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post #331 of 568
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AT screen and wall now up and running! Woo! biggrin.gif


Very nice work. Have you fired things up again with the center on top of the subs rather than between them? Now be sure to put lots of thick soft stuff behind the screen and around the center channel.
post #332 of 568
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Very nice work. Have you fired things up again with the center on top of the subs rather than between them? Now be sure to put lots of thick soft stuff behind the screen and around the center channel.

Thanks Mark! It's hard to tell from that pic but the center is actually stacked on top of the subs now:


I was planning on building some 1-2" thick OC703 broadband absorption panels behind all 3 fronts. I may even cover the majority of the wall with this. Would you recommend standard R-19 or Linacoustic over this?
Edited by Gorilla83 - 4/23/13 at 10:37am
post #333 of 568
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You can almost guarantee RX-8 (Bill) will be their. He's from Woodbridge, so he's close to Toronto.

True! I'm actually going to his house this Sunday to listen to his Seaton setup. smile.gif
post #334 of 568
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Thanks Mark! It's hard to tell from that pic but the center is actually stacked on top of the subs now:


I was planning on building some 1-2" thick OC703 broadband absorption panels behind all 3 fronts. I may even cover the majority of the wall with this. Would you recommend standard R-19 or Linacoustic over this?

Gorilla ...let me know what you are doing. I had the exact same thought. I really need some treatments at this point. Paying 150 plus for one corner is not going to cut it though.

Although my wife let me get by with my sub and speakers with no WAF...putting things on the wall crosses the line so WAF is a major consideration here.
post #335 of 568
Yo bro, I actually am planning on throwing some linacoustic to cover the entire area behind the screen at some point. Side walls, ceiling and rear walls. I dont feel like 4-5 2" thick acoustic panels take care of enough of the issue so that is where I am headed.

Mark, What is your main suggestion for having the fluffy in between the mains and the center might I ask?
post #336 of 568
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True! I'm actually going to his house this Sunday to listen to his Seaton setup. smile.gif

Bring your earplugs and be prepared to spend some time their; once Bill gets you downstairs he won't let you leave. biggrin.gif Maybe Debbie -- not Barbara wink.gif -- will make some pizza for you. The one she made us was quite good.
post #337 of 568
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Bring your earplugs and be prepared to spend some time their; once Bill gets you downstairs he won't let you leave. biggrin.gif Maybe Debbie -- not Barbara wink.gif -- will make some pizza for you. The one she made us was quite good.

I'll be sure to get her name right. wink.gif Actually I'm bringing the drinks and food. As a local, it's the least I can do.

I'm looking forward to hearing these speakers as I've wanted to for years now. I'm upgrading in the next year and it will either be Danley, Seaton or JTR. I'll be visiting all of these amazing speaker makers this summer and make my decision then. It's going to be a fun ride! biggrin.gif
post #338 of 568
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Bring your earplugs and be prepared to spend some time their; once Bill gets you downstairs he won't let you leave. biggrin.gif Maybe Debbie -- not Barbara wink.gif -- will make some pizza for you. The one she made us was quite good.

I'll be sure to get her name right. wink.gif Actually I'm bringing the drinks and food. As a local, it's the least I can do.

I'm looking forward to hearing these speakers as I've wanted to for years now. I'm upgrading in the next year and it will either be Danley, Seaton or JTR. I'll be visiting all of these amazing speaker makers this summer and make my decision then. It's going to be a fun ride! biggrin.gif

Looks like Deb is now leaving for Hong Kong early Sunday afternoon so sound volume will not be an issue. biggrin.gif

Interestingly my final short list of speakers came down to the Danley active SH050's and the Seaton Cat12's - you just can not go wrong with either one of those. I had a tough time auditioning both speakers so I know how frustrating that can be. Eventually I went down to Gainesville GA to audition the SH50's in Danley's demo room and spent 5+ hours auditioning to their speakers. Nothing but kind words for the people at Danley. Even if I went with the SH050's (mains) and SH100's (surrounds) I still would have went with the Seaton F2 subs.

The Danley subs sounded fine for music but they definitely lacked the chest pounding lows for HT. That is unless you went with something like their TH812's, aka "The Rock Monster" (8 x 12" long excursion woofers). The problem with that is that I could never get one of those down in the basement with the sharp turn we have down into the basement - price was the other consideration. Interesting speaker just the same; 584 lbs, 146 dB continuous output / 152 dB peak, 110 dB SPL @ 1 watt, 8,000 watts continuous or 16,0000 watts program. Fortuniately it comes on wheels and you probably really only need just one. rolleyes.gif I can still recall my pant legs flapping in the wind created by that monster. That sub definitely handles HT duties. biggrin.gif

Looking forward to Sunday - it should be fun.

