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post #1021 of 2108
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

Hi guys tomorrow best buy gonna send somebody to calibrate my set,pn60f8500,220 hours on the set,any sugestions?do i have to ask for something special? I know best buy is not the best on this but i dont know anyone here i puerto rico that can do that.best buy is free but....any calibration is better that none? Help please.

Go for it. Here is what you need to tell your calibrator:

1. Only activate CAL-DAY & NIGHT modes in the service menu - nothing else. Everything needed to calibrate is now in the user menu.
2. I shouldn't have to mention this, but make sure he uses small window test patterns and not full screen Field patterns.
3. All Automatic features should be off except to leave Black Optimizer set to Dark Room during and after calibration.
4. Rumor has it that corporate wants them in and out in 90 minutes. Ask him. 90 minutes is NOT enough time to do day, night, and 3D.
5. Do reference (night viewing) in the Movie mode and have him set it up with 35 Foot Lamberts max luminance.
6. Do the day mode in CAL-DAY and have him set it for 50 Foot Lamberts or more if he can get it without clipping white or colors. Just tell him that word for word - he'll know.
7. He truly won't have time for 3D - no problem - I'll tell you how to set it up in the CAL-NIGHT mode using some of his settings after he's gone.

Now - payback. Ask him the following and report back:
1. What software is he using?
2. What pattern generator?
3. What meter or meters? If only one meter, ask if it is "profiled" for your TV and if so how did he do it?

I'm off to Canada for a few days of Walleye fishing but will check in with my Samsung Pad 2 in a couple days. They actually have WiFi at the fish camp. smile.gif
post #1022 of 2108
Do you think philwojos Movie is 35 or 40fL?

[edit] probably 35fL. I asked because at the shootout they were calibrated to 40fL.
Edited by pieandchips - 6/14/13 at 1:54pm
post #1023 of 2108
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Both are right.

For North America: Start with Power off then Mute > 1 > 8 >2 > Power on.

For the EU: Start with Power off then Info > Menu > Mute > Power on.

Do this at your own risk. It is easy to brick the Samsung while in the service menu.



Those that think there is no difference between the NA and EU models should give this some thought. smile.gif


Larry

Ok, now I am a very nervous about entering the service menu. Has anyone written up how to enter the service menu and enable the two CAL, day and night, modes? I only want to go into the service menu to enable those and then exit but definitely want to avoid bricking my F8500. wink.gif
post #1024 of 2108
Make a copy of all your settings. Entering the service menu will reset them to the default values.

Get into the service menu as I described. I take no responsibility for any damage you may cause while you are in the service menu.

Move down the list using the arrow keys to the item "Expert" and press Enter.

Using the up and down arrow keys highlight the "N/D ADJ" item and press Enter.

Use the right arrow to get the "ON" setting. (Not "Fix.")

Hit Return.

With the down arrow key, highlight the "Source" item and use the right or left arrow keys to get "ALL"

Click Return twice to get back to the main menu. (Not really needed but do it anyway.)

Turn the Power off.

Power back on and the two new CAL modes will be available. Now, as I said, the original settings in Movie and the other original modes will be at their factory defaults so you will have to re-enter them.


Larry
Edited by LarryInRI - 6/14/13 at 4:58pm
post #1025 of 2108
^ You will need a traditional button remote to enter the service menu FYI.
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post #1027 of 2108
^ That's a nice price smile.gif

If you want one in a hurry, you can also pop to Walmart and get a cheapo generic for 10 bucks.
post #1028 of 2108
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

^ That's a nice price smile.gif

If you want one in a hurry, you can also pop to Walmart and get a cheapo generic for 10 bucks.

