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post #121 of 2107
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

I disagree smile.gif just due to the fact cell 18, warm 2, default color and gamma at 0 creates weird looking flesh tones. I highly doubt the fw upgrade tweaks these values.

Those settings do indeed create weird flesh tones.
post #122 of 2107
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Agreed. I entered pieandchips's settings (with 1103 FW) and turned the cell light to 20 and raised contrast a bit and it looks really really good.

Warm2 needs tweaking on this set to not look a bit odd. Out of the box I like Warm 1 better but when you calibrate Warm2 it looks really good.

im still struggling with warm2... using remush settings and warm1 looks very good, with lowered cell light. and havent updated new fw yet. have to try pie's settings after i update fw
post #123 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Cupstid View Post

I'm using his average brightness cal too and like it, I also tried Remush's and like them as well.
I've still got the 1102 ver firmware and when I checked for an update it said that none were available.
I'm connected to the internet for auto update so not sure why no update is available.

its only available via download from samsung.com right now but im sure that will change soon.
post #124 of 2107
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Agreed. I entered pieandchips's settings (with 1103 FW) and turned the cell light to 20 and raised contrast a bit and it looks really really good.

Warm2 needs tweaking on this set to not look a bit odd. Out of the box I like Warm 1 better but when you calibrate Warm2 it looks really good.

Was checking out Watchmen on Blu-Ray with these settings (1103 FW) with cell light at 20. It looks simply amazing.
post #125 of 2107
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Was checking out Watchmen on Blu-Ray with these settings (1103 FW) with cell light at 20. It looks simply amazing.

Watchmen has a great cinematography. I bet it was a treat to watch on this TV
post #126 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Watchmen has a great cinematography. I bet it was a treat to watch on this TV

Absolutely. It really showed the incredible contrast this TV is capable of.
post #127 of 2107
So does anyone have recommended settings for the new FW update? Or is it just basically Pie's + a possible cell light boost?

I really wish they would fix the 3-D pops, but I'm glad 2-D was fixed...even though I never noticed it.
post #128 of 2107
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Originally Posted by crmmoore View Post

So does anyone have recommended settings for the new FW update? Or is it just basically Pie's + a possible cell light boost?

I really wish they would fix the 3-D pops, but I'm glad 2-D was fixed...even though I never noticed it.

Im using Pie's 50fL average bright room calibration with cell light on 20 and gamma on +2. Looks great in my opinion.
post #129 of 2107
There are at least two people here who own both a 51" F8500 and a fairly accurate meter. The very small amount of time that it would take to measure on/off and ASCI numbers would be very helpful to those of us who are prospective buyers. Of course, there are many pro reviews of the F8500 already - but most are of the 64", and I have seen none for the 51". Simple on/off and ASCI measurements of the 51" would be very helpful to those of us who are weighing the strengths of the F8500 against its significantly less expensive competitors.
post #130 of 2107
I'm curious of the settings adjustments you guys make after FW1103 update!!
Please post if you would be so kind, this TV has actually gotten better after this firmware update which I honestly didn't think was possible smile.gif
post #131 of 2107
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Originally Posted by MechanicalMan View Post

Simple on/off and ASCI measurements of the 51" would be very helpful

Please explain what software and reference pics are required and what the procedure is.
I am away from home right now but should be able to do something at the weekend, together with a firmware upgrade and re-calibration, all being well.
post #132 of 2107
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Originally Posted by endlessender View Post

Agreed. I entered pieandchips's settings (with 1103 FW) and turned the cell light to 20 and raised contrast a bit and it looks really really good.

Warm2 needs tweaking on this set to not look a bit odd. Out of the box I like Warm 1 better but when you calibrate Warm2 it looks really good.

Yeah warm2 looks horrible without calibration for sure. A matter of fact pies settings are the only settings Ive ever liked warm 2 in so far. I think the warm2 CNET settings look kinda crappy and they didnt even calibrate the 10p white balance---lame!
post #133 of 2107
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

Please explain what software and reference pics are required and what the procedure is.
I am away from home right now but should be able to do something at the weekend, together with a firmware upgrade and re-calibration, all being well.

I believe the on\off would be measured by taking the white luminance level (FtL) and dividing it by the MLL level (Ftl)...

For inistance in the owners thread there were before\after measurements:
"White" was measured at ~62.xx ftL (rounding to 62 for this purpose)
Black (MLL) was measured at .002 with BO on....

If we do 62/.002 = 31000/1 On\off ratio (I think).....
post #134 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

Yeah warm2 looks horrible without calibration for sure. A matter of fact pies settings are the only settings Ive ever liked warm 2 in so far. I think the warm2 CNET settings look kinda crappy and they didnt even calibrate the 10p white balance---lame!

lame is right! excuses excuses... it was too difficult? my ... ! if one is gonna review a product then not bother to take the time to calibrate it to the best it can be, well forget it!
post #135 of 2107
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

lame is right! excuses excuses... it was too difficult? my ... ! if one is gonna review a product then not bother to take the time to calibrate it to the best it can be, well forget it!