-- Bill --
post #339 of 568
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Looks like Deb is now leaving for Hong Kong early Sunday afternoon so sound volume will not be an issue. biggrin.gif

Interestingly my final short list of speakers came down to the Danley active SH050's and the Seaton Cat12's - you just can not go wrong with either one of those. I had a tough time auditioning both speakers so I know how frustrating that can be. Eventually I went down to Gainesville GA to audition the SH50's in Danley's demo room and spent 5+ hours auditioning to their speakers. Nothing but kind words for the people at Danley. Even if I went with the SH050's (mains) and SH100's (surrounds) I still would have went with the Seaton F2 subs.

The Danley subs sounded fine for music but they definitely lacked the chest pounding lows for HT. That is unless you went with something like their TH812's, aka "The Rock Monster" (8 x 12" long excursion woofers). The problem with that is that I could never get one of those down in the basement with the sharp turn we have down into the basement - price was the other consideration. Interesting speaker just the same; 584 lbs, 146 dB continuous output / 152 dB peak, 110 dB SPL @ 1 watt, 8,000 watts continuous or 16,0000 watts program. Fortuniately it comes on wheels and you probably really only need just one. rolleyes.gif I can still recall my pant legs flapping in the wind created by that monster. That sub definitely handles HT duties. biggrin.gif

Looking forward to Sunday - it should be fun.

-- Bill --

Sounds like we'll be bringing Bill's house down! wink.gif

Awesome that you did the same thing I plan on doing. I'm interested in the SM60fs for LR and possibly a SM96 for center. Might be too tall for center duties, which means I'll stick to a phantom center until I move again.

There's not enoigh room in my apartment for a Danley sub. I may get an S2 or submersive to add to my Funk Audio subs, but I'll do some tests before pulling the plug on them. I may not need them when I place the current subs nearfield.

Can't wait for Sunday!
post #340 of 568
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Unless I'm missing something, we are lacking reviews from the following - it's time for a call out!

Beastaudio, Brandon
mikeduke, Mike
Popalock, Austin
SeaNile, John
Kadath, Sam
RX-8, Bill
ironhead1230, Mike


Step on up, boys! biggrin.gif

Bumpity bump bump!
post #341 of 568
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+10000

Unless I'm missing something, we are lacking reviews from the following - it's time for a call out!

Beastaudio, Brandon
mikeduke, Mike
Popalock, Austin
SeaNile, John
Kadath, Sam
RX-8, Bill
ironhead1230, Mike


Step on up, boys! biggrin.gif
Worked on my input last night. I had to stop at my "Noesis Revisited" review to cook dinner, but will have it posted up tonight if all goes according to plan.

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Looks like Deb is now leaving for Hong Kong early Sunday afternoon so sound volume will not be an issue. biggrin.gif

Interestingly my final short list of speakers came down to the Danley active SH050's and the Seaton Cat12's - you just can not go wrong with either one of those. I had a tough time auditioning both speakers so I know how frustrating that can be. Eventually I went down to Gainesville GA to audition the SH50's in Danley's demo room and spent 5+ hours auditioning to their speakers. Nothing but kind words for the people at Danley. Even if I went with the SH050's (mains) and SH100's (surrounds) I still would have went with the Seaton F2 subs.

The Danley subs sounded fine for music but they definitely lacked the chest pounding lows for HT. That is unless you went with something like their TH812's, aka "The Rock Monster" (8 x 12" long excursion woofers). The problem with that is that I could never get one of those down in the basement with the sharp turn we have down into the basement - price was the other consideration. Interesting speaker just the same; 584 lbs, 146 dB continuous output / 152 dB peak, 110 dB SPL @ 1 watt, 8,000 watts continuous or 16,0000 watts program. Fortuniately it comes on wheels and you probably really only need just one. rolleyes.gif I can still recall my pant legs flapping in the wind created by that monster. That sub definitely handles HT duties. biggrin.gif

Looking forward to Sunday - it should be fun.

-- Bill --

Ahhh, the good ol' TH812. It's a beast for sure... Since you had a chance to demo the big daddy sub, did you have a chance to demo any of the Jericho line? At least get your eyes on them?

A LCR Jerico J3 setup with SH50's as surrounds and dual Matterhorns up front for sub duty would be my ultimate torture chamber. Of course, word on the street is that the these little guys are geared more towards larger venues. Imagine that... Ivan Beaver provides a good quick summary of the Jericho line here. Take a sec to envision a J3 LCR and dual Matterhorn's in a HT...lol.

Might be able to hang with Chopshop's build...
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Edited by popalock - 4/24/13 at 11:23am
post #342 of 568
Full Range
Monitor Audio RX8- A very good speaker at a great value. They did seem to have very good solid bass and they handled the tracks pretty well. Overall I would say that these were a very good speaker.

Ascend Sierras- These were a clean sounding speaker. It did what it did within it's limits very well. In retrospect, the highs were very clean. To me, this speaker gave a very nice over all representation of what was being played. But, if I remember correctly they were just a tad bright if pushed. I would not say harsh. Just a bit bright.

