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post #391 of 628
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Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post

Bummer about Mits no longer making projectors. I have an HC4000 right now. Does the HC5 have the ability to change the vertical position of the picture like my 4000 does? I use this option to move the letterbox bars onto the area above my screen where it's projected onto my black top drop and projector housing that's covered in black velvet. Sure would like to have to have motorized zoom to fine tune with each movie.
Yes, the HC5 has vertical, and horizontal, lens shift
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Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post

Anybody have a PDF of the owner's manual? I googled with no sucess, and even the Mits website has "0" info on this model. What the warranty-Is it 3 years?
2 yr warranty in the states, according to Mits customer service rep I spoke with a few months ago.

There was a pdf of the HC5 owners manual on the web last summer. I downloaded one. I think I got to it via Mits Australia site or something?
post #392 of 628
Hi mate, surprised you are not getting great blacks in a totally light controlled room. Every time I lower the ambient light it makes a big difference and I am still awaiting blackout curtains.

Although I have my iris on 14, i can even have it fully closed 18 and get decent light because I am on minimum throw for only a 92" screen. I use a 1.2 gain screen.

I have projected on a dark grey painted wall but that dos effect colour and brightness. (you will get better blacks though)

I also used some basic settings from the 9000 calibration which has helped. Not done much just lowered followed brightness, contrast and colour settings from here.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/hc9000d/calibration.php

Looks very good to my eyes.
post #393 of 628
I am getting 15 calibrated foot lamberts on my 100" cinewhite screen with an iris of 5.
If you crave straight up blacks then go buy a CRT PJ. I came from a Sony G90 which is arguably the king of CRT PJs and while not having true black this PJ is still very very good at black.
post #394 of 628
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Originally Posted by SilkyAndy X View Post

Hi mate, surprised you are not getting great blacks in a totally light controlled room. Every time I lower the ambient light it makes a big difference and I am still awaiting blackout curtains.

Although I have my iris on 14, i can even have it fully closed 18 and get decent light because I am on minimum throw for only a 92" screen. I use a 1.2 gain screen.

I have projected on a dark grey painted wall but that dos effect colour and brightness. (you will get better blacks though)

I also used some basic settings from the 9000 calibration which has helped. Not done much just lowered followed brightness, contrast and colour settings from here.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/hc9000d/calibration.php

Looks very good to my eyes.

Nice, I'll give those settings a try, looks like just a mild adjustment to the CR and Brightness settings and I'll be set.

I can get the screen material to replace my cinewhite screen HERE for $176.50. I'm wondering if it's worth it...

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Originally Posted by neonsky View Post

I am getting 15 calibrated foot lamberts on my 100" cinewhite screen with an iris of 5.
If you crave straight up blacks then go buy a CRT PJ. I came from a Sony G90 which is arguably the king of CRT PJs and while not having true black this PJ is still very very good at black.

Going from an Optoma HD20 to my HC5 was insane, considering the physical size, I'd never thought i'd own such a huge projector. But wow, the G90, I didn't even know those things were still being made (CRT projectors) I can't even begin to imagine how big and heavy that thing is.

Why'd you decide to go from the G90 to the HC5? Comparison impression/thoughts?
post #395 of 628
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Yes, the HC5 has vertical, and horizontal, lens shift
2 yr warranty in the states, according to Mits customer service rep I spoke with a few months ago.

There was a pdf of the HC5 owners manual on the web last summer. I downloaded one. I think I got to it via Mits Australia site or something?

It's not the lens shift I'm asking about. Other Mits PJ's have a 2:35 setting and an adjustment for Vertical location that doesn't appear to be present in the HC9000 or HC5.
Edited by StevenC56 - 11/6/13 at 6:54am
post #396 of 628
I went from the g90 to the hc5 because I wanted something that needed less tweaking. A wise wise user on here told me awhile a go to find a new hobby. I am not gonna spin this into a CRT vs digital post, so I will just say I am happy with my choice and it works for me. If you'd like a further discussion please pm me and we can chat.
post #397 of 628
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by neonsky View Post

A wise wise user on here told me awhile a go to find a new hobby.
Could it possibly be Mark? smile.gif
Is there any living soul who was successful in using custom gamma on this projector? And by being successful I mean setting his target gamma and avoid banding.
post #398 of 628
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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

Could it possibly be Mark? smile.gif
Is there any living soul who was successful in using custom gamma on this projector? And by being successful I mean setting his target gamma and avoid banding.

