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post #31 of 113
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Originally Posted by Phatal One View Post

The ST line is lower than the GT for the 50 series. However, the 2013 model line in the States is S, ST, VT, ZT. There is no GT this year. The ST60 is being compared favorably to the top-of-the line VT50 from last year should tell you all you need to know. The only thing I would caution you on is the ST60 has input lag that is noticeable to some people and has a thread in the forums. I purchased a 50ST60 as a "temporary" TV until the ZT series came out... Three weeks on and I am still constantly amazed at the value you get in this set.

Thank you for the response.. Sounds like a no brainer. Just looked at my receipt and the ST is $200 less than what I paid for the GT, and it comes with the 3D glasses.
post #32 of 113
It's probably using VT30/VT25 technology from 2010/2011, which is pretty impressive and at a value price is a steal. Don't hate a plasma. You have to spend 2-3x the amount for LCD/LED to get somewhat equivalent performance in PQ as a plasma.
post #33 of 113
What features are going to differentiate the ST from the VT or even the new ZT? I've had my eye on the VT50 for some time now, waiting to pounce. With the arrival of the new Panny plasmas, and quite possibly their last, it may be time for me to jump ship with my Sony XBR and go to a 60 series plasma. At the price point the ST seems tough to pass on, but like I said, what features are going to differentiate the other models? Is there a website you can do a side by side, or feature by feature comparison?
post #34 of 113
Sears was showing the TC-P60ST60 for $1499 on their website yesterday, but it went pretty quickly. If I see one again at that price it will be very difficult not to pull the trigger. Can't even get the ST50 for that much...
post #35 of 113
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Originally Posted by adam320 View Post

Thank you for the response.. Sounds like a no brainer. Just looked at my receipt and the ST is $200 less than what I paid for the GT, and it comes with the 3D glasses.
The ST50 and GT50 had the same panel and therefore identical picture. As I recall the GT50 had a THX mode and a better processor for apps and online content. Those were the only differences.
post #36 of 113
After looking at the specs side by side with the GT, I think the only reason it's getting so highly rated is the price point.. I read something that the ST has a plastic bezel compared to the GT which is metal/glass, and the only other differences I can find is the shades of gradation is better on the GT, and the GT has THX which the ST does not.. Still going to be a great TV for the price, but for me personally I dont see a reason to pack of the GT and return it. Someone in the know correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason I see to return the GT would be if I was saving a bunch of $$.
post #37 of 113
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

The ST50 and GT50 had the same panel and therefore identical picture. As I recall the GT50 had a THX mode and a better processor for apps and online content. Those were the only differences.

Ha! You posted this while I was posting mine, i think there are more differences between the ST50 and the GT50 but i didnt look up the ST50s specs.
Edited by adam320 - 4/16/13 at 11:16am
post #38 of 113
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

What features are going to differentiate the ST from the VT or even the new ZT? I've had my eye on the VT50 for some time now, waiting to pounce. With the arrival of the new Panny plasmas, and quite possibly their last, it may be time for me to jump ship with my Sony XBR and go to a 60 series plasma. At the price point the ST seems tough to pass on, but like I said, what features are going to differentiate the other models? Is there a website you can do a side by side, or feature by feature comparison?
You're waiting to pounce on a VT50? More and more places ran out or aren't even carrying that model. It's a good TV and a helluva value...if you can find one. The Panasonic website allows you to compare the different models. Not always entirely reliable but it gives you the basics.

Right now it's looking like Panasonic isn't stopping production of plasmas so much as diverting R&D resources away to OLED development.
Edited by repete66211 - 4/16/13 at 11:22am
post #39 of 113
Would that be a good for gaming? I have my eye on Sony's new W900a but would this be better?
post #40 of 113
Cleveland Plasma is where I was looking and the pricing is fantastic. I'm interested in some of the new features for the ZT60 like the Dragon speech recognition.
post #41 of 113
The ZT6 will have VERY limited availability--Magnolia only for the first few months. I hope CP is able to secure a supply but it's possible they may not have any until August or so.
post #42 of 113
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

Would that be a good for gaming? I have my eye on Sony's new W900a but would this be better?
I read a review from Great Britain that clocked the ST60 something like 20ms slower than the ST50.
post #43 of 113

I've just been comparing the S60 & ST60 side by side, and it looks like the main differences are the ST60 has (noticeably) better glare reduction, one more HDMI port, 10-point (versus only 2-point on the S60) grayscale, and 3D. The contrast and blacks look significantly better on the ST60 in a brightly lit room due to its better anti-glare filter. But there's also more of a "texture" to the surface of the ST60 screen which is absent on the S60. And maybe they'd look more comparable at night in a room with better light control (?).


