or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › News Forum › Latest Industry News › Panasonic Pulls Plug on Plasma Progress—ZT60 Marks End of Era
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Panasonic Pulls Plug on Plasma Progress—ZT60 Marks End of Era - Page 2

post #31 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by holmern View Post

Seems it isn't true after all

Panasonic buries rumors of plasma TV death

Praise be to Panasonic.
post #32 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by holmern View Post

Seems it isn't true after all

Panasonic buries rumors of plasma TV death


Hmmm, conflicting stories from within the company. Curiouser and curiouser...

post #33 of 76
Seems to me they can't make up their minds,keeping Plasma tv's
post #34 of 76
Btw, Morgan Freeman died....again
post #35 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

Might not mind as much if the "lower priced" part were actually true. I "upgraded" from a 55GT50 to a Samsung 75ES9000. The Panny cost 2K the sticker on the Sammy was 10k (not what I paid of course but was the sticker price). Yes I was initially impressed by all that extra real estate, but that quickly went away once I actually started watching movies on it, and now every time I look at it I am reminded of how much better the picture was on the GT. Thankfully my dealer is allowing me to return it for the 65ZT60 when it is released. Point is 10k edge lit tv is not lower priced mediocrity, its just mediocrity.

Agreed. I'd like to see the industry move back to full backlit panels, the edge lit stuff is definitely hit and miss. I have a ES8000 and its a wonderful panel, but like all edge lit panels edge clouding etc is a bit of an issue.
1000
post #36 of 76
Get ZT60 when price is right ($2500ish), and wait 5-7 years for OLED. That would be my plan.
post #37 of 76
....the company's merchandising VP Henry Hauser is emphatic....

Translation...how do I sell all this stuff and make my goals when the R&D guys tell people we are getting out of the business?
post #38 of 76
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jqmn View Post

....the company's merchandising VP Henry Hauser is emphatic....

Translation...how do I sell all this stuff and make my goals when the R&D guys tell people we are getting out of the business?

Yeah, I feel like they probably should have chosen a different VP to attribute that statement to.

post #39 of 76
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57575459-221/how-long-will-panasonic-keep-making-plasma-tvs/



Hauser in march 2013
Quote:
The ZT60 likely represents the last generation of Plasma TV development the company would undertake.

There's probably not going to be a huge generational difference next year. Iwouldn't expect further generations after that.
Which is pretty much the same as Okamoto said a few days ago wink.gif
post #40 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by macfan View Post

Just another example of the public willing to accept lower priced mediocrity over quality.

Lower priced? Uh, no. I spent $5K on a Sony full array local dimming LED 65" after looking at several plasmas. The plasmas could not compete with it. Old outdated tech. Dim, hot, noisy, full of uniformity issues, line bleed, strobing flicker, auto brightness limited to make your whites look yellow, image retention. UGH... none of which I have to worry about about with my "lower quality" Sony HX950. Quality large screen OLED can't come soon enough. I loved my plasmas a decade ago before better tech existed, but these just could not keep pace.
post #41 of 76
For Panasonic there Plasma TV's is there forte,if they stop making them would be stupid and a lot consumers like there tv's
post #42 of 76
I wouldn't own a goddam LCD/LED. Plastic flesh tones, overblown colors and crap motion control.

I'll buy one more Panny plasma and hopefully that will do me until the market replaces LCD/LED with something worthy of my purchase.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Which is why I've said this I'd good news for everyone. Plasma fan boys want to stick to their sets regardless of flaws or having the LED/OLED market surpass them. Panasonic getting into the LED/OLED gain means stiffer competition in the LCD world. Prices will be forced to go down. Awesome sets like the sharp elite won't have to come at a ridiculous price anymore.

So as I said. This is good news for everyone. LCD and oled have already been advanced enough to out due plasma tech. This will push em that much more. No more price premium for high LCD picture.
post #43 of 76
Did you cycle it through a proper break in the first couple of hundred hours? I use my Panny plasma as a PC monitor the majority of the time. I also use it to game and to watch TV. I have no burn-in issues whatsoever.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dochollerin View Post

Hardly. I wanted a Panasonic plasma more than anything but had to return one of last years top models due to burn-in. If you use your TV solely for films and television, by all means get a plasma, but if you use it for games and as the occasional computer monitor you HAVE to have an LCD.

