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post #31 of 2085
Anybody have any settings that were done specifically for the 60 inch F8500? Seems like all the calibrated settings coming out are for the 64 version and I know that many times they don't translate well between the sizes.
post #32 of 2085
I was at Value Electronics on my lunch break today and they have calibrated 60" and 64" F8500s on display. I know they share the settings with customers, but you might ask anyway.

When i walked downstairs to use the bathroom in the basement I saw a lot of TVs breaking in, a couple of Sonys, one with big side speakers, some LGs, a Sharp and other Samsung TVs. Not sure what they are doing, but the break-in slides are running so I guess they are getting ready for calibration.
post #33 of 2085
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Originally Posted by schnura View Post

I was at Value Electronics on my lunch break today and they have calibrated 60" and 64" F8500s on display. I know they share the settings with customers, but you might ask anyway.

When i walked downstairs to use the bathroom in the basement I saw a lot of TVs breaking in, a couple of Sonys, one with big side speakers, some LGs, a Sharp and other Samsung TVs. Not sure what they are doing, but the break-in slides are running so I guess they are getting ready for calibration.

Form the sounds of it eitehr for customer OR for the shootout.....BUT careful now dont let the cat out of the bag, Robert hasnt released which sets are destined for the shootout yet wink.gif
post #34 of 2085
Hey Ph8th. eek.gif Now you tell me. I should have taken a better look!
post #35 of 2085
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Anybody have any settings that were done specifically for the 60 inch F8500? Seems like all the calibrated settings coming out are for the 64 version and I know that many times they don't translate well between the sizes.

Millers (cal day/night, movie & 3d) settings on tweaktv were all for the 60. They look good on my 64 too, as well as Mouse's 'cal night' & 'cal day' settings in moviemode.
Edited by Robinson ------ - 4/18/13 at 1:37am
post #36 of 2085
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Originally Posted by schnura View Post

Hey Ph8th. eek.gif Now you tell me. I should have taken a better look!

biggrin.gif opps should ahve taken a closer look see, they were either customer sets getting prepped for calibration and or sets getting prepped for the shootout. Im not sure how far in advance Robert sets up his shootout sets but I am sure he starts early since all of them will take time to get calibrated correctly....
post #37 of 2085
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uncalibrated standard mode. uploaded just to show clarity of panel
post #38 of 2085
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

what would your suggestions be for using one of the other disc options for simple calibration... DVE HD Basics bluray or disney WOW? spears and muncil or what ever that one is? i know one of them is coming out with an updated 2013 version but can't remember offhand which one, do you happen to know? at the moment i don't have an easy way to download the free one... issues on my laptop. thanks!

I don't know enough about the disks that you mentioned. The free ones are available in threads over in the calibration forum. (Maybe you should invest in a new computer first so you can download them. biggrin.gif )

Here's a list of the free calibration disks. They all contain a screen for adjusting the Brightness control and that alone will improve your picture.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1445226/chad-bs-custom-test-patterns
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463980/masciors-calibration-disc


Larry
post #39 of 2085
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

I don't know enough about the disks that you mentioned. The free ones are available in threads over in the calibration forum. (Maybe you should invest in a new computer first so you can download them. biggrin.gif )

Here's a list of the free calibration disks. They all contain a screen for adjusting the Brightness control and that alone will improve your picture.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1445226/chad-bs-custom-test-patterns
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463980/masciors-calibration-disc


Larry

wow thank you for all that! appreciate it... yeah, new laptop is overdue!! but in the meantime think i can find someone who has an operable one to download these for me wink.gif
post #40 of 2085
I was reminded of this good explanation of basic calibration procedures when wl1 posted the link over in the 'Fork of HCFR' thread in the calibration forum. http://www.missingremote.com/guide/display-calibration-part-i.

This (and the pdf explanation by alluringreality contained in post #1 of the AVS HD 709 thread) should be used with the list of available free calibration disks that I posted above.

Larry
post #41 of 2085
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Might mouse, I might have missed it but I see on your calibration settings the optimizer is turned off as to be expected I suppose for the actual calibration, but have you watched it ON in the dark room mode...and any issues if so?