Nope it wasn't Mark. ;p

Mine hit a 2.2 but I still have a small small banding going on.
post #399 of 628
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But you hit it without using custom gamma controls, right?
post #400 of 628
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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

But you hit it without using custom gamma controls, right?
When you say custom gamma controls, you mean adjusting each ire step correct?
post #401 of 628
Thread Starter 
Yes.
post #402 of 628
Mine was done using the custom gamma correction then. Before it was 2.07.
post #403 of 628
Thread Starter 
"Was using"? Did you get your projector pre-calibrated or something?
post #404 of 628
Nope. I guess should have worded it differently. Mah bad.
post #405 of 628
Hi,

I just got my new HC5 a couple of days ago, and it looks beautiful.
I want to get a 3D kit for the projector, but still not quite clear which one should I get.

As far as I've seen there are the Mitsubishi EY-3D-EMT1 and EY-3D-EMT2H.
As well as a Trude model which seems hard to come by, and not sure which glasses are compatible.
Also there is monstervision which seems to be phased out? As well as Optoma BG-BC100B which seems identical to the Monstervision visually.

Can anyone help with the combo that yields the best results?

Thanks
post #406 of 628
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Originally Posted by dc anderson View Post
 

cool, did a little more research and decided to pick up the Xpand 103's, they seem to have a good overall  review of them:

http://www.amazon.com/Xpand-Multibrand-Glasses-single-pack/dp/B00462RMS6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1382636263&sr=1-1&keywords=xpand+103

 

 

okay, update for those looking. I couldn't get the 103's to sync up correctly still had serious ghosting all over. amazon has the PS3's for $13 a set. so I ordered a couple sets of those.

 

more info to follow.

post #407 of 628
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Originally Posted by dc anderson View Post


okay, update for those looking. I couldn't get the 103's to sync up correctly still had serious ghosting all over. amazon has the PS3's for $13 a set. so I ordered a couple sets of those.

more info to follow.


Interested in hearing if those PS3 glasses work! What transmitter are you using again? Thanks.
post #408 of 628
I had an opportunity to test drive a Sony HW30 side by side with an HC5 for a short time today, so I thought I'd post a few quick results.

Note that both units had not been calibrated and brightness was not equalized between the two (basically discounting all of the observations below... but I'll still post them anyway).

-It's really interesting to see what you can get used to in terms of colors after you watch something for a while. After seeing the hw30 and hc5 on the same screen at the same time, it's clear that the picture setting I have on the hc5 shows a strong green presence while the hw30 shows a strong red presence. Man, I have to get some calibration gear.
-On an all black image with the mits HC5's manual iris all the way open, the sony hw30's iris was able to close down to virtually the same black level as the hc5. Add any white text or anything to the image, and the sony's iris started to open up showing a clear advantage for the hc5 in black levels on mixed scenes.
-On low apl scenes on its own, the sony hw30 looked very good with plenty of detail, and dark enough blacks to not be distracting. However, side by side with the mits, there's no escaping that sort of grey cast when black levels aren't at rock bottom levels. The blacks were definitely a few noticeable notches brighter than on the hc5, but for me it was still head and shoulders above my former optoma hd8600 in terms of minimizing that grey cast and getting to very respectable levels.
-The hc5's image appeared a smoother and more natural and refined than the sony hw30 (which is code for the hc5 just looked a little better overall, but due to no one aspect that I could assign a measurable/non-subjective parameter to).
-The hc5 unit itself looks like it is worth about 5x as much as the plasticy, blue-hued, little lensed sony 30 (if anyone should care what their pj looks like!)

