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post #61 of 113
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

Got to love Panasonic!

I still have in a bedroom an old Panasonic 42" plasma I bought back in 1998 and which still looks pretty good compared to many LCDs you see in Best Buy.

I personally like plasmas better than most LCDs, so good for Panasonic smile.gif

Hope these sell well.
I, also have a 42" Plasma from sometime in the late 90's. It does look better than most LCD sets even tho those old sets (at least mine) was not a 1080i or 1080p set. It cost $5K and had to be mail ordered since it would be a few years before plasmas would be seen in any local stores in the Bay Area.

...mike
post #62 of 113
I just noticed that the 50inch ST60 is only $100 more than I just paid for my 50 inch st50 2 months ago...

Shoulda waited...
post #63 of 113
Bleh... I'll take my Sharp LED-LCD any day over Plasma. Even with better efficiency, Plasma is so 5 years ago.
post #64 of 113
I agree with cnet review,that tv is best looking one and BestBuy stores iv'e seen,im serious about buying one this year
post #65 of 113
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

Not to derail the thread but you're an MU Fan correct? Or maybe an Illinois Fan? Just wondering since you're in St. Louis.

K-State fan here... and I totally agreed!
post #66 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Bleh... I'll take my Sharp LED-LCD any day over Plasma. Even with better efficiency, Plasma is so 5 years ago.
We know, we'd have to pry it from your dead cold fingers, wouldn't we? smile.gif
post #67 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Bleh... I'll take my Sharp LED-LCD any day over Plasma. Even with better efficiency, Plasma is so 5 years ago.

I've had 3 Sharp Aquos, bought a new tv last week, was considering the 70" Aquos since I already had the 60". Got a 65" ST60 instead, couldn't have made a better choice! 😎

To me, Sharp is so 5 years ago
post #68 of 113
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

We know, we'd have to pry it from your dead cold fingers, wouldn't we? smile.gif

No. If someone gave me a free 65" Plasma, I'd laugh at it for a few minutes and then take it. I could definitely live with one, I just don't actively choose archaic and obsolete technology.
post #69 of 113
You're hurting plasma's feelings you bully you.
post #70 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

No. If someone gave me a free 65" Plasma, I'd laugh at it for a few minutes and then take it. I could definitely live with one, I just don't actively choose archaic and obsolete technology.
I agree...can't envision using archaic edge-lit LCD, so last year. That said, I'll take "archaic and obsolete technology" that can one-up the competition in the predominate area that matters (picture quality) at a much lower price any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Edited by vinnie97 - 4/26/13 at 10:41pm
post #71 of 113
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I agree...can't envision using archaic edge-lit LCD, so last year. That said, I'll take "archaic and obsolete technology" that can one-up the competition in the predominate area that matters (picture quality) at a much lower price any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

It doesn't do any of those things, but if someone gave me any TV, even a CCFL LCD for free, I'd take it. Plasma included. I just wouldn't put my own hard-earned money down on one.
post #72 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

It doesn't do any of those things, but if someone gave me any TV, even a CCFL LCD for free, I'd take it. Plasma included. I just wouldn't put my own hard-earned money down on one.


You're either trolling, or an idiot, plasma technology produces superior images to any of the current LCD options on the market(Proven scientifically and by expert consensus). Only OLED can truly compete, and that will be a few years coming, so your "argument", if you can call it that, against plasma, is dumb and wrong.
post #73 of 113
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Originally Posted by Molot0k View Post

You're either trolling, or an idiot, plasma technology produces superior images to any of the current LCD options on the market(Proven scientifically and by expert consensus). Only OLED can truly compete, and that will be a few years coming, so your "argument", if you can call it that, against plasma, is dumb and wrong.

I'm not trolling. I just wouldn't buy an old, outdated plasma unless it was a really, really good deal. Same goes for CCFL LCD. LED-LCD is what's current now.
post #74 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

I'm not trolling. I just wouldn't buy an old, outdated plasma unless it was a really, really good deal. Same goes for CCFL LCD. LED-LCD is what's current now.

