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post #421 of 568
for the most part they were all placed in pretty much the same place, the LS6s were the one exception due to their size. also the Legacys were placed a little higher because of their size. we should have put them on the floor and not the risers
post #422 of 568
Those measurements reveal that the room was a huge influence on the sound. For example almost every speaker has a big bump around 120 Hz. For comparison purposes those graphs aren't very useful, as you are seeing more "room" than speaker. Sorry to be critical. Does sound like you guys had a great time though. It makes me cringe thinking of how loud you guys had it...
post #423 of 568
Hey Rilla!!!! Would you mind getting links to the measurements and possibly some of the other pertinent info linked into your first post? It is starting to get tough to find it all biggrin.gif Just whenever you have some time brah!
post #424 of 568
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Hey Rilla!!!! Would you mind getting links to the measurements and possibly some of the other pertinent info linked into your first post? It is starting to get tough to find it all biggrin.gif Just whenever you have some time brah!

Sure thing sir - will get that done this weekend for sure. Out of the country at the moment now and a bit hard to operate on my iPhone. biggrin.gif
post #425 of 568
I hear ya! Makes sense why it went to voicemail when I hollered at ya last night biggrin.gif haha.

Hey dudes from the meet: Just posted the LS-6's on the classifieds. It breaks my heart to have to sell em, but I have too many other projects I want to try and nothing else is coming out of pocket until I can sell some stuff...
post #426 of 568
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I hear ya! Makes sense why it went to voicemail when I hollered at ya last night biggrin.gif haha.

Hey dudes from the meet: Just posted the LS-6's on the classifieds. It breaks my heart to have to sell em, but I have too many other projects I want to try and nothing else is coming out of pocket until I can sell some stuff...

pfffff.... if I hadn't just bought surrounds I might have done that and made my krk's the surrounds..... should have told me like 2 weeks ago
post #427 of 568
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I hear ya! Makes sense why it went to voicemail when I hollered at ya last night biggrin.gif haha.

Hey dudes from the meet: Just posted the LS-6's on the classifieds. It breaks my heart to have to sell em, but I have too many other projects I want to try and nothing else is coming out of pocket until I can sell some stuff...
I hear you!! I have my monitors sold, now I gotta get rid of my subs! Then a big fat amp biggrin.gif Bummer about the LS6's, but you know your gonna replace them with some new toys wink.gif
post #428 of 568
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pfffff.... if I hadn't just bought surrounds I might have done that and made my krk's the surrounds..... should have told me like 2 weeks ago

What surrounds? We can work out a deal if you really are interested biggrin.gif

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I hear you!! I have my monitors sold, now I gotta get rid of my subs! Then a big fat amp biggrin.gif Bummer about the LS6's, but you know your gonna replace them with some new toys wink.gif

Without a doubt. Couple things cookin right now!!!! Gotta make room, haha
post #429 of 568
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What surrounds? We can work out a deal if you really are interested biggrin.gif

Eh, I definitely can't do it now.... the family wouldn't let me hear the end of it. If I would have heard about it earlier I might've been able to get them setup in the upstairs media room... but alas it definitely can't happen.


I got mackie mr8mk2 because they continue the super detailed sound that the krk's have and they have an amazing image field... perfect for surrounds. That and they are cheap and I won't feel too bad replacing them in a few months biggrin.gif *planning ahead*
post #430 of 568
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Eh, I definitely can't do it now.... the family wouldn't let me hear the end of it. If I would have heard about it earlier I might've been able to get them setup in the upstairs media room... but alas it definitely can't happen.


I got mackie mr8mk2 because they continue the super detailed sound that the krk's have and they have an amazing image field... perfect for surrounds. That and they are cheap and I won't feel too bad replacing them in a few months biggrin.gif *planning ahead*
What did you get?? I don't know what a mackie is tongue.gif
post #431 of 568
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Eh, I definitely can't do it now.... the family wouldn't let me hear the end of it. If I would have heard about it earlier I might've been able to get them setup in the upstairs media room... but alas it definitely can't happen.


