neutral. I strongly recommend to use the trude and the glasses from mits.
post #246 of 628
Test the samsung glasses and tell us how they went. smile.gif

The sony 3d glasses have the lents a bit darker ( see the pictures above ) but in real 3D i didnt note any differences in viewing.
post #247 of 628
The samsung glasses dont work. I tested some 3D with those LG test disc and I stil have to conclude that crosstalk is much better now with the trude and some optimisations.

I made some pictures with my nexus4. The quality is bad, however maybe it es of any help. Unfortunaltely I dont have pictures of with the original emitter, but as one can see especially the disturbung black on white ghosting is now acceptable.


Without glasses:
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behind one glass:
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Edited by steak2 - 9/5/13 at 4:10am
post #248 of 628
here a video in living room , with loads of blacks and whites , pj doesnt have any kind of calibration, the lamp has 30 hours.

Media player Med100X3D
post #249 of 628
If anyone is interested, I have a used hc5 for sale. Looking to sell it quickly. I needed more zoom and a brighter projector so that's why I'm selling it. Pm me. I have a classified ad on avs as well.
post #250 of 628
Does the hc5 have an anamorphic mode?
post #251 of 628
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Originally Posted by armstrr View Post

Does the hc5 have an anamorphic mode?

Yes, it has the anamorphic stretch mode for use with an anamorphic lens. It does not (AFAICT) have its own lens memories to allow for using a scope screen without the lens. Of course the lens is the best option as it puts more pixels on the screen, but it is a more expensive option than the "poor man's anamorphic mode" which some projectors today have by saving multiple lens settings.
post #252 of 628
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

Yes, it has the anamorphic stretch mode for use with an anamorphic lens. It does not (AFAICT) have its own lens memories to allow for using a scope screen without the lens. Of course the lens is the best option as it puts more pixels on the screen, but it is a more expensive option than the "poor man's anamorphic mode" which some projectors today have by saving multiple lens settings.
Thanks. That helps. I happen to have a uh480 kicking around
post #253 of 628
Well, I currently have around 300 hours on my hc5 and I am still very pleased with it. Having said that though, it is tough at this time of year to resist the urge to try something new! To attempt to resist my temptations, I have ramped up my black velveting efforts, adding 8' of black velvet in front of my screen using the old exercise mat covered in fabric option detailed by SOWK here. This has resulted in nearly a total black pit and floating image which I am very much enjoying. There are only a few features left in the front 8' of my room to cover everything possible and then I will be extending my velveting to around 12' out or so to ensure that everything in my field of vision when watching is black velvet except for the screen. Joann must love me.

I'd still like to try a few more things though and am considering either:

-purchasing a darbee darblet
I have tried a darbee on my previous optoma hd8600 single chip dlp projector, and found the results to be underwhelming, particularly in comparison to optoma's 'reality engine' which had a detail enhancement feature that very closely mirrored the effect the darbee offered. I suspect the results with the hc5 would be more pronounced as the image is softer. I think the benefits of the darbee have been well documented on this forum but are there any other hc5 owners with a darbee able to give feedback on the two working together?

-purchasing a X-Rite Display 3 PRO Colorimeter and giving calibration a try
The initial costs are on the high side, but I have been interested to see the benefits of calibration first hand. I am unclear on how often recalibration of the meter would be required though, and this would be a cost to factor into the initial purchase as well of course. My hesitation here is that many who have calibrated the hc5 suggest that it is quite good out of the box and I'd be concerned to drop $600 on a meter only to get marginal benefits. Any more feedback from hc5 owners who have calibrated their pjs? And is the display 3 pro a good meter to start with and can anyone steer me to a good location to purchase one in Canada?
post #254 of 628
I wasn't overly thrilled with the darbee and my HC5 when I had it. It was still beneficial, but made for a noisier picture at lower levels than it did for my JVC. Darbee and the JVC was a great upgrade. Not sure if it is because of the killer processing the hc5 already does - or if it is just me?tongue.gif

Nice job with the velvet. When I completely fabric'd my room was amazing the extra depth I could see in the image.
post #255 of 628
I'm thinking of selling my HC5 (still in the contemplation stage) and keeping the Sharp I have, even though this PJ is better by far than the Sharp on 2D movies. Talk me out of it or into it, I am going around and around. I did get a perfect unit in that sharpness is great corner to corner to corner to corner and it calibrated very nicely. What to do?