Just wont quit eh

Tell you what, look around, do some (current) research, the ST60 is a really really good deal like you would say. So will the VT60 and ZT60. If you don't agree with that (the value of those sets and PQ they provide - as tested), then I'm not sure you're in touch with reality
post #75 of 113
Obviously trolling.
post #76 of 113
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Originally Posted by Blu_One View Post

Just wont quit eh

Tell you what, look around, do some (current) research, the ST60 is a really really good deal like you would say. So will the VT60 and ZT60. If you don't agree with that (the value of those sets and PQ they provide - as tested), then I'm not sure you're in touch with reality

I'll take my Sharp LED-LCD any day. Even if the Plasma can rival the PQ of the Sharp, it's still a plasma. I'd much rather have LED-LCD.
post #77 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

I'll take my Sharp LED-LCD any day. Even if the Plasma can rival the PQ of the Sharp, it's still a plasma. I'd much rather have LED-LCD.

Are you like 12 yrs old or something? I only ask because you seem to be here, armed with incorrect information, with the intent of stirring up an argument.... which is pretty much the definition of a troll. Your sharp is a fine display, but almost no one will agree with you that the pq is anywhere near that of the 60 series plasmas Panasonic makes. Btw, both lcd and plasma are old technology, putting a different kind of light behind an lcd does not make it any better/newer a technology. Oled is another story altogether, the potential there is exciting. Its ok to have an opinion, even one that does not agree with anyone else, it just seems like you are trying to get a rise out of people here. Lol, it just occurred to me that you have succeeded.... nevermind...well done
post #78 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

I'm not trolling. I just wouldn't buy an old, outdated plasma unless it was a really, really good deal. Same goes for CCFL LCD. LED-LCD is what's current now.

There are only two reasons I can think of to maintain this position. And neither are flattering to you.

1. You have to have the newest technology in order to impress friends, neighbors or even yourself, to demonstrate that you are on the "cutting edge" of technology and "in the know". Regardless of ultimate performance quality considerations.
2. You fear owning something older could possibly result in eventually being stuck with a device that is no longer repairable. Which doesn't make much sense because very few people ever get their flat panels repaired, regardless of whether it is newer or older technology. It's almost always too expensive, relative to the price of a new panel. The cost/benefit ratio is rarely viable with either new or older technology.

Perhaps there is something I haven't thought of. I look forward to your clarification.
post #79 of 113
#3) He's a greenie? smile.gif
post #80 of 113
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

There are only two reasons I can think of to maintain this position. And neither are flattering to you.

1. You have to have the newest technology in order to impress friends, neighbors or even yourself, to demonstrate that you are on the "cutting edge" of technology and "in the know". Regardless of ultimate performance quality considerations.
2. You fear owning something older could possibly result in eventually being stuck with a device that is no longer repairable. Which doesn't make much sense because very few people ever get their flat panels repaired, regardless of whether it is newer or older technology. It's almost always too expensive, relative to the price of a new panel. The cost/benefit ratio is rarely viable with either new or older technology.

Perhaps there is something I haven't thought of. I look forward to your clarification.

Honestly, my friends probably don't know what the difference between LED and Plasma is, as most of them aren't tech saavy. The size of the TV alone does it for them. I chose the best technology and PQ out there for ME. Repairability wasn't an issue on my list.

I bought an LED-LCD because it is the best technology on the market today in terms of picture quality, cost, power consumption, thinness of set, etc, etc.
post #81 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Honestly, my friends probably don't know what the difference between LED and Plasma is, as most of them aren't tech saavy. The size of the TV alone does it for them. I chose the best technology and PQ out there for ME. Repairability wasn't an issue on my list.

I bought an LED-LCD because it is the best technology on the market today in terms of picture quality, cost, power consumption, thinness of set, etc, etc.

