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post #121 of 344
Elysium channel issue? I just watched the Elysium preview and noticed that the center channel was coming from my right front speaker. I don't have an issue with any other content, so I'm thinking there is a channel encoding issue in the preview. Can someone confirm and also, if you have it purchased, does the full movie have the same issue?

Thanks.
post #122 of 344
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Originally Posted by lgroveman View Post

MY A/V receiver is pre HDMI and I only have optical and coax digital inputs - If I connect the x1 to a hdmi switcher with toslink and coax output like this one from monoprice http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=5557&seq=1&format=2 will it pass at least 5.1 through the digital outputs. The digital outputs on the TV only output stereo is my understanding and I would like to get 5.1 somehow from the x1
Thanks

You should probably ask Sony in what format they send the 5.1 signal and what kind of bitrate it is and then ask Monoprice if they support extracting that signal.
post #123 of 344
I decided to take the plunk on Elysium and I'm happy to report that the center channel issue present on the preview was not there on the full-length movie.
post #124 of 344
I got an FMP-X1 the other day. I'm trying to get it to update via the Xperia 4K app. It tells me there's a player software update then says it couldn't be downloaded at this time. I'm frustratingly close to getting the thing working with my new VW1100. The tablet is talking to the FMP-X1, but you can't do anything with it until it does the update as the app closes if you cancel it..
post #125 of 344
Much to my surprise, I got a UV code for Elysium by email today that gave me access to the same movie on Vudu in HDX. I did not expect that (though the 10 sample movies also came with a UV code). Still, a pleasant surprise!
post #126 of 344
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

I got an FMP-X1 the other day. I'm trying to get it to update via the Xperia 4K app. It tells me there's a player software update then says it couldn't be downloaded at this time. I'm frustratingly close to getting the thing working with my new VW1100. The tablet is talking to the FMP-X1, but you can't do anything with it until it does the update as the app closes if you cancel it..

Best of luck getting this to work, to my knowledge you would be the first member who can have a look at the server on a bigger screen as opposed to a TV set.
Probably best to directly call the support hotline about this.
post #127 of 344
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

Best of luck getting this to work, to my knowledge you would be the first member who can have a look at the server on a bigger screen as opposed to a TV set.
Probably best to directly call the support hotline about this.

Thanks Oliver. I unfortunately had no time last night to do any further. I have software update also for the Xperia, just in case there's any effect(doubt it). I will also try out another X1 I'd ordered via way too slow a shipping which only arrived yest, this will eliminate a hardware issue hopefully. Indeed this could be the wkend for viewing fingers crossed.
post #128 of 344
I have noticed that the hard drive on my X1 has been on for several days. What controls when the hard drive turns on and off? Is there a way to force it to spin down?
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Greetings from a soon-to-be FMP-X1 owner. I just popped in to ask whether there is an "official owner's thread" for this server. I couldn't seem to find such a thread on the forum. Or is this thread basically it?

post #130 of 344
I think this is it. The X1 gets discussed in the Sony XBR-X900 thread as well.
post #131 of 344
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Greetings from a soon-to-be FMP-X1 owner. I just popped in to ask whether there is an "official owner's thread" for this server. I couldn't seem to find such a thread on the forum. Or is this thread basically it?

You do understand that this thing is going to be used about 3 times and then thrown away? There is no content of interest on it, so after you verify your tv would look awesome if there was some content, you can turn it off. Don't spend too many $$, and by the way it's replacement was announced by Sony, in a back handed way at CES.
post #132 of 344
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You do understand that this thing is going to be used about 3 times and then thrown away? There is no content of interest on it, so after you verify your tv would look awesome if there was some content, you can turn it off. Don't spend too many $$, and by the way it's replacement was announced by Sony, in a back handed way at CES.

that may be YOUR opinion, but the fact is that with 10 free movies, dozens of free clips, and multiple movies and tv shows to rent, with more movies and videos to come, saying that you will use this 3 times and throw it away is just ridiculous.
post #133 of 344
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Originally Posted by jjnbos View Post

You do understand that this thing is going to be used about 3 times and then thrown away? There is no content of interest on it, so after you verify your tv would look awesome if there was some content, you can turn it off. Don't spend too many $$, and by the way it's replacement was announced by Sony, in a back handed way at CES.