I got mackie mr8mk2 because they continue the super detailed sound that the krk's have and they have an amazing image field... perfect for surrounds. That and they are cheap and I won't feel too bad replacing them in a few months biggrin.gif *planning ahead*
post #432 of 568
Ben, I enjoyed your krk monitors in the october shootout, are these any good or comparable to what you had?

http://slickdeals.net/f/6042274-Newegg-KRK-Systems-RP8G2-Rokit-G2-Powered-Studio-Monitor-189-95-FS
post #433 of 568
While they are in the same product family from KRK (Rokit) The Rokit Powered 8 Gen2 (RP8G2) and the smaller ones as well (RP6G2 and RP5G2) are nowhere near as good with sound quality or freq response. The 10-3 is in a league of its own

The KRK 10-3 is what I brought (own), I really wouldn't recommend anything else KRK makes.... sad to say it.....
post #434 of 568
I’m glad the KRK’s got mentioned again! smile.gif

Ben, thank you for taking your KRK Rokits to the Shootout. I've been interested in these for a while, and hadn't been able to find any reviews except from the pro/monitoring world (naturally), so the impressions in this thread are like gold. Up until now, these have been a pretty well kept secret - searches on AVS, A/H, HTS etc turned up nothing for me until Electric_Haggis’ recent review and this thread.

I enjoyed reading all the reviews, particularly this one:
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KRKs
Heard these back in at Gorilla's October Subwoofer GTG. Honestly, at the time, all I remotely cared about was subs, so I didn't even give these a second look. It's like when you get in the mood for Mexican food and there just happens to be a Sushi spot right next to the Mexican restaurant. I love Dragon Rolls, but I was trying to get my Fajita fix man! Anyway, I had a chance to get to listen too, and appreciate, the KRK's this go around. It was near the end of the night and all of the heavy hitters had their turn, so the primary listening areas were available. I wanted to give these some real attention because Ben had given them rave reviews. Tell you what... I completely agree. I really liked these guys. Even after all of the ear rape I had endured, I was hearing things with the KRK's that I hadn't heard from any other offering all night. I want to say there was one or two clips where I had Ben play a track three of four times because I thought I was hearing the KRK's distort or play nasty sounds. Turns out it was the recordings themselves. Revealing, yes.... Maybe a bit too revealing? Ben opened them up for us full range too and was again impressed with what they were able to offer when called upon. Great at full range duties for sure. In fact, I bet they would have been one of the best in the full range group at the beginning of the day. I think I remember Ben mentioning that he is only about 6ft away from his MLP and his speakers, so Geez man... these KRK's up that close would be more than enough for just about anyone.

Questions Unanswered:
I'm good. Satisfied.
Buzz Factor: 4

So now I'm really interested in trying the Rokit 10-3's as LCR in our modest living room setup. They look like a real performance bargain for a small/medium room at ~A$530 each. Plus, the rotatable tweet/mid allows me to lay the centre on it's side without issue. Our seating distance is 3.7m in a 3.6m wide x 4.8m long (unsealed) room. Ben, what would your prediction be for how they would perform in that sized space?

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Full Range
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KRK 10-3 monitors (owner bias)
-These were run last at the event, full range (without subs)
-super clinical, very distinct on every part of each track (a negative at times)
-volume wise it couldn't hit the level of the yorkville/noesis/cat 12s (very close) but that is only cause the amps are anemic and the woofer power limited a few times when I pushed the reciever to +2 (notably on the blake track)
-was run at reference (0 dB) for entire track list, going louder on some tracks.
-bass was very present, possibly best out of all the full rangers

On what sort of material do you think the clinical presentation is a negative? Does it just show up poor recordings? With respect to volume, would they perform a little better if run with a pair of good subs (not my current ones!) to carry the low end burden? You've mentioned the limitation of the woofer amp... I guess running them with subs would help heaps in that regard?

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Do it! I very much want to hear other audiophile's opinions with a extended listen.

Even in the pro-audio world the KRK 10-3's are rare. They fall into an odd price category and KRK is often dismissed for its crappy 2-way rokit monitors (I know I did, and still do). But the 10-3 really surprised me when I heard it at an audio show a few years ago as a prototype and I have loved them ever since. They may not have the power to go to 120+ db, but they do get close....