Even with all the fancy features like the pixel orbiter, it will burn in. I know some of you will argue it is only "image retention" and that it will dissipate over time; however, I ask, what is the difference if there is always a faded image dissipating?

I had to settle for a Sony Edge-Lit LED. It produces some of the finest blacks for an LCD television, nothing close to the Panasonic mind you, but one of the best among realistic competition.
post #44 of 76
I saw this coming as did everybody else bout im still gunna set in the corner and cry frown.gif
post #45 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobius View Post

I wouldn't own a goddam LCD/LED. Plastic flesh tones, overblown colors and crap motion control.

I'll buy one more Panny plasma and hopefully that will do me until the market replaces LCD/LED with something worthy of my purchase.
Blinded by arrogance and fan boyism. Or as one would say. "You mad bro?"
post #46 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobius View Post

Did you cycle it through a proper break in the first couple of hundred hours? I use my Panny plasma as a PC monitor the majority of the time. I also use it to game and to watch TV. I have no burn-in issues whatsoever.
It's rather silly to have to baby a tv before you can use it as you intended to. That being said. I use my plasma for gaming and PC monitor. Have been since day one. Never had an issue.
post #47 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Which is why I've said this I'd good news for everyone. Plasma fan boys want to stick to their sets regardless of flaws or having the LED/OLED market surpass them. Panasonic getting into the LED/OLED gain means stiffer competition in the LCD world. Prices will be forced to go down. Awesome sets like the sharp elite won't have to come at a ridiculous price anymore.

So as I said. This is good news for everyone. LCD and oled have already been advanced enough to out due plasma tech. This will push em that much more. No more price premium for high LCD picture.
LCD sucks. Plasma fans are only bummed because OLED is not affordable yet and only plasma has the PQ we require for a fraction of the price. LCD sets are a joke.
post #48 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chise View Post

For Panasonic there Plasma TV's is there forte,if they stop making them would be stupid and a lot consumers like there tv's
It would be even stupider to continue losing millions on plasma. This is a business decision. Unfortunately there are a bunch of consumers out there like JokeBox360 who would not know PQ if it smacked them in the face.
post #49 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icon13 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chise View Post

For Panasonic there Plasma TV's is there forte,if they stop making them would be stupid and a lot consumers like there tv's
It would be even stupider to continue losing millions on plasma. This is a business decision. Unfortunately there are a bunch of consumers out there like JokeBox360 who would not know PQ if it smacked them in the face.
Well if Plasma is such a superior technology, why can't they price it like a superior tech? rolleyes.gif
post #50 of 76
Eh. For the PQ I get now, it's practically meaningless to me. I just left the burn-in DVD running while I was at work 8hrs/day and overnight while asleep. I noted a big improvement in PQ after that initial wear in.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

It's rather silly to have to baby a tv before you can use it as you intended to. That being said. I use my plasma for gaming and PC monitor. Have been since day one. Never had an issue.
post #51 of 76
Because market forces aren't conducive to that sort of pricing for plasma. As has already been stated, there has been a widespread race to the bottom across many CE sectors.

LCD's were very hard (and thus expensive) to manufacture for quite some time. However, it's slim form factor lent itself well to other CE devices like mobile phones, PC monitors, and now, tablets amongst other things. That diversification across market sectors and the resultant economy of scale is why LCD tech is so pervasive now in the TV market. Not because it is superior to plasma in PQ.

Quote:
Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Well if Plasma is such a superior technology, why can't they price it like a superior tech? rolleyes.gif
post #52 of 76
If Panasonic is going the direction it sounds like, how limited will the ZT60 be as far as availability to consumers? What about a VT60? Comprable to the ZT? I'm looking to upgrade my display from a Sony XBR4 which I love, but after researching, and I've had my eye on the VT50 for a while now, I'm interested in the new Panny 60's. Are they gonna be hard to get a hold of?
post #53 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobius View Post

Because market forces aren't conducive to that sort of pricing for plasma. As has already been stated, there has been a widespread race to the bottom across many CE sectors.