Having said all of the above, the hw30 is a very nice pj. I was very impressed with it. It does get to that point of contrast and blacks to not be distracting, and it really looked great on bright scenes. With a bigger screen coming my way soon (I'm going from the 135 I just got to a 147!), I'm thinking I would really enjoy a sony hw50 or 55 due to the extra lumens, and would be quite happy with their black levels and contrast even if they may not be quite to the HC5's level.

Any other users have a chance to compare the sony offerings with an hc5?
post #409 of 628
I use the Mitsubishi EY-3D-EMT1 emitter with the PS3 3D glasses a pair of Xpand 105's, They all work fine, but the projector is not that great for 3D (I still can enjoy it though).
post #410 of 628
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Originally Posted by 3dmaven View Post

I use the Mitsubishi EY-3D-EMT1 emitter with the PS3 3D glasses a pair of Xpand 105's, They all work fine, but the projector is not that great for 3D (I still can enjoy it though).

I see the Mitsubishi EY-3D-EMT1 for around $167 on amazon! Seems pricey to me, any better deals around?
post #411 of 628
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jimmy12 View Post

I had an opportunity to test drive a Sony HW30 side by side with an HC5 for a short time today, so I thought I'd post a few quick results.

Note that both units had not been calibrated and brightness was not equalized between the two (basically discounting all of the observations below... but I'll still post them anyway).
Hey, jimmy, thanks for the comparison! Boy, I'm glad I picked HC5 and not Sony!
post #412 of 628
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Originally Posted by jimmy12 View Post

I had an opportunity to test drive a Sony HW30 side by side with an HC5 for a short time today, so I thought I'd post a few quick results.

Note that both units had not been calibrated and brightness was not equalized between the two (basically discounting all of the observations below... but I'll still post them anyway).

-It's really interesting to see what you can get used to in terms of colors after you watch something for a while. After seeing the hw30 and hc5 on the same screen at the same time, it's clear that the picture setting I have on the hc5 shows a strong green presence while the hw30 shows a strong red presence. Man, I have to get some calibration gear.
-On an all black image with the mits HC5's manual iris all the way open, the sony hw30's iris was able to close down to virtually the same black level as the hc5. Add any white text or anything to the image, and the sony's iris started to open up showing a clear advantage for the hc5 in black levels on mixed scenes.
-On low apl scenes on its own, the sony hw30 looked very good with plenty of detail, and dark enough blacks to not be distracting. However, side by side with the mits, there's no escaping that sort of grey cast when black levels aren't at rock bottom levels. The blacks were definitely a few noticeable notches brighter than on the hc5, but for me it was still head and shoulders above my former optoma hd8600 in terms of minimizing that grey cast and getting to very respectable levels.
-The hc5's image appeared a smoother and more natural and refined than the sony hw30 (which is code for the hc5 just looked a little better overall, but due to no one aspect that I could assign a measurable/non-subjective parameter to).
-The hc5 unit itself looks like it is worth about 5x as much as the plasticy, blue-hued, little lensed sony 30 (if anyone should care what their pj looks like!)

Having said all of the above, the hw30 is a very nice pj. I was very impressed with it. It does get to that point of contrast and blacks to not be distracting, and it really looked great on bright scenes. With a bigger screen coming my way soon (I'm going from the 135 I just got to a 147!), I'm thinking I would really enjoy a sony hw50 or 55 due to the extra lumens, and would be quite happy with their black levels and contrast even if they may not be quite to the HC5's level.

Any other users have a chance to compare the sony offerings with an hc5?

You think you were blown away coming from a Optoma hd8600? Try coming from a Optoma HD20 like I did. lol
post #413 of 628
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Originally Posted by freespace303 View Post


Interested in hearing if those PS3 glasses work! What transmitter are you using again? Thanks.

 

 

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Originally Posted by 3dmaven View Post

I use the Mitsubishi EY-3D-EMT1 emitter with the PS3 3D glasses a pair of Xpand 105's, They all work fine, but the projector is not that great for 3D (I still can enjoy it though).