The JTR's seemed to surprise a lot of attendees with their high output. I’m interested in them too, but in the longer term as the JTR's will cost me A$1300+ each once shipping, taxes/duties are factored in. Would any attendees care to comment or make direct comparisons between the Rokits and JTR Single 8's? Would you pay 2.5 times the price of the Rokits for Single 8's? (< That's a hard question to answer I suupose.)

Congratulations Gorilla83 and everyone involved in the Shootout - it's been great following along. smile.gif
post #435 of 568
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While they are in the same product family from KRK (Rokit) The Rokit Powered 8 Gen2 (RP8G2) and the smaller ones as well (RP6G2 and RP5G2) are nowhere near as good with sound quality or freq response. The 10-3 is in a league of its own

The KRK 10-3 is what I brought (own), I really wouldn't recommend anything else KRK makes.... sad to say it.....

If I wanted to lash out and go powered all round, would the RP6G2's or RP5G2's be acceptable for surround duty with the 10-3's as LCR?

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Ben, I enjoyed your krk monitors in the october shootout, are these any good or comparable to what you had?

Archaea, can you please post a link (if any) to "the october shootout"?
post #436 of 568
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Ben, I enjoyed your krk monitors in the october shootout, are these any good or comparable to what you had?

Archaea, can you please post a link (if any) to "the october shootout"?

This thread

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1434901/northeast-october-20th-gtg-results-thread#post_22512895
post #437 of 568
^^^ Thank you sir!
post #438 of 568
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The JTR's seemed to surprise a lot of attendees with their high output. I’m interested in them too, but in the longer term as the JTR's will cost me A$1300+ each once shipping, taxes/duties are factored in. Would any attendees care to comment or make direct comparisons between the Rokits and JTR Single 8's? Would you pay 2.5 times the price of the Rokits for Single 8's? (< That's a hard question to answer I suupose.)

The single 8's were amazing for their size, truly unreal output and clarity from them. In your case, I don't think there is even a question though. for 2.5x the cost for the s8's I would suggest sticking with the 10-3's. They were an absolutly amazing speaker, capable of well over reference with so little power it is silly. The single8's are no slouch, and will go louder and harder than the Rokit's, but IMO they might lack a little in the finesse that you will get with the Rokit's at normal listening levels. Bottom line here is you will be happy with either one, but all-around, the 10-3's are a little more of a "mains" speaker than the single8 which once again is certainly capable as a main, you will just need a more solid sub system to help it out a tad biggrin.gif
post #439 of 568
I do not have time to respond properly right now (7 hour road trip in 39 minutes).

I truly meant what I said With the 10-3 being a league above the other rokits. I wouldnt spend money on them......


As a word of warning. The 10-3s are very very sensitive to being properly grounded and to having a truly 0 volt ground. I had to buy a power conditioner and wire my recievers grounding post to it to solve the issue.....
post #440 of 568
That's what 113dB sensitivity will get ya every time!!! hehe
post #441 of 568
RKR 10-3

Max Peak SPL:113 dB --- not 113 dB sensitivity on the RKR 10-3 according to the website.
http://www.krksys.com/krk-studio-monitor-speakers/rokit/rokit-rp10-3.html

single 8 - $900
rkr 10-3 - $500

not 2.5x cost either.


I haven't heard them in the same place at the same time, but I've heard both, and the single eights on multiple occassions. I like them both. The single eight's will go much louder - if that's on the wishlist. The single eights remain one of the loudest speakers I've ever heard when powered by a pro amp at the 2011 huskeromaha meet in Greg's living room. That was just ridiculous. The speakers were capable of inhuman levels of clean playback. The RKR 10-3 get plenty loud too - but about 10dB less at max according to the specs. The RKR are effectively full range for music listening and also very excellent. -- hence my interest when I thought I saw something similar on a good sale.
Edited by Archaea - 5/23/13 at 8:29am
post #442 of 568
FWIW - I think the S8 becomes a bit of a tough recommendation for $900 when the 228HT is only $1200. The S8 is good, but the 228HT, IMO, is better.
post #443 of 568
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Originally Posted by GIEGAR View Post

I enjoyed reading all the reviews, particularly this one:

Was it the fajita reference? Glad you enjoyed and hope you found it useful.

