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post #631 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Fredrick89 View Post

With original remote: I click five times down, it almost instantly does what i want
With Logitech Harmony: I click five times, and it takes a few seconds to finish its "queue" of commands.

Its not really a problem, but it is very annoying.

I experimented with this a bit to see how it works for me. I tested with my movies, with which I use a list display and I have probably a hundred or more movies. If I hit down 5 times real quick, it'd lag a bit, but just by 1 or 2. If I tried it 10 times, it again lagged by 1 or 2, and would drop some also. Mine is not situated in a way that I can easily test with the original remote.

If I was trying to navigate the whole long list it with up and down it would be real annoying, but then again XBMC is just not that responsive anyways. But any menu where I would want to jump a few items real quick works fine for me.
post #632 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Keith Mickunas View Post

I experimented with this a bit to see how it works for me. I tested with my movies, with which I use a list display and I have probably a hundred or more movies. If I hit down 5 times real quick, it'd lag a bit, but just by 1 or 2. If I tried it 10 times, it again lagged by 1 or 2, and would drop some also. Mine is not situated in a way that I can easily test with the original remote.

If I was trying to navigate the whole long list it with up and down it would be real annoying, but then again XBMC is just not that responsive anyways. But any menu where I would want to jump a few items real quick works fine for me.

Thanks for trying it out, I'm gonna buy the Smart Control within a few days, then i'll come back here with my own impressions of this smile.gif
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Originally Posted by HarmonySylvain View Post

Hi Fredrick89,

Yes the Ultimate and Smart Control are the same in this regard. To confirm what eecyclone said, optimizations we made to these new remotes to ensure these delays did not occur when the remote is sending commands. It's worth mentioning, however, that many factors are not in out control, for example. the device receiving the commands may process them in a way that produces delays, or may buffer the commands as it process them.

Regards

Sylvain

Hi Sylvain, nice to hear that you had this in mind. As far as I was able to Google, the problem was one of two things (possibly a combination), the IR-transmitter on the remote was simply too slow, unable to send a new command every few 100ms. Or the IR-codes that was sent actually had a "pause" after the command, before ending. This would mean the remote couldnt send out a new code immediatly.

The device recieving the commands would probably process them in the same way, regardless of original or Harmony remote. Meaning if this was the problem, I'd have it with the original aswell.
post #633 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Keith Mickunas View Post

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Originally Posted by roadking00 View Post

So the simple smart remote is completely RF only and IR capable via the hub only.....does the ultimate LCD screen remote have IR capability directly from the remote??
Yes the Ultimate has IR, and it can learn IR also.
So with the smart system, does the hub learn ir or are you just out of luck?
post #634 of 1835
Well, I just finished reading the above 633 posts and still have some questions (including the one above). Been using and recommending Harmony for years and am considering replacing my current, rather ratty looking remotes with the Smart Control. I'll post my Q's one at a time to keep it simple.

My first concern is the rather inexplicable (IMHO) decision to go with Silverlight. As a software dev, this would probably be my last choice for an authoring solution, short of Flash. Is this permanent? Or was it a stop gap decision? I have no doubt the day will come when I will wake up and Silverlight will no longer be supported on my browser/platform.
Edited by s.bradford - 8/27/13 at 9:14am
post #635 of 1835
Hi, me again...

What is the range of the hub? I am considering locating it in an open partition between upstairs and downstairs (two story vaulted ceiling), with the main unit pointing at the downstairs main media center (800 sq. ft., about 25 feet away), and a blaster run from it into the upstairs master bedroom. How is the vertical dispersion of the main units IR (the path from it to the media center would be about 25-30 ft., at about a 20° downward angle.

Am I out of my mind trying to control a main and bedroom system with one hub this way? What is the maximum number of devices?
post #636 of 1835
Still me...

I use both Nexus 4, Nexus 7, and iPod and may have any one with me at any given moment. Can multiple mobile devices control the hub simultaneously?