Speak for yourself, a list of movies that can be watched on it/via it is here:
http://store.sony.com/gsi/static/WFS/SNYNA-SNYUS-Site/-/SNYNA/en_US/assets/pdfs/FMPX1_availableTitles.pdf
post #134 of 344
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Originally Posted by Oliver Klohs View Post

Speak for yourself, a list of movies that can be watched on it/via it is here:
http://store.sony.com/gsi/static/WFS/SNYNA-SNYUS-Site/-/SNYNA/en_US/assets/pdfs/FMPX1_availableTitles.pdf

Hmmm, didn't you already see all the breaking bad episodes, Lawerence or Arabia, et al…

Having spent, in my case $4k on my my 4k 55", i wanted to see real thing and spent another $500 net on the X1. I think most people do that. Haven't turned X1 on in months except to see what hasn't changed: no content…

For sure a replacement is in the works. FWIW given the X1 is a turkey, why not give it a rest and maybe buy the "X2" or whatever and it could/will be better.

Seems likely to be something that will support the new codecs needed for 4k streaming at netflix (and as you know even there it's hard to find something that streams rather than on DVD worth watching on Netflix) and so on that the current TV lack the CPU to run in the netflix app, and so on. Just repeating what others have ooined here, no facts; except

...you will spend no time actually using the X1 after you get over the gee whiz. I wish I could watch something in 4k...
Edited by jjnbos - 1/11/14 at 8:38am
post #135 of 344
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

that may be YOUR opinion.. saying that you will use this 3 times and throw it away is just ridiculous.

I have one, and that is the way it played out.

Do you have one? How many minutes a day do you use it?

This isn't Fox, please give use some evidence / personal experience or ask a fair question rather than uninformed opinion...
post #136 of 344
I got one the same day I bought my tv, on October 1st, and paid 100 dollars for it.

I use it a couple of times per week, to watch my free movies, look at free video clips, and to check on new content that gets uploaded to it now and then.

I never expected new content every day on it, and since I make my decisions on being informed, and based on my own research, I felt it was, (and, still is) the best way to view 4k content on our televisions, until 4k becomes more mainstream.

Sony never said there would be new content on it every day, every week, or made any promise based on some pre-determined schedule.

Would I have paid 700 dollars for it? Not likely, but I doubt anyone has paid that much for it over the last few months.


My opinion is based on being informed; unlike some people who are disappointed with purchases they make based on either un-realistic expectations, or lack or research prior to spending their $$$...
post #137 of 344
I just bought this player along with the xperia z tablet and the Sony VW600ES projector. Made all the connections, downloaded the tablet 4k app. However, every time I try to run the app, it crashes.... it was fine when it updated the software for the streamer. I have tried uninstalling, closing, rebooting and nothing has worked to date. The projector shows the 4k image and that is it. Please help! Thanks.

PS - Here is what I have done so far:
1) streamer HDMI 1 to projector
2) streamer HDMI 2 to my processor
3) Ethernet wire connected
4) Projector ethernet wire connected
5) install tablet app and updated streamer software
6) App keeps crashing. Robooted tablet, rebooted server, unistalled/re-installed app.

Pulling my hair out....
post #138 of 344
X1 Anomaly Finally Ends

This morning, after seven straight days of downloading something, the green HDD LED finally went out. Checked settings and it was stable at 0Mbps bitrate.

Now the real oddity is my storage space on the drive went from 696 GB down to 655 GB.

BUT my Comcast data usage jumped over 80GB since last Monday. I used more in the last 7 days than I use in a month.

I don't know whether the service ticket I called in to Sony on Friday was what finally stopped the downloading (of nothing, or less than nothing?) or the X1 ran it's course.





Still remaining unresolved is the Netflix connection display that seems stuck on the screen.
post #139 of 344
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Originally Posted by bweissman View Post

Greetings from a soon-to-be FMP-X1 owner. I just popped in to ask whether there is an "official owner's thread" for this server. I couldn't seem to find such a thread on the forum. Or is this thread basically it?

You do understand that this thing is going to be used about 3 times and then thrown away? There is no content of interest on it, so after you verify your tv would look awesome if there was some content, you can turn it off. Don't spend too many $$, and by the way it's replacement was announced by Sony, in a back handed way at CES.

 

Yes, I think the way the industry is handling 4K could prove fatal. After having ordered the Sony "solution," I now see that another manufacturer, I think Samsung is offering their own version, which of course works only with their equipment. Follow the trend, and the manufacturers will kill each other.

 

Just for reference, I chose the wrong side twice before: I chose Beta over VHS and HD-DVD over Blu-ray. So don't go along with what I do.

post #140 of 344
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

I use it a couple of times per week, to watch my free movies, look at free video clips, and to check on new content that gets uploaded to it now and then.

I never expected new content every day on it,

Me either, but there is about 100 things to watch, last count 66 movies, all breaking bad episodes, and nothing else except for a few cute demos of a few minutes each.

