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post #961 of 1822
What is meant by "Improved the Xbox 360 and PS3 devices -- these may now be selected as channel changing devices within Activities".

will the Harmony Ultimate work with the PS4?
post #962 of 1822
How many activities does the smart control remote have, looks like a good solution if my customer has a bunch of smart phones.

Do you find that the hub and smart phone are enough, and you dont use the smart control remote......

KG
post #963 of 1822
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Originally Posted by kgveteran View Post

Do you find that the hub and smart phone are enough, and you dont use the smart control remote......

No. I would say precisely the opposite wink.gif
post #964 of 1822
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

No. I would say precisely the opposite wink.gif

Go on ....... Do tell, explain if you would. You use the remote more than your smart phone ?
Edited by kgveteran - 11/6/13 at 11:20am
post #965 of 1822
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Originally Posted by insync44 View Post

What is meant by "Improved the Xbox 360 and PS3 devices -- these may now be selected as channel changing devices within Activities".

will the Harmony Ultimate work with the PS4?

Until now, those running their cable TV feeds through their game consoles were unable to select these consoles as the channel changing devices (ie. the device that receives and processes the Channel Up, Channel Down and numeric commands).

This behavior has now been corrected, but the game console will need to be deleted and re-added to accounts for this change to be active.
post #966 of 1822
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Originally Posted by kgveteran View Post

You use the remote more than your smart phone ?

Correct smile.gif

Reason is that on the phone you have to diddle around too much (find the app, start it, choose the activity, do the action, etc.) -- whereas on the remote you just press a button...
post #967 of 1822
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Reason is that on the phone you have to diddle around too much (find the app, start it, choose the activity, do the action, etc.) -- whereas on the remote you just press a button...

How many activities can that smart control remote do ? Do you like the remote ? I understand the diddling, i use my iphone with an apple router to stream music....
post #968 of 1822
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Originally Posted by kgveteran View Post

How many activities can that smart control remote do ? Do you like the remote ? I understand the diddling, i use my iphone with an apple router to stream music....
IIRC, it's 8.

I don't understand the appeal of the smart control for non phone-centric users. Sure it's ok for quick volume and channel changes, but most everything else is going to require your phone since the remote has no soft buttons for additional functions. If I were going to settle for a basic hard button remote and be stuck with a phone for the rest, I'd go with iRule plus a cheap universal. That gives you far more functionality over all.

In any case, Smart Control is designed for those who primarily use a smart phone remote and occasionally need a simple hard button remote for backup. It's not intended to be your main remote, although many are apparently using it that way. If you are using it that way, then you can do essentially the same thing with a cheap universal from walmart (not considering RF).
Edited by mdavej - 11/7/13 at 1:03pm
post #969 of 1822
The smart control has 6 activities. Although I have the app on both my smart phone and my iPad, I use the smart remote most of the time for the reasons stated above. I love it. It has plenty of functionality, as different commands can be mapped to the buttons in each activity. But take a look at a close-up photo of the unit, and you will se that it has most of the functions that you use regularly. It will even allow you to set-up macros and assign them to a button. I have one that drills through several steps in my DirecTV menu to turn Dolby on or off. It's about 15 or 16 pushes on my DirecTV remote, but on the Smart Control, it's just one push.
post #970 of 1822
^

+1
post #971 of 1822
I agree. Its one nifty piece of equipment and probably the best buy, at the price. Compared to my 900 its fast, turns on immediately, has no annoying lag, can handle sequences and has bluetooth functionality that will be useful with the new PS4. The 900 becomes a paperweight with the PS4 unless Logitech introduces a new adapter, at almost the cost of the Smart.
The only caveats I find is that the Smart Remote has no devices and, in the dark, I keep pressing the wrong button. At night I use my Nexus Tablet.
post #972 of 1822
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post

The smart control has 6 activities. Although I have the app on both my smart phone and my iPad, I use the smart remote most of the time for the reasons stated above. I love it. It has plenty of functionality, as different commands can be mapped to the buttons in each activity. But take a look at a close-up photo of the unit, and you will se that it has most of the functions that you use regularly. It will even allow you to set-up macros and assign them to a button. I have one that drills through several steps in my DirecTV menu to turn Dolby on or off. It's about 15 or 16 pushes on my DirecTV remote, but on the Smart Control, it's just one push.
My point is you can do all of that and more with a $10-$20 remote from walmart.
post #973 of 1822
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Originally Posted by insync44 View Post

I agree. Its one nifty piece of equipment and probably the best buy, at the price. Compared to my 900 its fast, turns on immediately, has no annoying lag, can handle sequences and has bluetooth functionality that will be useful with the new PS4. The 900 becomes a paperweight with the PS4 unless Logitech introduces a new adapter, at almost the cost of the Smart.
The only caveats I find is that the Smart Remote has no devices and, in the dark, I keep pressing the wrong button. At night I use my Nexus Tablet.