Also, I read that the customizability of the soft remote app on these devices is extremely limited. Is that still the case? Has it been getting better?
post #637 of 1835
Still me again,

It is not clear to me how programmable the buttons on the hard button remote (Smart Control) are. With my current Harmony units, I can set any button on the remote to whatever I want. Is that still the case with this unit?

Thanks!
post #638 of 1835
Last one for now,

Again, in the context of the Smart Control, I know there is a limit on the number of activities for the hard button remote (6), but is there a limit on the soft remote? If so, what is it?
post #639 of 1835
Hi sbradford

Let's go through your questions one by one --
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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

Well, I just finished reading the above 633 posts and still have some questions (including the one above). Been using and recommending Harmony for years and am considering replacing my current, rather ratty looking remotes with the Smart Control. I'll post my Q's one at a time to keep it simple.

My first concern is the rather inexplicable (IMHO) decision to go with Silverlight. As a software dev, this would probably be my last choice for an authoring solution, short of Flash. Is this permanent? Or was it a stop gap decision? I have no doubt the day will come when I will wake up and Silverlight will no longer be supported on my browser/platform.

The Harmony Smart Control allows setup using the Harmony app from any compatible mobile phone or tablet, meaning it's possible to avoid using Silverlight. Additional Activity tweaking and customizing is also possible using the Harmony app, and we're working on giving the app all of MyHarmony's features in the near future.
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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

Hi, me again...

What is the range of the hub? I am considering locating it in an open partition between upstairs and downstairs (two story vaulted ceiling), with the main unit pointing at the downstairs main media center (800 sq. ft., about 25 feet away), and a blaster run from it into the upstairs master bedroom. How is the vertical dispersion of the main units IR (the path from it to the media center would be about 25-30 ft., at about a 20° downward angle.

Am I out of my mind trying to control a main and bedroom system with one hub this way? What is the maximum number of devices?

This sounds achievable, and while the Harmony hub and mini blasters fire a stronger IR signal than a batter operated remote, allowing thew signal to bounce off walls to reach your devices, the closer or more line of sight there is between the hub/blaster and your devices the better. You may have to mount your hub upside down and experiment a fair bit to find an angle or position from which the hub is able to control your system downstairs, after which you could focus on the upstairs system. Would it be possible to reverse your setup, and have the hub placed upstairs with a mini blaster running down to your open space between the two floors? Extension cables have been successfully used with the IR mini blasters as well.

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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

Still me...

I use both Nexus 4, Nexus 7, and iPod and may have any one with me at any given moment. Can multiple mobile devices control the hub simultaneously?

Also, I read that the customizability of the soft remote app on these devices is extremely limited. Is that still the case? Has it been getting better?

Multiple mobile devices can indeed control the hub simultaneously, and the hub will keep the Smart Control remote and apps in sync.
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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

Still me again,

It is not clear to me how programmable the buttons on the hard button remote (Smart Control) are. With my current Harmony units, I can set any button on the remote to whatever I want. Is that still the case with this unit?

Thanks!

Yes, the buttons on the remote can be customized, though only within Activities as the remote does not offer a 'device mode'.
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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

Last one for now,

Again, in the context of the Smart Control, I know there is a limit on the number of activities for the hard button remote (6), but is there a limit on the soft remote? If so, what is it?

There is no limit to Activities on the Harmony App!

Regards

Sylvain
post #640 of 1835
Thanks Sylvain,

I can point my existing Harmony through the open partition and control the downstairs system so I guess this won't be an issue.

I have needed to "learn" a number of commands to set up my current harmonies, will the hub do that with the Smart Control?

I have written an http to Apple Event bridge to communicate with my home automation server (a mac) from Android. Is it possible to send http requests using the Smart Control?

Oh... and is there a limit on the number of devices?
Edited by s.bradford - 8/27/13 at 10:17am
post #641 of 1835
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

So with the smart system, does the hub learn ir or are you just out of luck?

Yes, the hub can be used to learn IR.

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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

Thanks Sylvain,

I can point my existing Harmony through the open partition and control the downstairs system so I guess this won't be an issue.