Edited by ADU - 4/16/13 at 7:28pm
post #44 of 113
Just ordered the 65" for our design center's golf simulator/bar we are designing and the 50" for the adjacent poker room. I will replace the 65" with the ZT60 when it ships in August. I don't see a reason to do the VT when it is available this June. For the VT, in this case, being the middle child is a bad place to sit because the ST is so good.

I will give impressions when it comes in next week (probably Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
post #45 of 113
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Originally Posted by PlexMulti View Post

For the VT, in this case, being the middle child is a bad place to sit because the ST is so good.

I will give impressions when it comes in next week (probably Monday or Tuesday at the latest.

Interested in hearing your impression.

As for the middle child, I can't see spending $3,000 for the 60" VT60 when the top of the line ZT60 is only $3,500. The ST60 is very tempting at $1,700, but if I am going to do my theater to the level I want, I want to have THX. I know I will probably never notice the difference, but I don't want to think later on, but what if I only got the other one instead...?
post #46 of 113
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Originally Posted by wingnut65 View Post

Interested in hearing your impression.

As for the middle child, I can't see spending $3,000 for the 60" VT60 when the top of the line ZT60 is only $3,500. The ST60 is very tempting at $1,700, but if I am going to do my theater to the level I want, I want to have THX. I know I will probably never notice the difference, but I don't want to think later on, but what if I only got the other one instead...?

I have THX on my Epson PJ but I don't use it. Theater Black 2 looks better IMO.
post #47 of 113
They very well may be right about this one, but the weight I give Cnet's reviews has lightened considerably the past few years.
post #48 of 113
Well, considering this line is the only TV in history to be compared head to head with the Kuro, I doubt Cnet is too far off base.
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/HDTV-Battle-Panasonic-ZT60-Plasma-vs-Pioneer-Kuro-Who-Wins.shtml


Ive had my LG50PK50C for quite some time now, and will probably retire it to bedroom duty this fall, when the VT model prices come down a bit.


Oh, and HI, First post:)
post #49 of 113
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Originally Posted by Molot0k View Post

Well, considering this line is the only TV in history to be compared head to head with the Kuro, I doubt Cnet is too far off base.
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/HDTV-Battle-Panasonic-ZT60-Plasma-vs-Pioneer-Kuro-Who-Wins.shtml


Ive had my LG50PK50C for quite some time now, and will probably retire it to bedroom duty this fall, when the VT model prices come down a bit.


Oh, and HI, First post:)


Welcome aboard!

post #50 of 113
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Originally Posted by grizimes View Post

What features are going to differentiate the ST from the VT or even the new ZT? I've had my eye on the VT50 for some time now, waiting to pounce. With the arrival of the new Panny plasmas, and quite possibly their last, it may be time for me to jump ship with my Sony XBR and go to a 60 series plasma. At the price point the ST seems tough to pass on, but like I said, what features are going to differentiate the other models? Is there a website you can do a side by side, or feature by feature comparison?

The VT60 and ZT60 has the dual-core hexa processing engine.. the ST60 doesn't. Theres one big example, but yeah the Panasonic website is where you want to go to compare the specs of all models you're interested in..
post #51 of 113
Mounted my 65" ST60 yesterday.. currently running prep slides for 100 hours.. I'll never make it, I know I'll cave before but oh well, can't wait to see the picture quality cool.gif

Man I wished I had the $$ to get a ZT60 frown.gif
post #52 of 113
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post


Right now it's looking like Panasonic isn't stopping production of plasmas so much as diverting R&D resources away to OLED development.

That's great news !

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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Great set for sure. Panasonic makes some really good plasmas. But the size IMO in this time of tech. Wish they could at least bumped it up to a 70". Imagine a ZT70. Now that's what I call eye candy..smile.gif

Or a 75" ZT60.. cool.gif Samsung makes 75" plasmas.. just sayin
post #53 of 113
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

That's great news !
Or a 75" ZT60.. cool.gif Samsung makes 75" plasmas.. just sayin

Since when? They make a 75" LED, the 75ES9000, but no plasmas. There are two new 75" LEDs on the horizon from Sammy (F6400 and F8000). Panasonic makes 85" PDP but apparently they aren't feasible at affordable prices.
post #54 of 113
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

Since when? They make a 75" LED, the 75ES9000, but no plasmas. There are two new 75" LEDs on the horizon from Sammy (F6400 and F8000). Panasonic makes 85" PDP but apparently they aren't feasible at affordable prices.

Oh sorry I thought the F8500 was available in 75".. my mistake.
post #55 of 113

Still not sure I'm ready to take the dive into plasma yet. After 10+ years of use, my Sony CRT still seems to be going strong and is looking better than ever (after alot of tweaks), so it's hard to justify simply dumping it.