Yes, it has no devices, but you can assign commands from any device to any button on the unit, and they can be different commands per activity. Each button can be assigned two commands by using a long or short press. A lot of functionality for such a small, lightweight and sleek piece of hardware. And, you still have the option of using your phone or pad if that's your preference. Add to that, the ability to control components inside a closed cabinet, with no direct line of sight to the remote. Can a $20 remote from Wal-Mart REALLY do all that?
post #974 of 1822
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

My point is you can do all of that and more with a $10-$20 remote from walmart.

If you really believe that, then be my guest, go ahead and buy the one from Walmart.
post #975 of 1822
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

If you really believe that, then be my guest, go ahead and buy the one from Walmart.
I do believe it because I've been doing just that for at least 10 years. My RCA RCRP05BR (I actually paid $1.97 at Walgreens, not walmart) does unlimited activities, has unlimited sequences, device mode for unlimited devices, 5 functions per button per device (short press, long press, double press, shifted and double shifted), full re-definable keyboard, drag and drop graphical programming interface like Harmony, the whole nine yards. That's why I keep scratching my head when everybody raves over this very ordinary remote. I guess nobody realizes what else is out there and has been around for years.
post #976 of 1822
Hey all,
Just got my Harmony Ultimate with Hub, but before I open it I wanted to find out if I should keep it or return it. I bought the remote because my equipment is in a closet. However, one item is not in the closet and needs to be controlled via RF, NOT IR, and that's my Da-Lite electric screen. It's currently controlled via a physical cable running into a Crestron remote receiver which is triggered by a Crestron RF remote. So, I don't think I can make the Harmony simply learn the commands. I have installed an RF transmitter/receiver into the screen, but now I wonder if the Harmony will be able to control the screen at all.

My question is this, does anyone know if the Harmony Ultimate can control an RF device like my screen?

Thank you,
post #977 of 1822
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Originally Posted by MightyGeekMan View Post

My question is this, does anyone know if the Harmony Ultimate can control an RF device like my screen?
It cannot. But there's no point in returning it because no universal remote on the planet (except for one) can control any 3rd party RF device. You need some sort of IR interface for your screen, then you'll be in business.

Why didn't you just stick with Crestron?
Edited by mdavej - 11/8/13 at 3:09pm
post #978 of 1822
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

It will not. But there's no point in returning it because no universal remote on the planet (except for one) can control any 3rd party RF device. You need some sort of IR interface for your screen, then you'll be in business.

Why didn't you just stick with Crestron?

The Crestron system is absolutely horrible for my particular use and very expensive to update. Especially since I am constantly swapping components in and out of my system. I don't know if there is an IR control for this screen (it's over 8 years old and is no longer made). Is there really no way to learn the RF controls?

Separately, if I can somehow get the manufacturers IR trigger, how would the Harmony learn the controls if it's not in the Harmony database? I don't have any IR remote control for the Harmony to 'learn' from.

Thanks.
post #979 of 1822
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Originally Posted by MightyGeekMan View Post

Separately, if I can somehow get the manufacturers IR trigger, how would the Harmony learn the controls if it's not in the Harmony database? I don't have any IR remote control for the Harmony to 'learn' from.

Da-Lite screens use RECS80 device 0. (The UEI executor is 0045)
Down: function number 2-- 0000 006D 0000 000C 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 06AE
Up: function number 1-- 0000 006D 0000 000C 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 011A 0006 06AE
Stop: function number 3-- 0000 006D 0000 000C 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 06AE

Logitech will typically enter these Pronto Hex for a user. If not, use a JP1 cable to program a JP1 remote and teach the Harmony. About $20.
post #980 of 1822
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Originally Posted by 3FingeredGlove View Post

Da-Lite screens use RECS80 device 0. (The UEI executor is 0045)
Down: function number 2-- 0000 006D 0000 000C 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 06AE
Up: function number 1-- 0000 006D 0000 000C 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 011A 0006 06AE
Stop: function number 3-- 0000 006D 0000 000C 0006 011A 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 00BA 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 06AE

Logitech will typically enter these Pronto Hex for a user. If not, use a JP1 cable to program a JP1 remote and teach the Harmony. About $20.

3FingeredGlove
I am not sure I follow this, so forgive my ignorance, but are you saying that I can program the Harmony Ultimate to control my screen with RF using these codes? If that's true, then you are a lifesaver! Please, please, please give me step-by-step instructions on how this works. I've never used a Harmony product so I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

Thank you!!!
post #981 of 1822
No, I replied to your query about using IR with Da-Lite and how to make the Harmony send that IR signal. Of course I don't know if your particular screen already has a IR control module built in. I believe that some screens can respond to both RF and IR.
post #982 of 1822
Argh. So basically, I need to get the IR controller for my screen and THEN I have a chance of getting the Harmony to work with it? That's annoying as hell, but at least I now what to do now. Guess I'll have to contact Da-Lite on Tuesday and find out the part I need and find some way to order it.