SVS Ultra Towers- I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but to me, these are not. Yes they had a ton of bass, but that seemed to dominate everything else. The mids and highs just seemed all mashed together.

Beast's LS6s-These things were just huge. I liked these. To me, they had a ton of clarity and bass. It all seemed even and in balance. They seemed to handle all sorts of music just fine.
I seem to remember some people saying that they were a sensitive speaker but that they still could have handled more power. I don't know. But over all, I liked the sound of these. To me they were dynamic enough for the music we were playing. But it did seem that they wanted more power. The sound stage was very large with this speaker it created a very nice center image.

Legacy Focus SE-These were my favorite of the GTG(Full range and with subs). The clarity on these this is just insane. All aspects of the audio spectrum were well represented. The highs were clean. The mid range was very nice and the bass was outstanding. There is nothing "off" to me in regards with this speaker. What really separated this speaker from all that came before it was how clear and distinct everything was. I could make out the bass line and that was separate from the drumming that was going own. Plus, at least to me, these had the best vocals of all the speakers up to this point and a little even beyond this point. It was really evident in the Billy Joel Track. I could make out more of the song lyrics with these speakers then any other speaker I heard. Now for these, I was in the center seat. There were people who were saying that they felt that they were TOO directional and the off axis listening was it's weakness. I can't comment on that since I was dead center. Then people said that the sounded better when they stood up as opposed to being seated. I stayed seated so I did not bother to hear if there was a difference. So maybe these needed to be raised up more. But none of the other speakers were really raised up so that would have been unfair.


KRK 10's(played at the end of the event)-did not hear

With Subs
Arx A5-I think I was up and roaming around when these were on so I really can't comment to much on them.


SEOS Fusion 8s- I will say, that I was pretty impressed with all of these offerings. This was my first time listening to any sort of DIY speaker for an extended period of time. For the money, the quality of the sound is just crazy good. These turned out to be some of my favorite of the GTG. Although, because we were using subs, it was kind of hard to really see how good and low the bass went. But one thing is for sure, they are dynamic and a bargain

JTR Single 8’s-These were my shocker of the day. These little guys can crank and sound great doing it. On all types of music they really showed their stuff. If you had a small room and really were confined by space, I would say these could be the perfect foundation for a very formidable HT. 5 of these, plus one or two subs, and you would really be rocking. One of my favorite of the day that I heard

SEOS Tempests-See above. I really don't know what I can add to what I already said. I was really impressed with these kits.

SEOS Sentinels- See above, again, I was really impressed with all of these DIY speakers but I would have liked to have listened to them without a sub.

Yorkville U215s-These were being played as I was leaving. I did like the overall sound of these. I could tell that they were very dynamic but still very musical. I wish I had more time with these.

JTR Noesis 212-did not hear, AGAIN frown.gif.

Seaton Cat 12Cs-did not hear at this GTG but I have heard them at other times. What can I say. These things are just monsters. Clarity beyond belief and dynamics that are off the chart. Now, I do wish I could have stayed and listened to them with the new full range DSP. That does sound interesting. Overall these are really great speakers if you want all the clarity and dynamics that are on a recording.

So that's it. Over all I just wanted to say thanks again to Andrew for opening his house and inviting me over. I had a great time hanging out and talking with everyone. It's nice when you meet other people who have like minded hobbies.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 4/24/13 at 10:36am
post #343 of 568
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Ahhh, the good ol' TH812. It's a beast for sure... Since you had a chance to demo the big daddy sub, did you have a chance to demo any of the Jericho line? At least get your eyes on them?

No Jericho demo because they are too large/loud for their demo room. Customers looking at the Jericho's want to here these babies up in the air like the YouTube videos show. Danley has their staging/loading dock are next to their demo room, that's where I got to see one up close. I wouldn't be surprised if people not familiar with these speakers could easily walk by one of these babies not knowing what they are.

-- Bill --
post #344 of 568
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SVS Ultra Towers- I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but to me, these are not. Yes they had a ton of bass, but that seemed to dominate everything else. The mids and highs just seemed all mashed together. Maybe if the powered section was turned down. I had powered Def Tech pro400's years ago and they had a powered bass section. But I did not run them super hot so I was happy with them. I think if they were turned down more, they might have sounded better.

I thought the SVS Ultras were passive speakers. I don't think they have a powered section, unless I'm mistaken.
Edited by VicTorious1 - 4/24/13 at 9:49am
post #345 of 568
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Mike - are you referring to the top, bottom, and either side of the screen? If so, yes and I started building out the panels. smile.gif

Yes, that is what I was asking and I think that clean look will be great. I plan on doing mine that way some day. I just have to stop making so many changes, first. smile.gif
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post #346 of 568
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Worked on mine input last night. I had to stop at my "Noesis Revisited" review to cook dinner, but will have it posted up tonight if all goes according to plan.
Ahhh, the good ol' TH812. It's a beast for sure... Since you had a chance to demo the big daddy sub, did you have a chance to demo any of the Jericho line? At least get your eyes on them?