He said he left it off for a stable starting part for calibrations but he saw no ill effects when I turned the optimizer on
post #42 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

We revised some of the settings, if you want to check them out.
I will check them out, thanks!
post #43 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

We revised some of the settings, if you want to check them out.
I will check them out, thanks!
post #44 of 2085
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

According to Miller's calibration report, the gamma setting of 0 yields a true gamma of 2.38. Assuming that the gamma control changes the real gamma by 0.1 for each tick of change in the control as Samsung as done for the past several years then going down to -3 will put the true gamma at about 2.7. That's a very high gamma. In fact Miller's 2.4 gamma is high and only useful for viewing in a very dark environment. Also, it's clear from Miller's report that the default gamma point curve must be pretty flat -- he only needed to adjust the curve at 30% stimulus.

The color temperature of warm1 is bluer than warm2. Miller adjusted the warm2 color temperature to meet specification using the white balance and 10 point controls. Using his setting with the warm1 temperature is meaningless without knowing beforehand the warm1 characteristics.

Without meters, you are better off resetting all the controls. Download a free calibration disk. Turn off all the junk settings. Adjust your Contrast and Brightness (and maybe the tint) with the disk. For the Samsung, set Film mode to auto1 and Color space to auto. After that, you can adjust the gamma to your liking. Leave the white balance, 10 point, and color management controls alone.

EDIT: Set the color temperature to your liking also.


Larry
+1
post #45 of 2085
Just copying settings whether it's from a real pro like Kevin Miller or some amateur DIY'ers won't get you any closer to that accurate looking picture . You really need a meter to calibrate the set to an accurate D65 white point of 313x 329y. This has been said over and over , the settings don't translate from one set to another. One example is warm 2 on my samsung D6500 is very red. When I put a meter up to the screen it definately showed it being well over 30 percent too red. In the end I had to lower my Rdrive to 0 to tame it which got it closer to 100% . The settings that were out there for the D series all the red gains were still in the 15-25 range this is still too red for my set.
Edited by hungro - 4/21/13 at 8:35am
post #46 of 2085
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Originally Posted by hungro View Post

Just copying settings whether it's from a real pro like Kevin Miller or some amateur DIY'ers won't get you any closer to that accurate looking picture . You really need a meter to calibrate the set to an accurate D65 white point of 313x 329y. This has been said over and over , the settings don't translate from one set to another. One example is warm 2 on my samsung D6500 is very red. When I put a meter up to the screen it definately showed it being well over 30 percent too red. In the end I had to lower my Rdrive to 0 to tame it which got it closer to 100% . The settings that were out there for the D series all the red gains were still in the 15-25 range this is still too red for my set.

Yes to everything those posts said. Without a calibration being done by pros or until we burn a disk to get it as good as we can. Using someones-else's calibrated settings still makes the tv way better then any of the factory presets (to us...). We havnt ever had a tv calibrated by the pros or some local store, etc. All of our friends up here been using factory presets for years, I would like Miller or someone like that to calibrate our tvs. We like trying other people calibrated settings (even though there not perfect for this tv) because they look way better than what we have used before. Thanks for the detailed info, it does help to learn about each different setting and whats good to do & whats not.
post #47 of 2085
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Originally Posted by JMUdukes07 View Post

Anybody have any settings that were done specifically for the 60 inch F8500? Seems like all the calibrated settings coming out are for the 64 version and I know that many times they don't translate well between the sizes.

I've been hoping someone with a 51" would share their cal settings for their 51", as you said the other sizes don't translate well and in the case of the 51" vs the 60&64" I would think there is a bigger discrepancy.
post #48 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Yes to everything those posts said. Without a calibration being done by pros or until we burn a disk to get it as good as we can. Using someones-else's calibrated settings still makes the tv way better then any of the factory presets (to us...). We havnt ever had a tv calibrated by the pros or some local store, etc. All of our friends up here been using factory presets for years, I would like Miller or someone like that to calibrate our tvs. We like trying other people calibrated settings (even though there not perfect for this tv) because they look way better than what we have used before. Thanks for the detailed info, it does help to learn about each different setting and whats good to do & whats not.

Actually, looking at Kevin Miller's pre-calibration report, the F8500 is close to being accurate in out of the box Movie mode. Using Movie on Warm 2 and only adjusting contrast and brightness to your viewing conditions should give you a great and pretty accurate picture.
post #49 of 2085
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Originally Posted by willieconway View Post

Actually, looking at Kevin Miller's pre-calibration report, the F8500 is close to being accurate in out of the box Movie mode. Using Movie on Warm 2 and only adjusting contrast and brightness to your viewing conditions should give you a great and pretty accurate picture.