Thanks for your help, it's greatly appreciated.
post #983 of 1822
Definitely interested in this remote. I wanted to know if the smart control provides native support for XBMC or would I need additional hardware?
post #984 of 1822
XBMC is not a device, so there are no codes per se. Just use the codes for your IR receiver (additional hardware), usually MCE or Ortek. Those work fine with any universal remote and XBMC.
post #985 of 1822
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I do believe it because I've been doing just that for at least 10 years. My RCA RCRP05BR (I actually paid $1.97 at Walgreens, not walmart) does unlimited activities, has unlimited sequences, device mode for unlimited devices, 5 functions per button per device (short press, long press, double press, shifted and double shifted), full re-definable keyboard, drag and drop graphical programming interface like Harmony, the whole nine yards. That's why I keep scratching my head when everybody raves over this very ordinary remote. I guess nobody realizes what else is out there and has been around for years.

I did a little research, and I must say that it looks like an amazing device and an amazing value. I also looked at customer reviews and people seem really happy. I love my Smart Remote and, at this point, I wouldn't consider going back, but knowing what I know now, I definitely would have considered the RCA. My initial attraction to the Harmony was that I was looking for something with an iPad app, but now I find that I rarely use my iPad or phone for control.
post #986 of 1822
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I guess nobody realizes what else is out there and has been around for years.

Or they prefer/need:

-to access equipment that is enclosed
-to control their Hue lights
-not to worry about whether the remote is pointing at anything
-the convenience of tweaking parameters via computer
-the convenience of having all commands available via iOS in addition to the handheld remote
post #987 of 1822
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Originally Posted by hltr View Post

Or they prefer/need:

-to access equipment that is enclosed
-to control their Hue lights
-not to worry about whether the remote is pointing at anything
-the convenience of tweaking parameters via computer
-the convenience of having all commands available via iOS in addition to the handheld remote
You're still missing my point. I already said if you want iOS, RF, you need to add iRule and RF to the cheap remote.

The RCA is programmable via computer.

I already stipulated that if you want an iOS remote plus a hard button remote for backup, Smart Control a great solution. But many have posted that they use the Smart Control "exclusively". My point is for those folks, a cheap remote (in conjunction with an RF system if you need that) is just as good if not better.
post #988 of 1822
Sorry I missed this thread before I started a new one.

My question is with regards to the Harmony IR "blasters". I want to replace my Nevo C3 remote and Nevo Rex-433 IR extender with the Harmony Ultimate / Hub. I currently have 3 Nevo IR "emitters" taped to the front of my cable box, BR player, and AV receiver. I notice the Harmony Ultimate hub only has 2 IR "blasters". I'm not sure if this would be a suitable replacement.

The cable box, BR player, and AV receiver are on separate shelves so I don't see how 2 IR blasters could replace 3 IR "emitters". Any ideas?
post #989 of 1822
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Originally Posted by ArmCapp View Post

Sorry I missed this thread before I started a new one.

My question is with regards to the Harmony IR "blasters". I want to replace my Nevo C3 remote and Nevo Rex-433 IR extender with the Harmony Ultimate / Hub. I currently have 3 Nevo IR "emitters" taped to the front of my cable box, BR player, and AV receiver. I notice the Harmony Ultimate hub only has 2 IR "blasters". I'm not sure if this would be a suitable replacement.

The cable box, BR player, and AV receiver are on separate shelves so I don't see how 2 IR blasters could replace 3 IR "emitters". Any ideas?

From what I have heard, even if your components are on separate shelves, as long as they are in the same cabinet, the IR from the hab will reach all the components, as the signal bounces all around the inside of the cabinet. My components are in several separate cabinets in an entertainment center, but all have glass doors, so I positioned my hub directly across the room, and it works great.
post #990 of 1822
I sent off a request to Logitech support but figured I'd post here in case anyone else has seen this happen...

I picked up my Ultimate off the cradle and the touchscreen was moving from screen to screen as if ghostly fingers were touching buttons. It wouldn't listen to my actual physical touches but kept flashing through screens.

I tried unplugging the hub and the remote stopped displaying the "unable to communicate with hub" screen. When I plugged the hub back in it resumed it's mad, possessed, behavior.

Next I tried rebooting the remote by holding down the Off button but the problem began again.

I'm suspecting something has gone wrong in the touch screen hardware but I'm hoping there is some sort of reset or recalibration procedure which might do the trick.

Anyone seen this happen?
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