A LCR Jerico J3 setup with SH50's as surrounds and dual Matterhorns up front for sub duty would be my ultimate torture chamber. Of course, word on the street is that the these little guys are geared more towards larger venues. Imagine that... Ivan Beaver provides a good quick summary of the Jericho line here. Take a sec to envision a J3 LCR and dual Matterhorn's in a HT...lol.

Might be able to hang with Chopshop's build...
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So that is the trade off to get all of those subs. biggrin.gif
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post #347 of 568
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Mike - are you referring to the top, bottom, and either side of the screen? If so, yes and I started building out the panels. smile.gif

Yes, that is what I was asking and I think that clean look will be great. I plan on doing mine that way some day. I just have to stop making so many changes, first. smile.gif

And therein lies my problem smile.gif I am thinking about figuring some way to design a baffle wall, but with the bottom 2 feet or so open so regardless of what I do with the subs, or placement, it will just be open, and some way to adjust panels so if I change speakers it won't require a full redo, but I am really at a loss for how to make all that happen.

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Worked on mine input last night. I had to stop at my "Noesis Revisited" review to cook dinner, but will have it posted up tonight if all goes according to plan.
Ahhh, the good ol' TH812. It's a beast for sure... Since you had a chance to demo the big daddy sub, did you have a chance to demo any of the Jericho line? At least get your eyes on them?

A LCR Jerico J3 setup with SH50's as surrounds and dual Matterhorns up front for sub duty would be my ultimate torture chamber. Of course, word on the street is that the these little guys are geared more towards larger venues. Imagine that... Ivan Beaver provides a good quick summary of the Jericho line here. Take a sec to envision a J3 LCR and dual Matterhorn's in a HT...lol.

Might be able to hang with Chopshop's build...
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So that is the trade off to get all of those subs. biggrin.gif

The Man cooks a mean steak, im just sayin....
post #348 of 568
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I thought the SVS Ultras were passive speakers. I don't think they have a powered section, unless I'm mistaken.
It looks you are right. Sorry about that. I really thought they were powered. I will amend my initial post.
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Yes, that is what I was asking and I think that clean look will be great. I plan on doing mine that way some day. I just have to stop making so many changes, first. smile.gif

I hear you as I'm changing stuff ALL the time. I built mine so I can pull the screen down off the French cleats in seconds and easily swap speakers and subs. I left the bottom section under the screen without a crossbar so that the subs can be slid in/out all day long. I gave myself 37" width, 38" depth, and 63.5" height for each L/C/R speaker behind the screen so I should be good for a while. As far as the subs go I've got 38" in depth and 8 feet in height. biggrin.gif
post #350 of 568
On the top crossbar that you hang the screen on, is it just anchored on each side wall and runs across the whole room? I can't tell from the pics really
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On the top crossbar that you hang the screen on, is it just anchored on each side wall and runs across the whole room? I can't tell from the pics really

That's correct sir. I've got two mounting points (french cleats) each on the left/right side of the screen 18" from the corner to reduce/prevent sagging in the middle. I was going to add a support in the center into the ceiling but it doesn't appear to be necessary.
post #352 of 568
That screen looks very well hung.

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Yes, that is what I was asking and I think that clean look will be great. I plan on doing mine that way some day. I just have to stop making so many changes, first. smile.gif

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And therein lies my problem smile.gif I am thinking about figuring some way to design a baffle wall, but with the bottom 2 feet or so open so regardless of what I do with the subs, or placement, it will just be open, and some way to adjust panels so if I change speakers it won't require a full redo, but I am really at a loss for how to make all that happen.

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I hear you as I'm changing stuff ALL the time. I built mine so I can pull the screen down off the French cleats in seconds and easily swap speakers and subs. I left the bottom section under the screen without a crossbar so that the subs can be slid in/out all day long. I gave myself 37" width, 38" depth, and 63.5" height for each L/C/R speaker behind the screen so I should be good for a while. As far as the subs go I've got 38" in depth and 8 feet in height. biggrin.gif
you guys have to learn to commit. wink.gif

I built my S2 into the speaker stands for my LCR behind the screen. If I ever have to change that, (I can't imagine why I would want to) it will require some major construction.







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That screen looks very well hung.

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Indeed, sir. biggrin.gif Thanks for the help in erecting it. eek.gif
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you guys have to learn to commit. wink.gif

I built my S2 into the speaker stands for my LCR behind the screen. If I ever have to change that, (I can't imagine why I would want to) it will require some major construction.

Commit? Man, I'm already married - that's enough commitment. biggrin.gif Nice looking wall/screen though!
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On the top crossbar that you hang the screen on, is it just anchored on each side wall and runs across the whole room? I can't tell from the pics really

That's correct sir. I've got two mounting points (french cleats) each on the left/right side of the screen 18" from the corner to reduce/prevent sagging in the middle. I was going to add a support in the center into the ceiling but it doesn't appear to be necessary.