-->not flaming you wase471, it is just I didn't spend the better part of $5k to watch 66 old movies. and I do think there will be a happy ending to all this x1 drama. But the X1 is a burnt pancake for sure.<--

My detailed flame of the X1, not wase471:

If you use it a couple of times a week you will have watched every movie there is to watch on it in about 6 months. As you point out, there is zero commitment to have anything else to watch. IOW in 6 months you can unplug yours too :-)

Another thing to keep in mind is that the movies cost $8 to rent for only 24 hours and about $30 to buy. Buying all 70 movies at $30/each is about $2,000. Renting them would only be $500. Everyhing is available in Super HD (aka blue ray) on Netflix for $8*6 months or $50. And you could watch them as many times as you want.

Seems like the hardware should be free for those crazy prices.

Sure upscaled 1080p is not 4k, but $450 extra to rent second/third run movies? Especially as has been noted here many times that the 4k versions are generally NOT remastered and/or film transfers. Watch Taxi Driver in 4k and blue ray and tell me you see the slightest difference. but Lawrence of Arabia sure is better.

Keep it real people; at best there are at most a ew dozen titles on the X1 that are in fact 4k quality….

In _my_ humble opinion, cool your jets and see what shows up in the next few months. My _guess_ is the next version, will stream 4k, probably the Netflix catalog, apps you'd actually watch, and probably additional hardware ports so you could, for example plug in your Sony 4k camera to your Sony 4k tv and see 4k... and so on.

If they GIVE you an X1, sure why not, but unless you like watching the same old movie a few times a week you will unplug in a few months…
post #141 of 344
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Originally Posted by e11271 View Post

I just bought this player along with the xperia z tablet and the Sony VW600ES projector. Made all the connections, downloaded the tablet 4k app. However, every time I try to run the app, it crashes.... it was fine when it updated the software for the streamer. I have tried uninstalling, closing, rebooting and nothing has worked to date. The projector shows the 4k image and that is it. Please help! Thanks.

PS - Here is what I have done so far:
1) streamer HDMI 1 to projector
2) streamer HDMI 2 to my processor
3) Ethernet wire connected
4) Projector ethernet wire connected
5) install tablet app and updated streamer software
6) App keeps crashing. Robooted tablet, rebooted server, unistalled/re-installed app.

Pulling my hair out....

So, I figured out what the problem was; I upgraded my tablet to 4.3 (android) which apparently doesn't play nice with the 4k Ultra HD remote app. However, now that I have picture, the aspect ratio seems more like 4:3 than 16:9. Anyone else have this problem?
post #142 of 344
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So, I figured out what the problem was; I upgraded my tablet to 4.3 (android) which apparently doesn't play nice with the 4k Ultra HD remote app. However, now that I have picture, the aspect ratio seems more like 4:3 than 16:9. Anyone else have this problem?

Switching projector input to HDMI 2 solved the problem. Interesting that both ports on a brand new Sony 4k projector can't handle 4k signals.....
Edited by e11271 - 1/17/14 at 2:43pm
post #143 of 344
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So, I figured out what the problem was; I upgraded my tablet to 4.3 (android) which apparently doesn't play nice with the 4k Ultra HD remote app. However, now that I have picture, the aspect ratio seems more like 4:3 than 16:9. Anyone else have this problem?

Always the case with software(particular with mobile devices), don't update the firmware if it's working perfectly with the software since you can very easily cause the compatibility problem you did by prematurely upgrading it. Version 1.1.2 of 4K Ultra HD remote is now fully compatible with 4.3 btw, I just did the update to 4.3 myself.

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Switching projector input to HDMI 2 solved the problem. Interesting that both ports on a brand new Sony 4k projector can't handle 4k signals.....

You don't need any ethernet to the projector btw. I have a VW1100(and XBR 55-850A with it's own FMP-X1) hooked up to FMP-X1 and it works perfectly. Yes it's well known that only HDMI port 2 is configured to handle input for the 4K server. Not that different to having to use port 4 on the LCD panels. Nothing to do with being able to handle the 4K signal itself, it's that the HDMI HDCP 2.2 decryption is set up only for the one specific port in both cases and the FMP-X1 output is encrypted requiring it. The output will be automatically downscaled to 480p if connected to the other input(s).
post #144 of 344
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

Always the case with software(particular with mobile devices), don't update the firmware if it's working perfectly with the software since you can very easily cause the compatibility problem you did by prematurely upgrading it. Version 1.1.2 of 4K Ultra HD remote is now fully compatible with 4.3 btw, I just did the update to 4.3 myself.
You don't need any ethernet to the projector btw. I have a VW1100(and XBR 55-850A with it's own FMP-X1) hooked up to FMP-X1 and it works perfectly. Yes it's well known that only HDMI port 2 is configured to handle input for the 4K server. Not that different to having to use port 4 on the LCD panels. Nothing to do with being able to handle the 4K signal itself, it's that the HDMI HDCP 2.2 decryption is set up only for the one specific port in both cases and the FMP-X1 output is encrypted requiring it. The output will be automatically downscaled to 480p if connected to the other input(s).