Hi
Thx for sharing your calibration, I have the same size 51F8500.
I don't understand one thing, your calibration has same setting for all pic modes (Cal-Day, Cal-Night, Movie), which means the picture does not change when you switch from one mode to another, I did test them and in fact picture is the same. I thought Cal-Day/Night are supposed to be different to reflect the difference in day and night
Thanks for clarifying more
post #1029 of 2108
can I leave my darbee in place during calibration or I should turn it off or I should remove it from the path during the calibration process?
post #1030 of 2108
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Originally Posted by anis_ber View Post

Hi
Thx for sharing your calibration, I have the same size 51F8500.
I don't understand one thing, your calibration has same setting for all pic modes (Cal-Day, Cal-Night, Movie), which means the picture does not change when you switch from one mode to another, I did test them and in fact picture is the same. I thought Cal-Day/Night are supposed to be different to reflect the difference in day and night
Thanks for clarifying more

They are only different if you set them differently. If you use the same settings than they will look the same. Pie doesn't use variable calibrations and uses the "one size fits all" method. You can always tweak to your own liking however smile.gif
post #1031 of 2108
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Make a copy of all your settings. Entering the service menu will reset them to the default values.

Get into the service menu as I described. I take no responsibility for any damage you may cause while you are in the service menu.

Move down the list using the arrow keys to the item "Expert" and press Enter.

Using the up and down arrow keys highlight the "N/D ADJ" item and press Enter.

Use the right arrow to get the "ON" setting. (Not "Fix.")

Hit Return.

With the down arrow key, highlight the "Source" item and use the right or left arrow keys to get "ALL"

Click Return twice to get back to the main menu. (Not really needed but do it anyway.)

Turn the Power off.

Power back on and the two new CAL modes will be available. Now, as I said, the original settings in Movie and the other original modes will be at their factory defaults so you will have to re-enter them.


Larry

Larry, I don't have "expert" on mine it has Option, Control, Debug, SVC and ADC/WB ???
post #1032 of 2108
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Originally Posted by anis_ber View Post

Hi
Thx for sharing your calibration, I have the same size 51F8500.
I don't understand one thing, your calibration has same setting for all pic modes (Cal-Day, Cal-Night, Movie)

Hi. Yes I see that is confusing. I shall edit it.
I am referring to the fact you can put the values into one of three places - Movie / DAY or NIGHT (if you have the DAY or NIGHT modes available).
post #1033 of 2108
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Larry, I don't have "expert" on mine it has Option, Control, Debug, SVC and ADC/WB ???

I suppose you´re from UK, we here at Europe don´t have such kind of option where you can enable CAL-modes.
You can get Expert to SM with factory remote but it stays grayed.
When asked that from Samsung answer was that they make sets with different kind of features for different global areas rolleyes.gif
post #1034 of 2108
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Larry, I don't have "expert" on mine it has Option, Control, Debug, SVC and ADC/WB ???

CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT are only available for NA models frown.gif
post #1035 of 2108
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

They are only different if you set them differently. If you use the same settings than they will look the same. Pie doesn't use variable calibrations and uses the "one size fits all" method. You can always tweak to your own liking however smile.gif
I'm still a little confused......So the only reason philwojo's calibration had different 2-pt and 10-pt settings for cal-day and movie modes was for picture effect? (Or was it required??) I too thought there were inherent, internally tweaked differences between the modes (i.e. movie to cal day), that required different cal adjustments. ?? It's like dynamic and relaxed modes.....impossible to make those look the same...
Edited by DanF8500 - 6/15/13 at 8:39am
post #1036 of 2108
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

I'm still a little confused......So the only reason philwojo's calibration had different 2-pt and 10-pt settings for cal-day and movie modes was for picture effect? (Or was it required??) I too thought there were inherent, internally tweaked differences between the modes (i.e. movie to cal day), that required different cal adjustments. ?? It's like dynamic and relaxed modes.....impossible to make those look the same...

Usually calibrators calibrate movie as a night mode and cal-day as a day mode. The differences between the two would be dependent on what the calibrator was trying to achieve in each mode (usually a target ftL level) for instance you could calibrate movie to 35ftL for night time viewing and then cal-day for 50 ftL for day time viewing. Both would need different settings in order to be as accurate as possible.
post #1037 of 2108
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Originally Posted by DanF8500 View Post

I'm still a little confused......
All they are are two other places to store calibrations. They could have been called 'EXTRA-MODE1 and EXTRA-MODE2'.