Man, must be a nice Stud to have zero warp or anything so that it runs nice and flat. I hear ya on adding the center support, as it doesn't appear necessary at all!

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Yes, that is what I was asking and I think that clean look will be great. I plan on doing mine that way some day. I just have to stop making so many changes, first. smile.gif

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And therein lies my problem smile.gif I am thinking about figuring some way to design a baffle wall, but with the bottom 2 feet or so open so regardless of what I do with the subs, or placement, it will just be open, and some way to adjust panels so if I change speakers it won't require a full redo, but I am really at a loss for how to make all that happen.

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I hear you as I'm changing stuff ALL the time. I built mine so I can pull the screen down off the French cleats in seconds and easily swap speakers and subs. I left the bottom section under the screen without a crossbar so that the subs can be slid in/out all day long. I gave myself 37" width, 38" depth, and 63.5" height for each L/C/R speaker behind the screen so I should be good for a while. As far as the subs go I've got 38" in depth and 8 feet in height. biggrin.gif
you guys have to learn to commit. wink.gif

I built my S2 into the speaker stands for my LCR behind the screen. If I ever have to change that, (I can't imagine why I would want to) it will require some major construction.








Jedi,

My subs can walk all over a single S2, rook.

J/k about the rook part, I know your setup is quite capable, but when you run 8x18's and are constantly changing out mains just for the fun of it, you have to make sure you can accommodate biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif NOW you got me thinking though... perhaps build out a baffle wall with removable speaker baffles that could measure to fit my current speakers/if I doubled up woofs and sealed it/built out some catalyst clones....Hmmmmmm
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That screen looks very well hung.

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Indeed, sir. biggrin.gif Thanks for the help in erecting it. eek.gif

I think I'm going to be sick...
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Commit? Man, I'm already married - that's enough commitment. biggrin.gif Nice looking wall/screen though!
Thanks. As you probably guessed from the color scheme of my wall, pale green and white with no black, I am married as well and she keeps me on a tight leash. eek.gif
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so... just seems appropriate to jump in here smile.gif . rolleyes.gif

Big thank you to all attendees, and to the hosts. I appreciate the reviews, and the effort expended to make it happen, for myself and the 1000 or so people that will read this and never post. Thanks for the time and energy expended putting this together, and for the informative and insightful reviews.

as they say in Jamaica....
... respect

Joseph
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wlhungdude? Really?? There seems no end in sight. Check please!
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Excuses
I was all over the place at the GTG. I wish I would have made the time to sit patiently, focus on three or four specific areas of the demo material and take extensive notes on every offering. Something came up last minute and I had to leave my laptop at home, so the preparation I had done before the meet to set myself up for some easy note taking, Omnimic measuring, etc... had kinda been tossed out of the window. Alas, I had about three different note sheets going throughout the day, but my absent minded a$$ could barely remember where I set my beer down much less keep track of a pen and note sheet. I attempted to help out with gear swapping, so I never seemed to be in any one place for a prolonged period of time.

Bias
Those who know me clearly know I am bias towards the lower end of the fr spectrum and that I like to focus on dynamic capability vs. focusing my grey matter on subtle nuances at nominal listening volumes. (<---Interpretation: Subtle differences become "not so subtle" as higher volumes.) (<---Further Interpretation: Crank that $hit so we can see what it's made of.) Golden ears, mine are not, but I did consistently find myself liking setups that had more presence on the bottom end and I was often left wondering how much more gas was left in the tank before each offering cried uncle.

Buzz Factor
Range: 0-10
0 = Nothing, no alcohol (clear senses)
5 = Buzz (Feelin It)
10 = Obliterated (Super Man)

Monitor RX8s
I was upstairs when these kicked off. I thought to myself, "these are the full rangers, right? Are the subs on?" Turns out Andrews upstairs den is subject to some serious energy transfer (as evident by his wood floor separating in several places from his ridiculous sub setup), but when I headed down stairs to investigate I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Monitors were playing full range with surprising authority for their form factor. Not excessive bass, just fun full sound. I didn't take the time to get into optimal positioning, so I can't comment on detail, clarity, etc... I really really liked what I heard though.

Questions Unanswered:
Could the monitor maintain that smooth full range presence if you wanted to push them another 10db?
Most of us will have a sub. Take away full range requirement and how much more could you push them?
Buzz Factor: 0

Ascends
I had a chance to check these out and get more optimal positioning for a short period of time. Following the Monitor's, the difference in (lack of) mid-bass / bass was apparent. This was my first experience with the RAAL tweeter and I had high expectations. I thought they sounded good, but nothing really stuck out to me. I noted that they didn't have the same presence as the Monitors because they were lacking in mid-bass / bass department. It was early in the day and at one point I thought I heard the RAAL start to break-up slightly in highest frequencies. I don't have my notes in front of me, but I do remember paying attention in the later auditions and noted that other speakers had similar break-up during that particular material, so I have to blame it on the actual recording itself.

