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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post But again, if someone has a earning of $300m a year, is not expected to buy a $15 HDMI cable.

Why not?

post #122 of 157
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Why not?

Ostensibility - for those who can afford...
post #123 of 157
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Ostensibility - for those who can afford...
Perhaps but that is unfortunate. I guess that extends to other realms as my wife has questioned why I tend to spend more than she would on bath/kitchen fixtures, cars and, of course, audio equipment. Some of it is because I can but, usually, she comes to enjoy my choices. That is not to say that they necessary, much as for >$15 HDMI cables.
post #124 of 157
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Yes, even a good SPL meter and a tape measure plus a laser pointer to angle the speakers properly, usually sound better than Audyssey full-auto. Audyssey settings are far too aggresive in averaging everything. Even YPAO, MCACC, have the option for ten EQ not to "touch" the main speakers. My personal prefernce are ARC and Advanced MCACC done in semi-auto mode and then tweaked further based on the readings on my spectrum analyzer.

What I have never understood about the Audyssey bashing- and make no mistake, that's what much (not all) of this usually is- is that cannot much of this simply be resolved with before and after measurement?

Of course it can, and the overwhelming majority that I've seen shows that Audyssey XT 32 does a far superior job of attempting to reach "neutral" sound reproduction than a tape measure and an spl meter.

The room and everything in it simply affects the sound WAY too much to simply level match and make sure the speakers are properly pointed...at least that's been my repetitive experience.

This isn't a rah rah fest for Audyssey at all by the way, simply an assertion that most people in most rooms have to go far beyond the aforementioned rudimentaries if they're looking for the best possible linear response.


James
post #125 of 157
Prosoft how is that comparison going? Haven't heard from you since you said you were doing it.
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Prosoft how is that comparison going? Haven't heard from you since you said you were doing it.

It is almost done. Will post it here after a final review once I am back home tonight.

Meantime, got a question for all Krell F. owners in this forum, were anyone of you able to download the latest update? I tried last night and it did download the updates showing a 100% completion, but wouldn't install. Rather showed error message: 'error in connection'!!!
Is this referring to Internet connection error? If yes, how could there be error in internet connection if the download itself was completed by showing progress bar going all the way to 100%?
Totally confused. Tried at least 3 times with same result of failure...
post #127 of 157
Prosoft I am going to try it tonight. I haven't had time this week. I want time to play after. Get back to us about the comparison.
post #128 of 157
Well prosoft mine went without a hitch. I reset mine back to factory settings before I did the update though because remember I eqed all my settings. I didn't want ares on for music. Boy am I glad I did. This is what i remember the thing sounding like when i first got it. People this thing sounds amazing. I had tears in my eyes literally. Jonathan Fritzen was literally bringing tears to my eyes. I couldn't believe it. Ares does a good job of almost getting out of the way of the music but with it totally off it is in another league.

I will report back tomorrow with the ares spkr and room eq results. And with any other info. But until then I will be having good dreams of my rekindled love. I am in love with my Krell Foundation.
post #129 of 157
Here is my comments after the audition:

Finally I completed my little comparative listening sessions involving Integra 80.2 and Krell Foundation. This was 2 days of work for me. It is far from easy! There is a reason why we so many of us eagerly read various feedback from others and then factor in those observations in our decision making process… but nevertheless, even though I do respect all the specs info and exciting R&D related stories of various brands, but like many others, I believe there is no substitute to actual critical listening by the end user for evaluating and rating a product.

My observation (where Krell shines):
1.Sean Hayes (Lucky Man) Bob Dylan (Masters of War) and Eric Clapton (U Look Beautiful Tonight) - the voice was much more pronounced and clearer, separation of instruments was significantly distinctive.
2.Documentary “The Planet Earth” - the sound of wind blowing in the vast plain and the subtle sound of the Eagle’s wings flapping in the sky was much pronounced and readily identifiable with Krell. The environment seemed more realistic. I felt an increased sense of being present at the scene myself.
3.Flight of the Phoenix – I clearly felt the air pressure around my legs while the plane was going down in the desert storm! The sense was uncanny!
4.Adele/Yanni – the overall sound was quite powerful and it seemed to me to be crispier and sharper, and very importantly, the bass blended with the other higher frequencies very well, commendably well! This factor clearly had a significant contribution to the pleasure of listening to the concerts.