They would never do that with a panasonic tv wink.gif Heres the cnet excuse for not calibrating 10p white balance:

After a basic 2-point grayscale calibration I tried to wrangle the 10-point system to improve gamma and grayscale, but found myself running out of range in at some levels to try to compensate for gamma variations. Unfortunately, looking at program material afterward I noticed color banding, specifically magenta in near-white areas, which disappeared when I switched the 10-point adjustments Off completely. For that reason I ended up skipping it.

Really????? And yet the calibrators who are members of this forum had no problem with it even before the 1103 update???confused.gif
Edited by Damien Inferno - 5/9/13 at 11:03am
post #136 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I believe the on\off would be measured by taking the white luminance level (FtL) and dividing it by the MLL level (Ftl)...

For inistance in the owners thread there were before\after measurements:
"White" was measured at ~62.xx ftL (rounding to 62 for this purpose)
Black (MLL) was measured at .002 with BO on....

If we do 62/.002 = 31000/1 On\off ratio (I think).....

Okay, so just 100% white and 100% black (windows obviously as it's a PDP)?
-Still not sure what ASCI is. I know what ASCII is but I don't think that has anything to do with it lol.
post #137 of 2107
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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

Okay, so just 100% white and 100% black (windows obviously as it's a PDP)?
-Still not sure what ASCI is. I know what ASCII is but I don't think that has anything to do with it lol.

Thats what I think, but Im not 100% hopefully Larry, htwaits or another calibrator\user more familliar with the calulations can chime in.....

I dont think he meant ASCI, but rather ANSI wink.gif
post #138 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Thats what I think, but Im not 100% hopefully Larry, htwaits or another calibrator\user more familliar with the calulations can chime in.....

I dont think he meant ASCI, but rather ANSI wink.gif

He was referring to ANSI
post #139 of 2107
are there any 64" calibrated #'s out there. i see 51/60" only, or am i not looking good enough.
post #140 of 2107
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

are there any 64" calibrated #'s out there. i see 51/60" only, or am i not looking good enough.

The only ones I know of that ahve been posted are the ones from Kevin Miller on the TweakTV review, this was of course before the update. I havent seen any since. We'll have to wait until after the shootout most likely...
post #141 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

The only ones I know of that ahve been posted are the ones from Kevin Miller on the TweakTV review, this was of course before the update. I havent seen any since. We'll have to wait until after the shootout most likely...

I thought Kevin's was for the 60" no?
post #142 of 2107
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

I thought Kevin's was for the 60" no?


opps you are correct he calibrated both but the posted review was for the 60" not the 64"....
post #143 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Damien Inferno View Post

its only available via download from samsung.com right now but im sure that will change soon.
I see, thanks for that.
post #144 of 2107
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Thats what I think, but Im not 100% hopefully Larry, htwaits or another calibrator\user more familliar with the calulations can chime in.....

I dont think he meant ASCI, but rather ANSI wink.gif


The two contrast ratiios are:

On/off: Luminance readings are taken at 100% and 0% stimulus using windows of about 10 to 20% of the screen area for a plasma. The value of the higher is divided by the lower to obtain the contrast ratio. (The chosen window size will affect the resulting value of the higher reading.)

ANSI: Luminance readings are taken using the checkerboard test patterns available on just about all calibration disks. Readings are taken on the white and black areas of the checkerboard. Again the ratio is the higher divided by the lower.


EDIT: BTW, ANSI stands for American National Standards Institute.


Larry
Edited by LarryInRI - 5/9/13 at 4:37pm
post #145 of 2107
Thank you Larry!
post #146 of 2107
So, an eventful evening...

I made it home one day early and really wanted to see what the new firmware would do for me.
First impressions were oh...um....weird...Where's all the definition gone? not to mention the tones. It was like I had a pair of soft tint sunglasses on. This isn't right. I tweaked gamma to +2. No... not good. Back to +1. I tried cell at 20. Better but no banana.

I took out the i1D3 and got to work.
-This is what it did to my 1102 average bright cell 17 calibration (all values untouched as posted earlier in this thread)




Samsung really did tweak their algorithms to the point that it wrecked my previous cal.
-A note of caution for those who have already had a professional in frown.gif

I am currently recalibrating and will post the results soon.

HTH
post #147 of 2107
Calibration Removed. Please see here for the best one.
Edited by pieandchips - 5/17/13 at 2:25pm
post #148 of 2107
Calibration Removed. Please see here for the best one.
Edited by pieandchips - 5/17/13 at 2:25pm
post #149 of 2107
Pie,

Interesting. It appears from your calibration reports that the green element in the grayscale dropped about 5% in the upper half of the range. (Green contributes about 70% of the luminance to a D65 white.) The decrease in green is what caused the rise in the upper end of the gamma curve. In turn and not surprising, the change in grayscale changed the gamut.

Like all the recent high-end Samsungs, this one seems to calibrate like a dream. Nice job with the first re-cal.

Larry
post #150 of 2107
Cheers Larry smile.gif

The TV is watchable again.
At least my wife won't moan when she watches it tomorrow.

I shall do those other measurements this weekend.

Now to relax and stop metering lol.
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