Anyone have an idea on what to ask for an HC5 with the emitter and 2 pairs of glasses with 175 hours on the clock as well as a Square Trade 3 year warranty that can be transferred? Maybe that will make up my mind...one way or the other.
post #256 of 628
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Originally Posted by jimmy12 View Post

Well, I currently have around 300 hours on my hc5 and I am still very pleased with it. Having said that though, it is tough at this time of year to resist the urge to try something new! To attempt to resist my temptations, I have ramped up my black velveting efforts, adding 8' of black velvet in front of my screen using the old exercise mat covered in fabric option detailed by SOWK here. This has resulted in nearly a total black pit and floating image which I am very much enjoying. There are only a few features left in the front 8' of my room to cover everything possible and then I will be extending my velveting to around 12' out or so to ensure that everything in my field of vision when watching is black velvet except for the screen. Joann must love me.

I'd still like to try a few more things though and am considering either:

-purchasing a darbee darblet
I have tried a darbee on my previous optoma hd8600 single chip dlp projector, and found the results to be underwhelming, particularly in comparison to optoma's 'reality engine' which had a detail enhancement feature that very closely mirrored the effect the darbee offered. I suspect the results with the hc5 would be more pronounced as the image is softer. I think the benefits of the darbee have been well documented on this forum but are there any other hc5 owners with a darbee able to give feedback on the two working together?

-purchasing a X-Rite Display 3 PRO Colorimeter and giving calibration a try
The initial costs are on the high side, but I have been interested to see the benefits of calibration first hand. I am unclear on how often recalibration of the meter would be required though, and this would be a cost to factor into the initial purchase as well of course. My hesitation here is that many who have calibrated the hc5 suggest that it is quite good out of the box and I'd be concerned to drop $600 on a meter only to get marginal benefits. Any more feedback from hc5 owners who have calibrated their pjs? And is the display 3 pro a good meter to start with and can anyone steer me to a good location to purchase one in Canada?

I would first think seriously about a Lumagen VP. I have really been impressed with it. If you want to keep it cheap, a mini-3d will work great, if you want something to handle 4K (i.e., future-proof to a certain extent), then get the 2041, which also has an integrated darblet. Then you can get a display 3 pro and autocalibrate, which is very nice. The HC-5 is great out of the box, but a nice calibration really makes it shine. The high end Lumagen with a display 3 and autocal software will probably run you over 3K, but the Lumagen may very well last a decade.
post #257 of 628
Thanks for the input on the darbee + hc5 combo and also the calibration/lumagen GoCaboNow and 3dmaven.

I'm thinking of holding off on the darbee now and just sticking with black velveting anything I can get my hands on. As for the 2041 with autocalibrate, 3k is definitely a lot, but definitely something worth considering. I'll do some more reading on it. Thanks.
post #258 of 628
Thread Starter 
Here's an example of how darbee affects the image on my HC5: http://www.avsforum.com/t/935620/show-us-your-screenshots/2910#post_23758850
post #259 of 628
Very nice job of the darbee demo shots. I do like the enhancement it is providing for sure. Thanks for posting those.

The issue now though is that I have started to contemplate upping my screen size from 115" to 135". The cost of doing that + some more velvet for my ceiling + darbee is getting pretty steep. I've basically resorted to having to sell old hobby gear like guitars and amps and anything else I have laying around here (including non-vital organs) to pay for these theater mods as it is, thanks to strict austerity measures imposed by the Mrs.

If only I could go back to the days of enjoying content more than messing around with the theater... oh the money and time I would save.
post #260 of 628
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Originally Posted by jimmy12 View Post

Very nice job of the darbee demo shots. I do like the enhancement it is providing for sure. Thanks for posting those.

The issue now though is that I have started to contemplate upping my screen size from 115" to 135". The cost of doing that + some more velvet for my ceiling + darbee is getting pretty steep. I've basically resorted to having to sell old hobby gear like guitars and amps and anything else I have laying around here (including non-vital organs) to pay for these theater mods as it is, thanks to strict austerity measures imposed by the Mrs.