Questions Unanswered:
I didn't check the graphs and have not looked at the specs, so I don't know the roll-off point of the Ascends. If subs were in the mix, would a 80Hz cross be sufficient?
How hard can a RAAL be pushed? Listening fatigue an issue at higher volumes?
Buzz Factor: .25 (first beer open)

SVS Ultras
At this point, I had left the room for something else and didn't get to get back in optimal seating position. There seemed to be some debate on the pink noise level of the AVR vs. the actual playback volume (need confirmation of the actual problem). Whatever happened, it resulted in the SVS playing at a moderate volume increase over the previous offerings. IMHO, that kind of threw a wrench in being able to compare them directly to the previous offerings. IIRC SVS company roots are with subs and I must say, from what I heard these towers seemed to be designed to SVS's strength as these seemed to be very bass heavy. I like how they sounded in Andrews space, and I am not necessarily complaining about it, but I felt as though the bass was a bit over the top. I know my wife would want me to tame the bottom end for every day listening. I can't comment on imaging, clarity, etc...as I wasn't in a position to do so.

Questions Unanswered:
With such a pronounced bottom-end, how much more was in the tank? How would the SVS sound with the bottom-end tamed? Was using the AVR to push these really enough?
Buzz Factor: 1

LS6s
I had the pleasure of assisting Beast with carrying these down the hill to the basement. I thought they weren't very heavy at first, but they seemed very stout by the time we reached the basement...lol. Man, the finish on the LS-6's were a sight to behold. I mean, it almost looked like it was carved out of one solid piece of wood and finished with a 1/8" thick gloss resin. Damn near flawless! Seemed we ran into some setup issues as these were not proving to be as sensitive as their specs indicate. Definitely not an optimal setup for these guys, but what little I heard I was digging. Didn't get a chance to sit in the sweet spot, but I moved around the room a bit and found that these seem to "give more" at various locations throughout the room. Bass response was awesome and felt more neutral after following the bass-heavy SVS speakers. It was a cool demo for sure, and one that I regret not being able to spend more time with. Talking to Beast and Edogg over the last several months, I know these things can get down!!! I tried to talk the guys into leaving these setup for some background music while lunch was being served, but Beast and I left for lunch and the Legacy's had already been setup. Dammit! Can't comment on imaging, clarity, etc...because I didn't have a chance to really focus on the material itself.

Questions Unanswered:
IIRC this was the first time Beast had even heard the LS6's on AVR power alone. How much could we have opened them up with the EP4000?
How would they have compared when pushed hard against the York's, No's and Cat's?
I don't know much about comb filtering, but (thanks to MTG90) I got a quick education and have to wonder if we could have pin-pointed this phenomenon with more critical listening and/or higher listening levels?
Buzz Factor: 2

Legacy Focus SE
Beautiful cabinetry. Definitely statement piece. Heavy! Along with being the most unique looking speaker of the day, I felt as though it was the most unique sounding as well. I still can't determine if I like it or not given my inherent bias mentioned above. When I started listening to these my first thought was "is this what people refer to when they make statements like warm, neutral or thick sounding?" Compared to all of the other offerings, the SE's seemed to be the most tame in the upper frequencies. I actually found the sound to be the least "fatiguing" of the group, yet this was the first offering I really felt as though I could pick up the subtle nuances that I had been keeping my ear open for. I was sitting on the floor and someone pointed out the off-axis response. I stood up and could tell a very notable difference in response. It cleared up the upper frequencies pretty substantially. These were very capable looking speakers and not having the chance to open them up really left me hanging... I made the comment that with such a narrow sweet spot, these seemed to be designed for the discerning audiophile with his single king chair and 100% optimized listening room. Don't forget the cognac and cigar to complete the experience.

Questions Unanswered:
Mike mentioned that he powers these with some crazy 900 watt mono blocks (or something else significant IIRC). How would these have sounded full throttle?
I referenced these above as having a "non-fatiguing sound"? I don't know what that means exactly?!?! Would I maintain my opinion if you bumped it up 10-15db?
If anyone was to use these for HT, how would they handle dynamic peaks? Would these expensive beasts have enough on tap for me at a 7+ buzz factor?
Buzz Factor: 3

Arx A5
First of the offerings with subs. Ryan owns a set of these and brought them with him to the Oct Sub GTG. They were overshadowed by the Noesis then and this time overshadowed by the introduction of the S2's. Damn, Ryan and the Arx can't get a break! I made it a point to give these a good listen out of respect for Ryan and the Arx. I was liking what I was hearing, but nothing was really standing out to me. The off axis response was noticeable and very apparent, but not as dramatic (IMO) as what I experienced with the Legacy's. By this time I was starting to develop a bit of a buzz and found the urge to be that little devil on Ryan's shoulder telling him to pull the alpha card, take the remote and crank them. After the initial 23min listening session, Ryan requested to play a few tracks at higher levels. Yesssss.... Finally! Ok, once these were cranked it was easier for me to pick out strengths and weaknesses. I did not take note the AVR level when they Arx's were cranked, but I want to say it was somewhere around -7db or so? (can anyone confirm). At this point I started to hear a bit of distress. I think these would be great for a smaller space for those with a closer LP than 15ft and aren't interested in high level playback.