The overall assessment:
Krell to my ear, sounded significantly cleaner and separation of instruments was amazing! The bass integration was unmistakably much better (the option of being able to run the ARC below 250Hz or 125Hz might be a contributing factor?). I also like the ability of Krell to let me increase or decrease the volume of individual speakers, this might prove to be quite useful in certain cases. Last, but not the least – the amazing distinctiveness of various listening modes (Orchestra/Mezzanine/Party) seemed quite impressive to me. I might not like some modes, but that shows me how much better some other modes are!
Now the final “mother of all questions” – is it worth paying nearly 3 times the price of Integra 80.2 or almost twice the price of Marantz av8801? That depends on the perceived value of an individual buyer and this perceived value, in turn, might depend on the combined factors of the purchasing-power-adjusted cost for the buyer to acquire the Krell Foundation and, the specific priorities of that particular individual (for example - quality of audio VS more options & ease of operation, also higher price VS brand image in the market, excellent performance mainly for HT or primarily for Music or in average, quite good for both, et Cetera et Cetera).
If you ask me, I would say (with a smile), wrong question – I have already bought it mate! And happy...

My System:
Oppo-103, Parasound 5250 v2, Elite Sharp 70 inch TV hooked to a Panamax M5400-PM box connected to 20 amp Circuit with Shunyata Receptacle.
Cables used:
Interconnects: Audioquest Cobra, AQ Evergreen, Transparent, Monster Cables
HDMIs: Audioquest Vodka, AQ Cinnamon, MyCableMart’s Ultimate series HDMI, Monster Cables.
post #130 of 157
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

Here is my comments after the audition:

Finally I completed my little comparative listening sessions involving Integra 80.2 and Krell Foundation. This was 2 days of work for me. It is far from easy! There is a reason why we so many of us eagerly read various feedback from others and then factor in those observations in our decision making process… but nevertheless, even though I do respect all the specs info and exciting R&D related stories of various brands, but like many others, I believe there is no substitute to actual critical listening by the end user for evaluating and rating a product.

My observation (where Krell shines):
1.Sean Hayes (Lucky Man) Bob Dylan (Masters of War) and Eric Clapton (U Look Beautiful Tonight) - the voice was much more pronounced and clearer, separation of instruments was significantly distinctive.
2.Documentary “The Planet Earth” - the sound of wind blowing in the vast plain and the subtle sound of the Eagle’s wings flapping in the sky was much pronounced and readily identifiable with Krell. The environment seemed more realistic. I felt an increased sense of being present at the scene myself.
3.Flight of the Phoenix – I clearly felt the air pressure around my legs while the plane was going down in the desert storm! The sense was uncanny!
4.Adele/Yanni – the overall sound was quite powerful and it seemed to me to be crispier and sharper, and very importantly, the bass blended with the other higher frequencies very well, commendably well! This factor clearly had a significant contribution to the pleasure of listening to the concerts.

The overall assessment:
Krell to my ear, sounded significantly cleaner and separation of instruments was amazing! The bass integration was unmistakably much better (the option of being able to run the ARC below 250Hz or 125Hz might be a contributing factor?). I also like the ability of Krell to let me increase or decrease the volume of individual speakers, this might prove to be quite useful in certain cases. Last, but not the least – the amazing distinctiveness of various listening modes (Orchestra/Mezzanine/Party) seemed quite impressive to me. I might not like some modes, but that shows me how much better some other modes are!
Now the final “mother of all questions” – is it worth paying nearly 3 times the price of Integra 80.2 or almost twice the price of Marantz av8801? That depends on the perceived value of an individual buyer and this perceived value, in turn, might depend on the combined factors of the purchasing-power-adjusted cost for the buyer to acquire the Krell Foundation and, the specific priorities of that particular individual (for example - quality of audio VS more options & ease of operation, also higher price VS brand image in the market, excellent performance mainly for HT or primarily for Music or in average, quite good for both, et Cetera et Cetera).
If you ask me, I would say (with a smile), wrong question – I have already bought it mate! And happy...