I have needed to "learn" a number of commands to set up my current harmonies, will the hub do that with the Smart Control?

I have written an http to Apple Event bridge to communicate with my home automation server (a mac) from Android. Is it possible to send http requests using the Smart Control?
Yes you can learn with the hub, also when you import your existing project those commands will hopefully come through ok.

There is no way currently to do http requests.
post #642 of 1835
Thanks Keith!

Any limit on the number of devices (a/v components used in activities)?

Does the soft remote app have any remote control facility for iTunes and/or other media server protocols?
post #643 of 1835
From the firmware v3.3.34 update:

* Implemented the ability to more easily clean fingerprints from your remote by temporarily locking screen and buttons

That in itself is worth the price of admission biggrin.gif Thank you Harmony programmers.

/the ability to change the screen background is nifty too
post #644 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Cat Scratch View Post

From the firmware v3.3.34 update:

* Implemented the ability to more easily clean fingerprints from your remote by temporarily locking screen and buttons

That in itself is worth the price of admission biggrin.gif Thank you Harmony programmers.

/the ability to change the screen background is nifty too

Thanks for the feedback Cat Scratch - I was about to announce this release and you beat me to it smile.gif

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[post edited to include
- the additional set of gestures available for Harmony Ultimate & Touch using the new UI
- sequences now allow up to 25 commands or delays instead of 10.]


Hi everyone smile.gif

As mentioned, a new Harmony release has recently gone live, containing multiple improvements for the Ultimate and MyHarmony products. The full release notes history can be found here.

The details of today's release are :

Harmony Ultimate, Harmony Smart Control, Harmony Touch and Harmony Hub Firmware (v3.3.34)

Harmony Touch
* Improved the on remote user interface to match that of Harmony Ultimate
* Implemented the ability to leave devices on when switching between Activities
* Implemented an upgrade option to attach a Harmony Ultimate Hub (link) to a Harmony Touch account

Harmony Ultimate and Harmony Touch
* Implemented a sleep timer that allows you to turn off an Activity after a defined period of time
* Implemented the ability to upload custom images for use as your remote background
* Implemented user control over the brightness of the physical button backlighting
* Implemented the ability to assign sequences (macros) to gesture actions
* Implemented the ability to more easily clean fingerprints from your remote by temporarily locking screen and buttons
* Fixed an issue where delays entered in-between sequences may not have been obeyed
* Fixed general bugs and stability improvements
* Fixed an issue where Harmony Ultimate and Harmony Touch may not correctly switch input for multi-method devices
* Extending our gesture control from 5 to 11 actions including swipe and hold, plus tap, double tap and long press


MyHarmony.com (v13.5)
* Sequences now allow up to 25 commands or delays instead of 10
* Implemented support for the Harmony Ultimate Hub product
* Implemented Watch Apple TV and Watch Roku specific Activities with optimized button mappings and icons
* Implemented advanced hub and IR port assignments for the Harmony Smart Control
* Implemented the ability to rename your Harmony Ultimate Hub so it's more easily identified in the Harmony App
* Improved device adding by removing confirmation when perfect device matches are detected
* Improved the Activity creation wizard for users with many devices. Suggested devices are now at the front of the list.
* Improved some Silverlight compatibility issues for newer operating systems (Silverlight update requires Mac restart)
* Fixed general bugs and stability improvements, particularly around account sign in


We encourage you to post your thoughts, comments and experiences on this new release - as usual we're all ears and happy to make note of any additional improvements you may want to see, as well as general feedback on your experience with these new features.

Thanks

Sylvain
Edited by HarmonySylvain - 8/29/13 at 10:59am
post #645 of 1835
One question how does one temparly lock the screen and buttons$
post #646 of 1835
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Originally Posted by tomcrown1 View Post

One question how does one temparly lock the screen and buttons$
On the menu on the remote touchscreen select Settings->Remote->Remote Lock.