LCD's were very hard (and thus expensive) to manufacture for quite some time. However, it's slim form factor lent itself well to other CE devices like mobile phones, PC monitors, and now, tablets amongst other things. That diversification across market sectors and the resultant economy of scale is why LCD tech is so pervasive now in the TV market. Not because it is superior to plasma in PQ.

Quote:
Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Well if Plasma is such a superior technology, why can't they price it like a superior tech? rolleyes.gif
First off you don't have to be so defensive about Plasma. Makes you look like a Zealot. However I have to disagree about pricing. A BMW and a KIA are both cars. A BMW costs a lot more for the same functionality a KIA provides. People who prefer the perception of 'higher quality' will buy the BMW regardless that it costs twice as much. Neither company is hurting for profits. I believe it's the same with Audio gear and TVs too. If Plasma really is the high end product then it should be sustainable at a high end price.
post #54 of 76
^It really is a high-end product. Pioneer did well until the money dried up.
post #55 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobius View Post

I wouldn't own a goddam LCD/LED. Plastic flesh tones, overblown colors and crap motion control.

I'll buy one more Panny plasma and hopefully that will do me until the market replaces LCD/LED with something worthy of my purchase.
I agree. Guess i better get the ZT60 and keep my 65vt30 for a back up.
post #56 of 76
Thread should be entailed. "Fan boys unite!" The only thing wrong with LCD market is price per dollar. You have to pay a premium to get that amazing picture. To get a great looking LCD you must spend at least 3K. Only 1K for a great looking plasma. That being said. The ZT isn't one of those sets with amazing bang for buck.
post #57 of 76
lol. People being bias of tech is something ill never understand. Your mad now. I can only imagine how pissed you intend to be in the next 3 or so years when plasma actually does stop being made. Stock up on your TVs now! You've still got sometime!

LCD and led have only been getting better. The sharp elite is overpriced. Doesn't mean it doesn't look damn near amazing. Every single tech has flaws. All of em can suck to some aspect. Wait. Why am I wasting my time with you? Bias will be bias. Nothing you can do about it. Moving on.
post #58 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjkusaf1 View Post

What is good for "everyone". Having to settle with a inferior LCD/LED display now or setting aside resources for OLED technology? If the later...I can agree but if not the whole heartedly disagree. As vinnie mentioned, either way, for the near term this isn't "good news for everyone".
Welcome to 10 years ago?

Sorry...I own the 65VT50 and image retention is frequent and burn-in easy. As I have learned to my detriment. My kid with two days of playing the tv with side bars on ..for about 3 hours a day..managed permanent burn-in. I lessened it after running slides for a few hundred hours but it is still there.
post #59 of 76
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newbie01 View Post

Sorry...I own the 65VT50 and image retention is frequent and burn-in easy. As I have learned to my detriment. My kid with two days of playing the tv with side bars on ..for about 3 hours a day..managed permanent burn-in. I lessened it after running slides for a few hundred hours but it is still there.

There it is! Just last week, I was talking to a Panasonic rep. and he asked me "Can the image retention myth finally be put to rest, because it's been eliminated." - that prompted me to ask "You are willing to say it is impossible on a modern plasma?" to which he replied "No, if somebody intentionally tried, it would still happen."

As you now know, anything that can occur intentionally, can also happen by accident. So yeah, it's still a problem. Just not nearly as much of a problem as it used to be.
Edited by imagic - 4/13/13 at 7:50pm
post #60 of 76
This is terrible! I bought a Panasonic 50PH9UK 6 years ago and the picture still spanks these cheap LED/LCD screens! I dont get it!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Latest Industry News
AVS › AVS Forum › News Forum › Latest Industry News › Panasonic Pulls Plug on Plasma Progress—ZT60 Marks End of Era