Wasn't he stating that Warm1 was closer/better than Warm2?
post #50 of 2085
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Originally Posted by funkahdafi View Post

Wasn't he stating that Warm1 was closer/better than Warm2?

I don't see it anywhere in his "Final Review of Samsungs PN60F8500 Plasma" and all his reports say Warm 2. I don't think Warm 1 has been closer to Rec 709 on any recent Samsung model.
post #51 of 2085
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Originally Posted by willieconway View Post

Actually, looking at Kevin Miller's pre-calibration report, the F8500 is close to being accurate in out of the box Movie mode. Using Movie on Warm 2 and only adjusting contrast and brightness to your viewing conditions should give you a great and pretty accurate picture.

Yea, after going back and forth. To see what looks good and what right, etc. It took awhile but warm2 it starting to come around for us... Most of our current settings are actually very close to that. We ve been updating our posted settings every-time we find out something new, better, etc. I think its post #9.
post #52 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Pinger View Post

I've been hoping someone with a 51" would share their cal settings for their 51", as you said the other sizes don't translate well and in the case of the 51" vs the 60&64" I would think there is a bigger discrepancy.
I've got a 51, I used the settings that Robinson provided and think they look good. I have a Disney WOW disk that I'm going to use when I get some time and can let you know how that works out but it may be a few weeks before I do that.
post #53 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Cupstid View Post

I've got a 51, I used the settings that Robinson provided and think they look good. I have a Disney WOW disk that I'm going to use when I get some time and can let you know how that works out but it may be a few weeks before I do that.

Even though yours is 51, I would also be interested in what tweaks to the settings I posted your using & what they were tweaked too after the disneywow. I like to try all settings, to see if I like something better, etc. I would like to get one of those good calibrators, but probably end up with that disneywow disk or a free avs709 disk... Thanks, eh.
post #54 of 2085
Found these on avf, they are posted by steve withers. If anyone wants to try out...

Picture Mode: Movie
Cell Light: 20
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Sharpness: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Custom (Red R48 G0 B3, Green R28 G56 B2, Blue R3, G3, B58, Yellow R48 G52 B2, Cyan R24 G60 B55, Magenta R42 G0 B54)
2-Point: Red Offset 25, Green Offset 24, Blue Offset 25, Red Gain 19, Green Gain 20, Blue Gain 26
White Balance 10-Point: 1 - R0/G0/B0, 2 - R0/G0/B0, 3 - R0/G0/B0, 4 - R0/G0/B1, 5 - R-1/G0/B0, 6 - R0/G3/B-1, 7 - R1/G-3/B-1, 8 - R4/G1/B0, 9 - R0/G0/B-2, 10 - R0/G0/B0
Gamma: 0
Motion Lighting: Off
Color Tone: Warm2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: Normal
Film Mode: Auto2
Motion Judder Canceler: Off
Black Optimizer: Off
post #55 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Robinson ------ View Post

Even though yours is 51, I would also be interested in what tweaks to the settings I posted your using & what they were tweaked too after the disneywow. I like to try all settings, to see if I like something better, etc. I would like to get one of those good calibrators, but probably end up with that disneywow disk or a free avs709 disk... Thanks, eh.
I will be happy to post it here after I do it.
post #56 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Cupstid View Post

I will be happy to post it here after I do it.

i have 51" and would love to hear about your results! have you used the WOW disk before? just curious as im thinking of getting that or AVE or spears and munsil but dont know which one is the easiest/best...
post #57 of 2085
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Originally Posted by Cupstid View Post

I've got a 51, I used the settings that Robinson provided and think they look good. I have a Disney WOW disk that I'm going to use when I get some time and can let you know how that works out but it may be a few weeks before I do that.


Thank you Cupstid it would be greatly appreciated.. smile.gif
post #58 of 2085
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

i have 51" and would love to hear about your results! have you used the WOW disk before? just curious as im thinking of getting that or AVE or spears and munsil but dont know which one is the easiest/best...
No I haven't this is the 2012 version though per Amazon.com.
post #59 of 2085
Just found this thread, great stuff, will be tapping some of these into my TV in a couple of hours when it gets dark.
post #60 of 2085
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Just found this thread, great stuff, will be tapping some of these into my TV in a couple of hours when it gets dark.

Check out my settings, post #9. Mouse's are good too, and those other ones I found arnt bad. Plus Miller has his on tweaktv. Id checkem all out & see what you like.

Wicked.
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