If only I could go back to the days of enjoying content more than messing around with the theater... oh the money and time I would save.


Once upon a time, I enjoyed music a lot. Then, I discovered high end audio and the music took a back seat to the equipment and accessories. I stopped enjoying the music.


That's one of the things we have to be careful with in these hobbies for sure.
post #261 of 628
How does this compare to HC9000 ? Is it better or worse ?
post #262 of 628
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Originally Posted by Qualunquemente View Post

How does this compare to HC9000 ? Is it better or worse ?

it's the same projector, no differences in PQ.
post #263 of 628
So are we still talking of a projector with at 20K:1 native contrast like the HC9000 ?
post #264 of 628
Thread Starter 
Yes, we're still talking. cool.gif
post #265 of 628
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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

Yes, we're still talking. cool.gif

Well, much less talking than before. This thread is particularly dead.

It is a shame that this projector had such a limited run. It is really a spectacular deal and I notice they are still showing up little by little on Ebay.
post #266 of 628
Hi,

this Thread is still rocking, cause i have One , now!!!
Sold my hd 87 Last week and dont wanna wait for the 91, so got a hc5 and this is the amazing PJ i have own.

Greetings
post #267 of 628
Hey Poem. So what did you notice going from the hd87 to the hc5? I posted some comments earlier having come from the hd86. While the hd86 is brighter, I really prefer the deeper blacks and more detailed shadows. I'm still very happy with the upgrade!
post #268 of 628
Hi jimmy,

i´ve read the whole thread and the information and experience from its owners.

I also read your experience and it is the same as mine.
Now I know what I'm missing all the time at the optoma, the punch in the dark scenes.
I see things in dark scenes that i have never seen before.
In bright scenes there is no difference.
First i am shocked: the sharpness when the picture is standing still:eek:
When you came from this razor sharp image from the optoma and now you have focus the mits,
i think i need some glasses or so;)
But when this incridible movie machine comes in movement, i never think at this shocking moment.

What still impresses me: the calm image
The Motion in the Film looks like nailed into the screen even with or without FI:D !

This the resaon why i don´t buy a JVC X35.
I see tearing at its motion image, i don´t like this, i also see a flicker.
But that is probably my eyes, i also never can buy a Panasonic Plasma.

I prefer to dispense a little less contrast than in those quiet pictures impressive.

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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

It is a shame that this projector had such a limited run. It is really a spectacular deal and I notice they are still showing up little by little on Ebay.

I'm on your side, larrimore.

3d I have not tested yet, next week the trude comes around with some different glasses i ordred by amazon.
The panasonic TY-EW3D3ME, the Xpand X103, SainSonic Galilei 901 and a universal glass from an no name manufactorer,
We are watching something that goes like this, any other experience from hc5 users ?
I am rookie in 3d:rolleyes:!

Greetings poem
post #269 of 628
Most of you have seen my posts in this thread and the Sharp XV-Z30000 thread as I have both and have been comparing them nonstop for two weeks. Well, after calibrating both and living with them side by side A-B, I am definitely not able to give this projector up. Although the Sharp has pluses, the HC5 is just head and shoulders above it for 90% of viewing. I calibrated the HC5 in Cinema, Video and 3D modes and I am very happy with- Cinema for critical dark room movie viewing, Video for ambient light and 3D for 3D only watching.

After really going through the paces, I just couldn't force myself to box it up to sell it. The contrast and colors are just too awesome and I was pleasantly surprised that the Sharp was not really brighter once calibrated (Sharp 3D is a bit brighter, but 3D is likely less than 10% of our viewing).

For those of you in Europe, I'd like more information on the Trude as I hear it really cleans up the 3D over the Mitsubishi emitter. If it does wonders for you, let me know and I may look into it.
post #270 of 628
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

For those of you in Europe, I'd like more information on the Trude as I hear it really cleans up the 3D over the Mitsubishi emitter. If it does wonders for you, let me know and I may look into it.

I would love to hear more about this as well. I love 3D, but the Mits is pretty mediocre with the IR emitter.
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