Yawn!!!!! rolleyes.gif
post #82 of 113
Ok BiggAW, you could've just said that in the first place. Each technology has its limitations, pros/cons, etc. You like LED-LCD better, which is fine. Just very odd of you to couch your disfavor of plasma in terms of it being "outdated" and "obsolete" and "archaic". Sure, plasma has it's own share of limitations or flaws like any other panel technology. But what specific flaws fall under the umbrella of such terms as, "outdated", "obsolete" or "archaic"?
post #83 of 113
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

Ok BiggAW, you could've just said that in the first place. Each technology has its limitations, pros/cons, etc. You like LED-LCD better, which is fine. Just very odd of you to couch your disfavor of plasma in terms of it being "outdated" and "obsolete" and "archaic". Sure, plasma has it's own share of limitations or flaws like any other panel technology. But what specific flaws fall under the umbrella of such terms as, "outdated", "obsolete" or "archaic"?

Plasma is basically a squished CRT in basic technology. We moved beyond that years ago with LCD screens. Yes, plasmas cleaned up their act in terms of power consumption, but that was around the same time the LCD enlisted LED technology to fix it's one disadvantage over the archaic plasma- black levels. That's why plasma died. It has nothing to offer that a thinner, cheaper, more modern LED-LCD can't do.
post #84 of 113
You like your edges to glow on your LCD, that's fine, I much prefer the uniformity of my plasma.. cool.gif

I won't list the other advantages here I don't want to confuse you at this point.
post #85 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

I bought an LED-LCD because it is the best technology on the market today in terms of picture quality, cost, power consumption, thinness of set, etc, etc.
Current model LED-LCD sets are also the worst in viewing angles and screen uniformity with problems like clouding and flashlighting on dark scenes, also motion resolution is poor.
The new Panasonic plasmas are also very thin and have superior viewing angles plus superior motion resolution.
post #86 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Plasma is basically a squished CRT in basic technology. We moved beyond that years ago with LCD screens. Yes, plasmas cleaned up their act in terms of power consumption, but that was around the same time the LCD enlisted LED technology to fix it's one disadvantage over the archaic plasma- black levels. That's why plasma died. It has nothing to offer that a thinner, cheaper, more modern LED-LCD can't do.
Obviously you haven't studied plasma technology in detail, its nothing like a CRT.
LCD technology is actually older and LED sets are still LCDs with different backlighting thats all.
LCD/LED sets have far more disadvantages than black levels, such as limited viewing angle and uniformity with flashlighting and clouding effects - thats all gotten worse with the edge-lit LED sets that were done for making the set thinner, but making viewing quality worse.
You would need to buy a super expensive full LED backlit set (like a top of the line Sony model) to get close to plasmas that cost a fraction of the cost.
The newest plasma displays offer many things LED/LCD sets don't including wide viewing angle, superior uniformity with no flashlighting and clouding in dark scenes, and superior motion resolution, plus far lower cost for the same size screen.
post #87 of 113
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

Current model LED-LCD sets are also the worst in viewing angles and screen uniformity with problems like clouding and flashlighting on dark scenes, also motion resolution is poor.
The new Panasonic plasmas are also very thin and have superior viewing angles plus superior motion resolution.

Such a valid solid point. With my new ST60 I can be almost side by side with it and the colors remain exactly the same.. With my previous 60" LED, and every other LCDs I've had, complete washout when viewing from the side, and these were apparently the LED/LCDs with the best viewing angle.. very weak
post #88 of 113
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Originally Posted by BiggAW View Post

Plasma is basically a squished CRT in basic technology. We moved beyond that years ago with LCD screens. Yes, plasmas cleaned up their act in terms of power consumption, but that was around the same time the LCD enlisted LED technology to fix it's one disadvantage over the archaic plasma- black levels. That's why plasma died. It has nothing to offer that a thinner, cheaper, more modern LED-LCD can't do.
Continually putting your foot in your mouth, the others have done a proper job of exhibiting this.
post #89 of 113
He's entitled to his opinion, where facts can be incidental.
post #90 of 113
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Continually putting your foot in your mouth, the others have done a proper job of exhibiting this.

I solidly maintain my position that I don't want an old Plasma, I want my LED-LCD. I want the best that money can buy. And right now, that's LED-LCD.
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