Handy to flick between for different viewing setups, such as a bright calibration for day viewing in a bright room, and night time lower luminance viewing.
post #1038 of 2108
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT are only available for NA models frown.gif

Cheers frown.gif
post #1039 of 2108
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Originally Posted by Make73 View Post

I suppose you´re from UK, we here at Europe don´t have such kind of option where you can enable CAL-modes.
You can get Expert to SM with factory remote but it stays grayed.
When asked that from Samsung answer was that they make sets with different kind of features for different global areas rolleyes.gif


Thanks, Make. I meant to point that out but it slipped my aging brain. smile.gif

Yes, the Expert mode is not available for the European models. I'm not sure about the rest of the world other than North America.


Larry
post #1040 of 2108
It's not available on Korean models. rolleyes.gif
post #1041 of 2108
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

It's not available on Korean models. rolleyes.gif

Now that is really funny. biggrin.gif But it begs the question, why? confused.gif

Larry
post #1042 of 2108
I just finished my last calibration the results and settings are below.




PICTURE MODE: MOVIE
CELL LIGHT: 20
CONTRAST: 95
BRIGHTNESS: 50
SHARPNESS: 20 OR 25
COLOR: 50
TINT: 50
FLESH TONE: 0
GAMMA: 0
DYNAMIC CONTRAST: LOW
COLOR TONE: WARM 2
BLACK OPTIMIZER: DARK ROOM

WB
R-OFF 20
G-OFF 25
B-OFF 23
R- GAIN 18
G-GAIN 23
B-GAIN 24

10 PT WB
1: R+1 G+3 B+3
2: R+3 G+4 B+4
3 R+3 G+4 B+4
4 R+2 G+4 B+6
5 R+4 G+3 B+4
6 R+8 G+6 B+7
7 R+5 G 0 B+6
8 R+8 G+2 B+3
9 R+9 G+3 B+10
10 R-2 G-2 B-3

COLOR SPACE
RED: R 51 G 9 B 4
GREEN: R 25 G 54 B 5
BLUE: R 0 G 3 B 60
YELLOW: R 49 G 51 B 6
CYAN: R 23 G 54 B 53
MAGENTA: R 51 G 13 B 55
post #1043 of 2108
^ That's got to be bright cool.gif
Thanks for the numbers. Please list TV, meter, software (Calman Basic?) and luminance fL your calibration get's you to.

Also, dynamic contrast is enabled. Please explain why. smile.gif
post #1044 of 2108
The ISF calibration guy is coming to do my 51" this coming week. He is charging 250.00 that includes only one input. Each additional input is 100.00. Will I be able
to manually copy over all the settings to other inputs and retain some degree of accuracy? I use the RGB input from my HTPC now and likely for the near future.
At some point I'll be building another HTPC for myself and giving my current one to my son. The new video card will likely have HDMI out. Is it really worth it
to pay 100.00 extra for HDMI calibration now? Thanks
post #1045 of 2108
^ Inputs are very easy to transpose settings over. I think they are referring to viewing modes such as a mode for watching movies in subdued light, and a mode for watching regular TV in the day. These modes take quite some time to produce and result in a separate set of calibration values per mode.

If they really are charging $100 to copy the same set of numbers from one mode to another, then don't do it.

A: Yes you can copy over one calibration from one mode area to another very easily. They should provide you with all the calibration values they create.
post #1046 of 2108
^So the component and composite video inputs on the 8500 will calibrate identically to the hdmi inputs? Good to know.....
post #1047 of 2108
^I was not referring to the analogue inputs. I was referring to the digital HDMI1-4 and the internal tuner and Portal.
post #1048 of 2108
^Hmmm.....So hirudinae's calibrator charging $100 extra to calibrate additional tv inputs makes sense then, because he stated he currently is using an rgb source (his htpc), which doesn't have an hdmi connector....just trying to understand your initial reply to him, Pie. When hirundinae said "input", I understood it to be one of his tv's inputs (composite/component) as opposed to his hdmi inputs.
post #1049 of 2108
^ I may have misread the OPs q,- if the HTPC only has component out (meant by RGB?), then many things won't work properly that require a protected path.
I understood that to be RGB over HDMI, I didn't read the post properly sorry.

If that is the case, OP, if the PC is modern enough, just buy a $50 graphics card that has HDMI out and forgo the calibration of component.
post #1050 of 2108
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