It's nice to be able to clean this easily now. I've updated the faq for this.
Edited by Keith Mickunas - 8/27/13 at 5:02pm
post #647 of 1835
Thanks
One more question I do not see in my harmony how to download s custom background and can one use a photo slide show like harmony one had on its screen savior
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Originally Posted by Keith Mickunas View Post

On the menu on the remote touchscreen select Settings->Remote->Remote Lock.

It's nice to be able to clean this easily now. I've updated the faq for this.
post #648 of 1835
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Originally Posted by eecyclone View Post

Yes, the ultimate really tracks your finger like a touch-pad. It can only do this in wii mode however as with the Wii you must move a curser on the screen.

From the logitech website:
So with that, all you need to do is find software for windows that would let you use a wiimote for curser control. A google search gave me "Touchmote" as a possible option for windows users. I believe remote buddy would be a solution on os x. Again, I haven't tried this yet so can't guarantee that it would work (I have been working on other projects lately). The hardest part is probably pairing the harmony ultimate to the computer.

Edit: I might have some time to try this out next week, though I need to track down a windows computer and put windows 8 on it first.

Has anyone been successful with this idea? It would be a great workaround for light mouse duty that (to me) might be more intuitive than a numpad approach.

Touchscreen mouse function appears to be included on the 'Unicorn' Harmony 800 QWERTY. Sylvain - Any plans to include this on the Ultimate? Can I sign a petition to add it?? smile.gif And a touchscreen keyboard for that matter...
post #649 of 1835
I just came back from best buy with a new Smart Control system and it is going back. This has been an incredibly frustrating experience for me, and I have never required tech support for any of my three previous Harmony remotes thus far... not the case with this.

First of all, the range and dispersion of the main unit is not all that great. It wouldn't work from 25 feet away unless it was aimed directly to the components, on both angle and direction. IMHO, it ain't all that much better than even the 500 series emitters. It only has multiple emitters in front and top. I can locate it at the main system and run an emitter to the second room, and would be happy to do so, but read on to see that the number of devices needed is not supported with the Smart Control (although it could, if Logitech didn't require you to buy a $250 touchsceen remote you don't want, in addition to the hub).

My device initially configured itself as an ultimate hub, which allowed no ability to configure buttons on the Smart Remote. I tried everything to get it to recognize itself as a smart remote but no dice. After a call to support, I had no choice but to set it up all over again with a new account (and email address). Once I did this, it did discover that it was a smart control and not an ultimate hub. But that put an eight device limit on the hub, which is clearly an arbitrary limit, which did not exist when it "thought" it was an ultimate hub. Eight devices is not enough, and the fact that this is a software imposed limit on hardware that is clearly capable of more devices, simply because you bought the Smart Control rather than the ultimate model sucks! Little wonder logitech reps here have avoided multiple posts asking the limit on number of devices.

I won't bother to upload screen shots of cut off buttons, and what appears to be 60% of the screen real estate of a Nexus 7 gone unused. Simply dreadful. Bottom line... this offers me nothing over the two Harmony remotes that I currently use. And contrary to Sylvain's remarks that this can be set up without SilverLight, if you have a secured network, that is simply not the case

The arbitrary limit on the number of devices is the real killer here, and forces me to return this to best buy and go with iTach hardware and real soft remotes. I can certainly understand that this working great for a lot of folks, and appreciate the answers you have given me... but this is not for me.
post #650 of 1835
An 8 device limit is pretty weak!

Just noticed you're from Pollock Pines -- that Best Buy must have been quite a drive to get to!

Also, just my opinion but don't go to a soft remote -- iRule and Roomie still can't do any sort of power state tracking and not having hard buttons may begin to annoy you after a while.
Edited by Rehan - 8/27/13 at 11:27pm
post #651 of 1835
I just heard about the ultimate hub product, but I can't find it anywhere. Even Logitech's site says its "pre order". I had heard, even via this thread that it was already available in canada?

I'm interested in hearing what people think about it so far? Is it worth the $100?