My System:
Oppo-103, Parasound 5250 v2, Elite Sharp 70 inch TV hooked to a Panamax M5400-PM box connected to 20 amp Circuit with Shunyata Receptacle.
Cables used:
Interconnects: Audioquest Cobra, AQ Evergreen, Transparent, Monster Cables
HDMIs: Audioquest Vodka, AQ Cinnamon, MyCableMart’s Ultimate series HDMI, Monster Cables.

This is my assessment also. The dialog intelligibility is amazing on the Foundation. And the sound is so much more real and enveloping. The midrange is where the Foundation shines which helps with how the dialog shines through.

Thanks for all your time and effort. Hope you get the update done. Come back and tell us if it goes through. Make sure when you do the firmware update all your sources are off. I remember reading that somewhere.
post #131 of 157
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

This is my assessment also. The dialog intelligibility is amazing on the Foundation. And the sound is so much more real and enveloping. The midrange is where the Foundation shines which helps with how the dialog shines through.

Thanks for all your time and effort. Hope you get the update done. Come back and tell us if it goes through. Make sure when you do the firmware update all your sources are off. I remember reading that somewhere.

Ron, I have been able to download the software update, but, there is this big BUT - I had to disconnect my Krell and take it to my home office room upstairs and connect ethernet cable directly to the Processor.
This let me avoid the wireless network boaster that I had set up at the bottom of the stairs for better and reliable connection.
Now, I am a bit surprised why I had to do it at this time, while during the first update after initial installation, things worked flawlessly! Baffling...
Meantime, I was able to connect my iPad to the Krell server successfully while at my office room. The controls and action buttons were working just fine. Didn't yet try to connect at HT room, will attempt soon and let you all know.

On another thread, I went ahead and bought a Asus tablet. Planning to get connected to Krell server via this guy and operate the control from this tablet (provided it works properly). This way, with a little investment, I will be able to have a workaround for the two important issues - viz. lack of OSD from Krell Processor and absence of backlit light of the Remote...
Let's see how it works.
post #132 of 157
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Ron, I have been able to download the software update, but, there is this big BUT - I had to disconnect my Krell and take it to my home office room upstairs and connect ethernet cable directly to the Processor.
This let me avoid the wireless network boaster that I had set up at the bottom of the stairs for better and reliable connection.
Now, I am a bit surprised why I had to do it at this time, while during the first update after initial installation, things worked flawlessly! Baffling...
Meantime, I was able to connect my iPad to the Krell server successfully while at my office room. The controls and action buttons were working just fine. Didn't yet try to connect at HT room, will attempt soon and let you all know.

On another thread, I went ahead and bought a Asus tablet. Planning to get connected to Krell server via this guy and operate the control from this tablet (provided it works properly). This way, with a little investment, I will be able to have a workaround for the two important issues - viz. lack of OSD from Krell Processor and absence of backlit light of the Remote...
Let's see how it works.

That could have been the problem I guess. Mine is hooked directly to my modem/router with ethernet. So I have never had a problem.

On the remote. I use my galaxy s4 through the wifi connection. I type the address of the Foundation in to the internet browser. It works great. Wish it was a little bigger but cant be picky. I had a problem when I tried my windows 8 ultrabook.
post #133 of 157
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That could have been the problem I guess. Mine is hooked directly to my modem/router with ethernet. So I have never had a problem.

On the remote. I use my galaxy s4 through the wifi connection. I type the address of the Foundation in to the internet browser. It works great. Wish it was a little bigger but cant be picky. I had a problem when I tried my windows 8 ultrabook.

My iPad 5 and iPhone 5 connected to Krell server and worked perfectly downstairs - good news!
Asus with Google Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) OS did NOT work:( - bad news! (iPad is too big for handling, iPhone is too small to see!)