Thanks. The point is that if / when you get multiple sources (in the future), we are stuck. On the remote app, after having to return the older tablet (after 20 hours on the phone with Sony), it is sad to hear they already have a solution which even their tier 2 guys didn't know about. The customer service on this stuff leaves a lot to be desired.
post #145 of 344
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Thanks. The point is that if / when you get multiple sources (in the future), we are stuck. On the remote app, after having to return the older tablet (after 20 hours on the phone with Sony), it is sad to hear they already have a solution which even their tier 2 guys didn't know about. The customer service on this stuff leaves a lot to be desired.


Do you have 2 runs of HDMI to your projector from your A/V rack? I know for practicality reasons I don't as my HDMI runs under a floating floor and I have no wall cavities. I would say there's a higher chance in the future, AVR's/VP's will be able to pass HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. So as I've done in the past, for ease of use, I'd much rather have source switching from the processor end. With the tablet, didn't you say you updated it of your own accord? If you'd have left it be, you wouldn't have run into the app compatibility issue to start with. I wouldn't necessarily blame Sony tech support for not being aware of that kind of glitch created by a OS update for what is a pretty niche product. I also haven't heard of any of the other 600/1000 owners here on the forum who own the X1 and tablet to have encountered the same issue. When I saw the update was available on my tablet, I thought better of messing with it knowing the app was working and my sole usage more or less was for the remote app.
Edited by OzHDHT - 1/20/14 at 3:44pm
post #146 of 344
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post



Do you have 2 runs of HDMI to your projector from your A/V rack? I know for practicality reasons I don't as my HDMI runs under a floating floor and I have no wall cavities. I would say there's a higher chance in the future, AVR's/VP's will be able to pass HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. So as I've done in the past, for ease of use, I'd much rather have source switching from the processor end. With the tablet, didn't you say you updated it of your own accord? If you'd have left it be, you wouldn't have run into the app compatibility issue to start with. I wouldn't necessarily blame Sony tech support for not being aware of that kind of glitch created by a OS update for what is a pretty niche product. I also haven't heard of any of the other 600/1000 owners here on the forum who own the X1 and tablet to have encountered the same issue. When I saw the update was available on my tablet, I thought better of messing with it knowing the app was working and my sole usage more or less was for the remote app.

You are right; probably in the near future all processors will handle HDCP 2.2 and I guess Sony didn't think it was worth the cost to add that capability to both ports. I guess I was hoping that is was all there so it becomes somewhat future proof....

Regarding the tablet, I am expecting that when an update is available from Sony, the least they could do is either warn that the 4k remote app doesn't handle 2.3 or thoroughly test the new version with atleast it own apps. I don't think that is too much to ask. The tier 2 support rep agreed and I guess/hope it is why they quickly released the new software patch.

At the end of the day, it does work now and I guess this is one of the things you get for being a somewhat early adopter. What I find also puzzling is while folks with Sony 4k TVs can use their TV remote to control the streamer, us projector guys can't. That seems very odd.
post #147 of 344
Is there a site that shows the current shows available on the FMP-X1 and stuff that is coming soon???
post #148 of 344
there is a link somewhere in this thread that shows the current stuff, but I dont think it also showed "coming soon"
post #149 of 344
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

there is a link somewhere in this thread that shows the current stuff, but I dont think it also showed "coming soon"

you're not speaking about this outdated pdf file are you?

http://store.sony.com/gsi/static/WFS/SNYNA-SNYUS-Site/-/SNYNA/en_US/assets/pdfs/FMPX1_availableTitles.pdf
post #150 of 344
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Originally Posted by lincoln_husker View Post

Is there a site that shows the current shows available on the FMP-X1 and stuff that is coming soon???

I published a list of the content several weeks back. But, AFAIK the only way to browse content is from the X1.

Edit: Here is the link: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467859/sony-4k-media-streamer-fmp-x1-699-coming-summer-2013/60_20#post_23871961
Edited by AustinJerry - 1/21/14 at 1:14pm
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