I currently have a Harmony 650, and I loathe the day when I have to launch up myharmony. Last time I used it, it was the slowest, most buggy pile of... well you get the picture. I also run linux, so its a ROYAL pain to set up. It also seems to be rather easy to confuse. One time I had my 650 set up, but it would constantly send the wrong commands and then crash+reboot. I had to completely wipe the remote, and reprogram it from scratch.
post #652 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Tomasu View Post

I just heard about the ultimate hub product, but I can't find it anywhere. Even Logitech's site says its "pre order". I had heard, even via this thread that it was already available in canada?

I'm interested in hearing what people think about it so far? Is it worth the $100?

I currently have a Harmony 650, and I loathe the day when I have to launch up myharmony. Last time I used it, it was the slowest, most buggy pile of... well you get the picture. I also run linux, so its a ROYAL pain to set up. It also seems to be rather easy to confuse. One time I had my 650 set up, but it would constantly send the wrong commands and then crash+reboot. I had to completely wipe the remote, and reprogram it from scratch.

I just gave myharmony another try after many many months (probably over a year) and I have to say, it is a lot better. Only thing that bugged me was that you still can't reorder the activities on the lcd, and you can't assign specific activities to the hard activity buttons. I had to go back to the 7.7 software to get the hard activity buttons working.

Still very interested in the ultimate hub though.
post #653 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Rehan View Post

An 8 device limit is pretty weak!

Just noticed you're from Pollock Pines -- that Best Buy must have been quite a drive to get to!

Also, just my opinion but don't go to a soft remote -- iRule and Roomie still can't do any sort of power state tracking and not having hard buttons may begin to annoy you after a while.

What really chaps my hide is the concept that if you just buy the hub for $99 there's no limit, pay $30 more to get the smart remote and you're limited to 8 devices. I really wanted to like this device. I could put up with the spotty range and high school science project quality software, but I need at least 10 devices. And the fact that this is an artificially imposed limit smacks of greed.

As for not having hard buttons, I have a dozen remotes with them. I don't channel surf so pretty much the only time I really would miss them is with the Tivo, where it requires a half dozen button presses every 5-8 minutes to skip through all the commercials. For this I can use my existing Harmony or the Tivo remote.

The advantages of real soft remotes are no artificial limits, IP commands (which more and more gear is going to) that give me the ability to control my HAS, higher quality and more capable hardware. Power states aren't all that important to me with discrete on/off commands (which were broken in the hub BTW, and seemed no longer assignable using myharmony.com). Conditionals will eventually come to iRule, which will make it more powerful.

I was glad to hear logitech is keeping harmony. I have always been a big fan, and recommend them all the time. I hope they learn to stop making decisions like these that cripple functionality, and send people like me running to something else.
Edited by s.bradford - 8/28/13 at 7:03am
post #654 of 1835
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Originally Posted by tomcrown1 View Post

Thanks
One more question I do not see in my harmony how to download s custom background and can one use a photo slide show like harmony one had on its screen savior
.

Custom background are configured in your MyHarmony account, and once synced become available for selection from your remote's Settings --> Remote --> Background menu, along with the default backgrounds.

Regards,

Sylvain
post #655 of 1835
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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

And contrary to Sylvain's remarks that this can be set up without SilverLight, if you have a secured network, that is simply not the case

S.bradford, what do you mean exactly by 'secured network'? We support multiple security types when connecting your hub to your Wi-Fi network. One typical router feature may prevent your hub and mobile phone from seeing each other. Once adjusted, there should be no impediments to using the Harmony app to setup your Smart Control.

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Originally Posted by s.bradford View Post

The arbitrary limit on the number of devices is the real killer here, and forces me to return this to best buy and go with iTach hardware and real soft remotes. I can certainly understand that this working great for a lot of folks, and appreciate the answers you have given me... but this is not for me.

The device limit should be the same between the Smart Control and Ultimate Hub products - there should be no difference between the two. We're taking a look at this.


Regarding the range issues you have been getting - were you trying to reach your system from the open space between your two floors? In addition to its front, the hub does have an IR firing module on each of its sides, one in the center, and one in the back. Have you tried various different hub positions to optimize how the IR signals may reach your devices?