 

Between the S60 and ST60 though, I think I'd personally lean toward the S60, because I'm not a big fan of anti-glare filters. (I even went so far as to remove the filter from my CRT, which is not somethin I'd recommend to any plasma owners btw... And I like the picture alot better without it.)

 

Some of my chief concerns re these displays are...

 

1) The depth of the black levels, because most of my viewing is at night, and I tend to keep the room lighting pretty low.

 

2) The accuracy of the color decoding, and whether there's any "green push" which can't be corrected on the display.

 

3) The accuracy of the color primaries/gamut, and how closely they conform to Rec. 709.

 

4) The reduction in contrast on white/high APL images (ie the "dirty whites" that fans of other display technologies often refer to).

 

When I compared the S60 and ST60, both TVs seemed to be "clamping down" on the brightness of white/high APL images pretty significantly. And I wonder if there's any way to tweak that a bit, so it's not so noticeable like I can do on my CRT.

 

(APL = average picture level, btw.) 


Edited by ADU - 4/20/13 at 6:43pm
post #56 of 113
Cnet are praises for Panasonic and Apple all the time, They highlight their positive features in a HUGE way and just mention their cons in just bullet points. While they do the opposite for the rest of the other companies. When you go in store and look at what they have been praising the first reaction is "Seriously?"
post #57 of 113
^Well, you're looking to be blinded by LED. wink.gif Seriously, CNET is not the only outlet to give Panasonic high marks for their panels (last year's VT50 was the shootout winner).
post #58 of 113
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

Still not sure I'm ready to take the dive into plasma yet. After 10+ years of use, my Sony CRT still seems to be going strong and is looking better than ever (after alot of tweaks), so it's hard to justify simply dumping it.

Between the S60 and ST60 though, I think I'd personally lean toward the S60, because I'm not a big fan of anti-glare filters. (I even went so far as to remove the filter from my CRT, which is not somethin I'd recommend to any plasma owners btw... And I like the picture alot better without it.)

Some of my chief concerns re these displays are...

1) The depth of the black levels, because most of my viewing is at night, and I tend to keep the room lighting pretty low.
The Pioneers from 2008 have yet to be beat in this area.
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2) The accuracy of the color decoding, and whether there's any "green push" which can't be corrected on the display.
Close to perfection with the same 2008 panel, and I don't believe there has been any regression since; the same should be true for issue #3.
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4) The reduction in contrast on white/high APL images (ie the "dirty whites" that fans of other display technologies often refer to).

When I compared the S60 and ST60, both TVs seemed to be "clamping down" on the brightness of white/high APL images pretty significantly. And I wonder if there's any way to tweak that a bit, so it's not so noticeable like I can do on my CRT.
This has never really registered as a problem to me, but it's safe to say the new panels have improved in this area as well, though still noticeable in comparison to your CRT. However, the F8500 might be of greater interest with its ability go brighter.
post #59 of 113
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Originally Posted by fatuglyguy View Post

While they're not the most technical reviews out there, I think Katzmaier is pretty trustworthy and his method is pretty solid. If he's biased towards anything, it's image quality. Samsung is a sponsor there too, and their stuff doesn't always walk away with a great rating. If he's so biased towards Panasonic, then why did CNet give Panasonic's 2012 LED TVs roughly 2 1/2 stars across the board? Because they didn't look good and they weren't afraid to say it. Like I said, can't speak for the rest of the people at cnet, but Katz seems like he knows what he's doing.

If you want to read garbage, biased reviews, head to televisioninfo.

+1
post #60 of 113
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

Still not sure I'm ready to take the dive into plasma yet. After 10+ years of use, my Sony CRT still seems to be going strong and is looking better than ever (after alot of tweaks), so it's hard to justify simply dumping it.

Between the S60 and ST60 though, I think I'd personally lean toward the S60, because I'm not a big fan of anti-glare filters. (I even went so far as to remove the filter from my CRT, which is not somethin I'd recommend to any plasma owners btw... And I like the picture alot better without it.)

Some of my chief concerns re these displays are...

1) The depth of the black levels, because most of my viewing is at night, and I tend to keep the room lighting pretty low.

2) The accuracy of the color decoding, and whether there's any "green push" which can't be corrected on the display.

3) The accuracy of the color primaries/gamut, and how closely they conform to Rec. 709.

4) The reduction in contrast on white/high APL images (ie the "dirty whites" that fans of other display technologies often refer to).

When I compared the S60 and ST60, both TVs seemed to be "clamping down" on the brightness of white/high APL images pretty significantly. And I wonder if there's any way to tweak that a bit, so it's not so noticeable like I can do on my CRT.

(APL = average picture level, btw.) 

I came from a crt I was very pleased with, but the red gun went out and I thought its finally time to go 1080p. I wouldn't jump unless you got something broke or you are going to a bigger screen....but Im guessing you have the 65inch like I did.
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