 

 

got em in today, let them charge up and just popped avatar in, oh yeah, they work, I also used the mitsubishi ey-3d-emt1  IR transmitter. works great. if you order it off amazon make sure you get the right cable. the one I purchased didn't have the correct one (from 3DTV on amazon) one side was male and one was a female connector, I emailed the seller and he sent me the correct on just verify they send you the right one in the first place.

 

 

with my 10' screen when the little white floatie things were floating on the screen to touch jake, I felt like I could reach out and grab a couple. it was pretty cool. that movie is pretty good at adding depth to the screen.

post #414 of 628
A seller on eBay sells it for $1799. For those who have bought from him, any comments/advice? thx
post #415 of 628
That's who I bought mine from. He responded quickly to emails and shipped the projector safely and quickly. I had no problems ordering from him, projector is working great for the past 10 months. Very happy with my HC5!
post #416 of 628
Great. Thanks for the feedback.
post #417 of 628
Per product brochures available at MitsubishiElectric.ca website, HC9000 and HC5 are identical units.
With that in mind, could someone please share their thoughts on HC5 vs HC7900DW?
In first blush, these may be considered not to be in the same league, but their historical and current actual selling prices make them close "competitors".

This is what I could find out:
Per material on projector central, HC8000D and HC7900DW are almost identical units with 8000 having better blacks (and dimmer pic) due to 2 additional irises.
Per material on projector reviews, HC5 (i.e. HC9000) is in their "best" category, while 7900 and 8000 are in "mid" category. However, 7900 is recommended over 8000 and HC5 is no where in their top pics.

Per material elsewhere, 7900 *may* be sharper than HC5 because 7900 is DLP and HC5 is LCoS.

All that is good: bottom line is: is HC5 worth its salt? It costs $750 more ($87% more) as compared to HC7900DW ($999 vs $1750). Is it worth it? I mean, would it produce *BETTER* picture than 7900? I only want to compare based on image quality. Rest of the bells and whistles are nice but I only want the image quality to be the deciding factor for the purposes of this. Projector Central has a nice features where same images appears in various reviews which you can view side by side for some idea but in the case of HC5 (i.e. HC9000) and othes Mits offerings (8000 and 7900), HC5 had images which other reviews didn't which made side by side comparison almost impossible.

Please share your thoughts. I have bought 7900 thinking it was a better value and deal than (not to mention: a bit brighter) 8000. And now I am debating whether I should get HC5 instead.

Thanks for your help!!!
post #418 of 628
I had an opportunity to again test drive another pj alongside the HC5 today... this time it was the Epson 5020.