Regards

Sylvain
post #656 of 1835
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Originally Posted by HarmonySylvain View Post

S.bradford, what do you mean exactly by 'secured network'?

My experience was that the only way to get the hub onto the net was to access it via USB through the browser/silverlight plugin.
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The device limit should be the same between the Smart Control and Ultimate Hub products - there should be no difference between the two. We're taking a look at this.

Hmmm... Well that would mean the hub is only capable of supporting 8 devices. But this is a quote from the logitech website Harmony Ultimate page...

"Power only Harmony can provide
Harmony Ultimate can control up to 15 devices and is compatible with over 225,000 home theater devices. And unique to Harmony is our patented Smart State technology, which remembers your devices’ power and input settings and automatically adjusts them based on what you want to do."

But in looking at the box of the Smart Control, it does state "Control up to 8 devices with your smartphone or simple remote". I did in fact hit that limit.
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Regarding the range issues you have been getting - were you trying to reach your system from the open space between your two floors? In addition to its front, the hub does have an IR firing module on each of its sides, one in the center, and one in the back. Have you tried various different hub positions to optimize how the IR signals may reach your devices?

Using a camera, I was able to discover the location of all the emitters. There are some on top as well. Yes, I tried every conceivable position, but at the distance at hand, the horizontal dispersion was such that the unit had to specifically aimed at the components at the downward angle involved (about 20°). Simply no convenient way to mount it that way.

But that certainly wasn't a deal breaker. I put the unit downstairs, and have dedicated CAT5 nearby to wire up a blaster to the upstairs. As I said, the killer is the eight device limit on the hub, which IMHO is just short of adequate for a serious home theatre, let alone trying to control two systems. I have separates, two disk players, two DVR's, Xbox, Slingbox and Google TV. Add the TV and that is 10 (and I want to add an Apple TV later this year when Mavericks ships).
post #657 of 1835
I just purchased a harmony ultimate, upgrading fron a harmony one. I have my components in a cabinet with 4 separate compartments, so I figured I would need extra blasters. I bought 2 extra directly from logitech.

They seem as well to have 2.5 mm mono connectors.

I am looking for a splitter so that I can split each output on the hub. Anyone know where i can get a mono splitter for a 2.5 mm mono connector? I tried 2 radio shacks, and amazon and cant seem to find what I need.

Will coverting to 3.5 mm be easier? Do I need to use only MONO, since they seem to be much harder to find. Anyone know exactly what connectors I need to convert my 2 connectors to 4? (and where to get them?)

Thanks.
post #658 of 1835
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Originally Posted by Tachy View Post

I just purchased a harmony ultimate, upgrading fron a harmony one. I have my components in a cabinet with 4 separate compartments, so I figured I would need extra blasters. I bought 2 extra directly from logitech.



They seem as well to have 2.5 mm mono connectors.

I am looking for a splitter so that I can split each output on the hub. Anyone know where i can get a mono splitter for a 2.5 mm mono connector? I tried 2 radio shacks, and amazon and cant seem to find what I need.

Will coverting to 3.5 mm be easier? Do I need to use only MONO, since they seem to be much harder to find. Anyone know exactly what connectors I need to convert my 2 connectors to 4? (and where to get them?)

Thanks.

Post 453 has the info that you are looking for regarding the mini blaster connectors. They can be mono or stereo both work.
post #659 of 1835
Just a quick note to call out two things that weren't in the initial release notes that were posted:

- An additional set of gestures is available for Harmony Ultimate & Touch using the new UI
- Sequences now allow up to 25 commands or delays instead of 10.

Enjoy!
post #660 of 1835
Anyone using the Ultimate with the Insteon IRLinc 2411r to convert IR to Insteon?

I successfully used the Harmony 1100 with my Insteon system. But after transferring to the Ultimate, the IRLinc will only respond to IR commands from the Ultimate remote. Any setting that sends the signals from the Miniblasters or the Hub are not recognized.

I've even relearned all the IR codes using the original IRLinc remote.

Any else experience this behavior either with IRLinc or any other IR signal? Very strange.
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