Questions Unanswered:
I think I was satisfied for the most part, but would have like to hear what they were capable of when playing full range.
Could these outperform the Ascends when running full range duties?
Buzz Factor: 4

Fusion 8s
Adam did a crazy good job with the finish on these bad boys. Really spectacular. Finally having a chance to hear them I thought they sounded fantastic. Very good off axis response and overall clarity and imaging from as far as I could tell were as good as anything else that already been auditioned at this point. Kinda of a shocker when you consider these were literally the most cost effective option of the entire day. Excellent introduction of SEOS to the group! Seemed like it had everyone scratching their head as to what they could really accomplish with other SEOS designs that have come to fruition over the past year or so.

Questions Unanswered:
On par with almost all other offerings at nominal volumes. How about at reference?
How deep could these dig without a sub?
Buzz Factor: 4.2 (Nursing it)

JTR Single 8's
So, IIRC these were had the smallest foot print of all of the day's offerings. Truly bookshelf "looking" little guys. Really nothing special to look at and if it wasn't for the coax (acoustically transparent <---Is that the correct terminology?) dust cap I doubt most would really be able to tell that they were in for a surprise. I wasn't in optimal seating when these were being demoed, but I echo others comments that they sounded freaking awesome. I remember these sticking out to me and one word came to mind... Big. Big sound, very very crisp detailed highs. Brought a smile to my face. Heard Jeff mention that these lil' guys could take some SERIOUS power, so at this point I was really really wanting to bust out the EP4000 to see what these were capable of when pushed hard. I just couldn't imagine them taking the amount of power Jeff has said that he has thrown at them (1700watts IIRC), but I don't doubt they can pretty much get as loud as anyone would want them too...

Questions Unanswered:
Caught my ear, but the short time I spent listening to them I couldn't seem to justify the price tag.
What were these really capable of?
Buzz Factor: 5

SEOS Sentinels
I was extremely excited to finally get to hear Gorilla/MTG's creation. Seeing the measurements Gorilla posted up over the months of how good these Sentinels can be full range really got me amped and convinced that these would convince EVERYONE to go DIY... =). Loved what I heard, but I felt like they were neutered without proper amplification and not being played full range. I tried to talk the powers that be into warming up the EP, but there was just too much going on at the time. Regardless, I thought they sounded similar to the Fusions and had a huge sweet spot with great imaging. Didn't pick up any unique characteristics to really separate them from the rest of the pack except for the OUTSTANDING value they offer!

Questions Unanswered:
More power! Full range! Graaahhh!
Buzz Factor: 6ish

Yorkville U215's
When Gorilla posted up pictures of his most recent acquisition I knew it was going to bring the GTG to another level. The York's have been on my short list of super speakers and having already heard the Noesis, these moved to the top of my audition list. I figured with the York's in the lineup we now had a three way run for the king of the hill! I didn't get show up as early as I wanted to on Friday, but I after dinner I did get to spend maybe an hour with them and freakin loved them. Physically much larger than I had imagined they would be. Did anyone get a side-by-side pic comparison to the Cat's or the Noesis? Anyway, back to listening impressions. On the "Hey Hey" song I felt like it was the only speaker that threw the imaging of the secondary voice way far to the right. Didn't even seem like it was coming from the front stage. Super cool effect that got me even more excited for what we were in store for on Saturday. Since I had time in the hot seat the night before, I didn't want to be greedy on Saturday. When the York's came on deck I was maintaining a nice buzz and really wanted to feed these some power. I felt like the York's weren't the most detailed compared Cat's and Noesis, but were right up my alley for my tastes. I tried to hold back on my consistent requests for amplification, but I think Andrew was picking up on my theme by this point... At $1,600 a piece, they were the cheapest of the top three contenders. Just sayin'. I'm sure I'll find the time to make it up to Andrews to see how these sound with the EP4000 in action. Might have to bring some 24" subs with me to justify the trip... ;-)

Questions Unanswered:
How much more was left in the tank? Would these have been a better match against the Noesis and Cat's if they had similar amplification? What would these dual 15's sound like running the full spectrum?
Buzz Factor: 6

Noesis
Had the pleasure of experiencing these back in October before they officially hit the streets for sale. Nothing really special to look at per se, but I remember talking to Jeff back in October that these could take some power and reach ear bleeding levels. Even back then I wanted to throw the iNuke6000in the mix to see what they were really made of. This being my second experience with the Noesis, I was looking forward to really experiencing what so many have raved about since the Noesis started shipping last year. This go around we demoed these guys with the AVR and I thought they took the cake as the best sounding thus far! The Noesis seem to be happy with all content. They obviously need to be crossed with some woofage that can keep up with them, but I would recommend the Noesis to anyone looking for the ultimate price/performance offering available.