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The single eights remain one of the loudest speakers I've ever heard when powered by a pro amp at the 2011 huskeromaha meet in Greg's living room. That was just ridiculous. The speakers were capable of inhuman levels of clean playback. The RKR 10-3 get plenty loud too - but about 10dB less at max according to the specs. The RKR are effectively full range for music listening and also very excellent. -- hence my interest when I thought I saw something similar on a good sale.

What, WOW!... Geez, that really puts Jeff's comment (about how much power these lil' beasts can take) into perspective. I loved the way the S8's sounded, but I would not have imagined they could get down like that! Kinda makes me want to scoop them up just as a conversation piece... "That sound is coming from that little guy?"

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FWIW - I think the S8 becomes a bit of a tough recommendation for $900 when the 228HT is only $1200. The S8 is good, but the 228HT, IMO, is better.

Remind me again... Do the S8 and the 228HT use the same BMS CD? Jeff's site always pisses me off because I can never get on it at work...

tongue.gif
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Was it the fajita reference? Glad you enjoyed and hope you found it useful.
What, WOW!... Geez, that really puts Jeff's comment (about how much power these lil' beasts can take) into perspective. I loved the way the S8's sounded, but I would not have imagined they could get down like that! Kinda makes me want to scoop them up just as a conversation piece... "That sound is coming from that little guy?"
Remind me again... Do the S8 and the 228HT use the same BMS CD? Jeff's site always pisses me off because I can never get on it at work...

tongue.gif

The S8 uses a high power coax while the 228's I believe use something like the BMS 4550 - a one way 1" exit CD. Jonathan - Correct me if I'm misspeaking here. I think the biggest selling point for the S8's is the output potential and sound quality given such a small size. They're great for those with space constraints for sure. I think many would be blown away by a blind demo of the S8's hidden behind an AT screen. biggrin.gif I'm with Jonathan in that I believe the 228's are WELL worth the marginal increase in cost.

With that said, the KRK 10-3's are one of my favorite "best value" choices for a commercial speaker that I've heard so far. Sure, they won't play as loud as the 228's or the S8s, but they will still play reference in most rooms and have great extension, unreal clarity, AND built in tri-amplification. I'm not aware of any close competitors for 500 a pop.
post #445 of 568
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Kinda makes me want to scoop them up just as a conversation piece... "That sound is coming from that little guy?"

tongue.gif

It was almost comical when they unveiled the speakers at the blind GTG at David's. Some of us were laughing in disbelief that speaker D was so small, it just didn't compute with what we just heard and that was WITHOUT a sub. Just that little guy and nothing else - doesn't make sense.
post #446 of 568
Love this forum! Post a rambling question late one day, go to sleep, wake up the next day to heaps of well considered, helpful answers! smile.gif

Archaea, beastaudio, rush2049, popalock, Gorilla83, carp: Thanks fellas for taking the time to respond to my query. It's late Friday arvo here and I've been bashed senseless at work all day. I promise I'll respond to you all over the weekend. Lots to think about.

Thanks again.
post #447 of 568
I wonder how the KRK speaker would sound against a QSC K10?

How does the SHO-10 stack up to it? Also remember that if one is using an AVR to power whatever then the S8 loses any output advantage to the KRK's. So if you want to use the louder spls as an advantage you need to add in amplifiers to the cost.
post #448 of 568
Even with an avr the s8 is looking at a 3db advantage over th krk's. Im glad these guys are getting some attention i've been very curious about them.

I do have a question about how you connect these pro-monitors to a consumer avr. I see a trs connector but im not sure what that is.
post #449 of 568
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Even with an avr the s8 is looking at a 3db advantage over th krk's. Im glad these guys are getting some attention i've been very curious about them.

I do have a question about how you connect these pro-monitors to a consumer avr. I see a trs connector but im not sure what that is.

The krk's have three inputs. Balanced XLR (often used with microphones), Balanced TRS (often used with guitars), and Unbalanced rca..... for use with an avr, unless you have a fancy avr that has xlr or trs, you are going to be using the rca pre-outs....
post #450 of 568
I see. So just use the pre-outs on the avr. What controls the volume, the avr or the monitor itself. And since its an analogue signal can i still receive hd audio signals?
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