So I ran the epson primarily in thx mode, with the iris on its maximum setting, and the bulb set to eco. I viewed the image simultaneously with the hc5 and also using my full screen and flipping back and fourth between the hc5 and 5020 on paused shots and scenes I am familiar with. All 2d. Here are a few observations, and note that I had to set the hc5 to high lamp mode with iris open to get it close to the eco lumens the epson was putting out:
-Blacks: On an all black or nearly all black image, the epson's iris works well at closing down to a very dark black that is darker than what the hc5 puts out with its iris fully open. As soon as there is some brighter portions to the image though, the epson's iris opens up enough to show that with typical content, the hc5's blacks are easily a few notches darker than the epson's. The epson does a decent job of the black bars in 2.35 content, but I think I would mask it in my room as the greyness of the black bars could become distracting I suspect. In certain mixed scenes with equal part brights and darks, the blacks between the 2 units were indistinguishable, but that likely has as much to do with my eyes capabilities with that type of content as it does with what the pjs are actually doing.
-Contrast: On dark scenes, the hc5 pops a little more thanks to the darker blacks. On many scenes though, the epson's iris works well enough that the blacks look virtually identical to the hc5's and the brights are brighter, giving the image a lot of pop. Keep in mind I'm comparing a 300 hour bulb with a fresh 0 hour bulb on the 5020, so this may have something to do with that.
-Pixel fill: No contest here of course. The hc5 looks smooth as silk with pixels that are virtually invisible even at very close viewing distances. The epsons screen door effect was very obvious, particularly with my 135" screen and 13' viewing distance, but even when I stepped to the back of my theater, it still is noticeable. To me, this is the biggest detractor with the epson for my room/screen/viewing distance combination.
-Input lag: I did not take any measurements, but even with all processing turned off and fast frame processing turned on with the epson, there was a visible delay between when the hc5 showed a frame and when it came up on the epson 5020 while watching 1080p bluray. However, when gaming, I did not notice any difference between the two (either visually, or by feel after pushing a button). I think I could happily game on the 5020 with the offline, fps type games I typically play. I suspect though that measurements would show (and have shown based on some measurements posted on the forum here) that the hc5 has the edge in this department.
-Brightness: Based on Art's measurements, the hc5 should have the edge in calibrated lumens, but without calibration and with my hc5's 300 hour bulb, the epson was brighter in thx eco mode and has tons of horsepower if needed for 3d or ambient light viewing. I flicked past the epson's bright modes, but without any calibration to them (and I imagine even with calibration) I would find them hard to watch as the colors are obviously off quite a bit. As well, these ultra bright modes further reveal the 5020's screen door effect.
-Sharpness: My hc5 is starting to look a little on the soft side to me and I think the epson is a touch sharper. Super resolution was a no-go for me though, creating too many artifacts. I prefer the manual focus on the epson to the motorized on the hc5. It is very easy to dial in.
-Overall image quality: The screen door effect on the epson is likely of little consequence to many depending on screen size, seating distance, ocd, and vision, but for me, it would be an issue although one I could potentially live with, and could likely easily live with had I not seen different levels of pixel fill. For me with 720p cable content, it almost made faces look a little off, or a little too jagged maybe. I did not notice this as much in the dark knight blu ray, but likely being a little on the darker side and higher resolution helps matters. The hc5 offers a smoother, more life like image overall.

Summary: There is no doubt that the epson is a very nice pj and is a great value, particularly if you need to make use of all that extra horsepower that the 5020 has. The unit itself looks slick, the remote is superior to the hc5's, the iris is aggressive and is relatively unobtrusive (far better than the hc5's variable iris), it is extremely bright, it looks excellent in bright scenes with tons of pop (some of the best shots I've seen on any pj), contrast is good enough and blacks are low enough to not be distracting (although I would still mask), for the type of gaming I do lag was good enough, on mixed contrast scenes it was hard to distinguish the better blacks between the hc5 and the epson, and you really cannot beat the warranty. On the flip side though, to me the screen door effect is a concern. I was expecting input lag, audible noise, or maybe motion handling, or maybe black levels to be a bigger problem, but it was definitely the screen door effect that would make me want to lament and spend a lot more time with this projector to see if I could look past it. On the topic of audible noise, it's something that I have seen discussed quite a bit on the epson. I did all my viewing with no audio so I could hear everything the pjs were doing, and my overall take is that the noise the epson outputs is very acceptable in eco mode. The iris definitely makes some noise, kind of a low rumble when its working (it's actually quite humorous to listen to it try to battle certain scenes), but I think it would easily be masked by audio if it were mounted more than a few feet from the main viewing position and it's really not an annoying sound at all (flashbacks to the ptae7000 iris whining and the benq w7000 noise, which I can't even remember what it sounded like other than the fact that it was horrific).

Anyway, thought I'd share this information in case anyone is interested or is considering the hc5 and wants a few somewhat creditless, non-objective observations for their analysis.
post #419 of 628
Nice, I was pondering a 5010 as an alternative to the HC5. I'm glad I went with the HC5. Thanks for the thorough write up!
post #420 of 628
Now that I have a more expensive projector, I figured it's about time I buy an APC for it. What do you guys think about this model?

CyberPower CP850PFCLCD
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