Questions Unanswered:
None really. Jeff made it apparent that full range and Noesis don't really play well together. That's totally fine for my situation. Of course I wanted amplification, but given these met my expectations being pushed with the AVR and not having much luck requesting amplification thus far, I just kinda chilled.
Buzz Factor: 5.5

Cat 12s
Beautiful speakers. Matching stands were awesome as well. I'd say these were maybe the third best looking speakers behind the Legacy and the LS6's. Crossed with subs, I felt the Cat's had a very neutral sound and even when pushed hard they just kept going and going. Sounded great at all volumes and played all content flawlessly. During the demo of the Cat's it really made me wish we had the capability to do blind testing because I it seemed as though I could tell that these were the only active speakers of the night. Just something different that I can't pinpoint. Makes me wonder if I had bias going in knowing that these were active? Anyway, after running these crossed to the subs, we had the opportunity to run through the tracks full range. All I have to say is...Geeeeezus!!! I was not expecting the Cat's, much less ANY other speaker to perform full range duties on that level. As Adam had mentioned, Mark made reference to the Cat 12's performing similar to the SubM when running full range. The woofers on the Cat's were flexing HARD. Full range unquestionably set them apart (by far) from the pack. Who the hell needs a sub if you had a Cat12 LCR. I thought the Cat's had the best top and bottom end of the night. Until...

Questions Unanswered:
Of everything played during the GTG I'd say these blew everyone (including me) away. The only question I had was the sub level when these were ran with the 80Hz cross. IIRC the subs were ran a tad hotter than the rest of the offerings at that point. Can anyone confirm? Regardless Mark ran these active, full range beasts full out and it took the fun factor to the next level... Awesome demo and won me over without question!
Buzz Factor: 5

Noesis Revisited
I'm not exactly sure how it came about, but the determination was made that the Noesis deserved some real power, so accommodations were made to fire up the EP4000. We then had a chance to revisit several of the clips from our track selection. I haven't had much experience listening to a speaker at peak levels without then with amplification, so this was a good exercise to see if amplification would actually make a difference. With the Noesis being a high sensitivity design, I wasn't really sure what to expect.

...

IMHO, amplification took the Noesis to the next level. Since we had some real power we skipped the nominal listening levels, so I can't say if amplification added anything below reference (or other listening levels most would consider sane). I remember feeling voices and instruments resonate throughout my body when we fed the Noesis proper juice. I'm not talking about a spiritual experience, or anything metaphorical, I'm talking plain and simple CRAZY output. For me, this was a clear distinction from when we ran the them without an amp. Also, in my subjective opinion, amplification made everything seem more effortless. I'd say it leapfrogged the Cat's take the top spot of the night. Crossed with subs of course... =)

Questions Unanswered:
Thank you...
Buzz Factor: 4.5

KRKs
Heard these back in at Gorilla's October Subwoofer GTG. Honestly, at the time, all I remotely cared about was subs, so I didn't even give these a second look. It's like when you get in the mood for Mexican food and there just happens to be a Sushi spot right next to the Mexican restaurant. I love Dragon Rolls, but I was trying to get my Fajita fix man! Anyway, I had a chance to get to listen too, and appreciate, the KRK's this go around. It was near the end of the night and all of the heavy hitters had their turn, so the primary listening areas were available. I wanted to give these some real attention because Ben had given them rave reviews. Tell you what... I completely agree. I really liked these guys. Even after all of the ear rape I had endured, I was hearing things with the KRK's that I hadn't heard from any other offering all night. I want to say there was one or two clips where I had Ben play a track three of four times because I thought I was hearing the KRK's distort or play nasty sounds. Turns out it was the recordings themselves. Revealing, yes.... Maybe a bit too revealing? Ben opened them up for us full range too and was again impressed with what they were able to offer when called upon. Great at full range duties for sure. In fact, I bet they would have been one of the best in the full range group at the beginning of the day. I think I remember Ben mentioning that he is only about 6ft away from his MLP and his speakers, so Geez man... these KRK's up that close would be more than enough for just about anyone.

Questions Unanswered:
I'm good. Satisfied.
Buzz Factor: 4

Final thoughts
This is my first "speaker" GTG. While I enjoyed every aspect of it, I found myself (and seemed to note several others) getting distracted during the earlier auditions. While I think the approach we took made the most logistical sense, it was clear that 90% of the people were there to hear the heavy hitters and didn't put as much stock into giving every offering a thorough review (yes including myself *note my somewhat hollow reviews). How can we mitigate this? IMHO, less contenders, more time with each offering and I think next time we do this we should make it blind to take out any potential bias.
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