Tried to listen to some songs with the EQ off - it is simply a pure pleasure!!! The sound seemed so natural and powerful (that's the best way to describe it from my POV).

Meantime, went to audition a Anthem D2V, just for curiosity. The sound is very open/transparent and great details. The room was untreated huge open space sort of place with wooden floor. So, may be due to all these reasons, it sounded a bit too on-your-face sort of sound. But I whole-heartedly like the Krell sound! Absolutely ...
post #134 of 157

great type of technologies used by them

post #135 of 157
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Originally Posted by Prosoft7 View Post

My iPad 5 and iPhone 5 connected to Krell server and worked perfectly downstairs - good news!
Asus with Google Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) OS did NOT work:( - bad news! (iPad is too big for handling, iPhone is too small to see!)

Tried to listen to some songs with the EQ off - it is simply a pure pleasure!!! The sound seemed so natural and powerful (that's the best way to describe it from my POV).

Meantime, went to audition a Anthem D2V, just for curiosity. The sound is very open/transparent and great details. The room was untreated huge open space sort of place with wooden floor. So, may be due to all these reasons, it sounded a bit too on-your-face sort of sound. But I whole-heartedly like the Krell sound!
Absolutely ...

I believe I have jellybean 4.2.2 on my phone and it works. Make sure you are doing it in internet Explorer and on the address bar. I tried everything else and it didnt work.
post #136 of 157
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Originally Posted by rhale64L7 View Post

I believe I have jellybean 4.2.2 on my phone and it works. Make sure you are doing it in internet Explorer and on the address bar. I tried everything else and it didnt work.

The Asus 7 inch tablet has android Jelly Bean 4.1. But never tried on that using IE. Will do now and get back when works....
post #137 of 157
Guys I think this user stuff probably belongs in the death star thread. Or maybe an official owners thread. I think the Death Star thread was deemed the official thread. It is to difficult to bounce back and forth between forums. What do you guys think?
post #138 of 157
hi does this processor has manual PEQ to do manual equalization using REW?
tks
Daniel
post #139 of 157
Ron,

Well I finally pulled the trigger and ordered the S1200U-3D to replace my HTS 7.1, I know the Foundation may be a newer design, but I decided to move up to the next level, I really wanted the EVO 707, but even at a used price, it was crazy money.

Ron
Edited by rmurphy - 11/11/13 at 5:34pm
post #140 of 157
Hello all. A bit late to the party here. But I've had my foundation for 2 months now. Here is my review. First I had issues doing a firmware update via Internet wireless. Then I just used the ethernet.. And wala... I ran the ARES. No issues there. Although I had to turn the sub up for ares to recognize the sub. . Sound is amazing. I had A Halcro SSP200. And the 2 channel audio is a bit better than the Halcro. .surprised... Nice. .movies is where the Krell shines clean dialog nice bass. Incredible.... Equipment : foundation... Halcro MC50 amp. Meridian G08.... Oppo 103....Tyler D-1 mains. Audes grand sentral.. Audes Blues rear. ... REL 528 sub.. Panasonic VT 65 plasma.. Running Springs Audio conditioner. All in all very happy.. I wish I knew what some of the firmware updates did.. I
post #141 of 157
I know when I did the original set up. It It was on firmware 1.08. .I believe the newest is 1.13
. Maybe that's why I had to turn the subwoofer up for ares to find the subwoofer. .Maybe someone can chime in on this.. I had double knee replacement surgery last week and and still in rehab.. I'm using using a snake river mamushi for a power cable. CDP are audience AU24e balanced. And audioquest vodka Hdmi. Foundation to display and from oppo to foundation..
post #142 of 157
"Sound is amazing. I had A Halcro SSP200. And the 2 channel audio is a bit better than the Halcro. .surprised..." Mike that is good to know as I use to have a Halcro and loved its 2 channel sound. I ordered the Foundation and am waiting for it but don't look foward to the set up based on some of the comments.
post #143 of 157
The set up in two channel isn't bat. I run the analog bypass. Or I run analog plus sub. Which put the mains to full
Took me awhile to figure that out. .on the halcro in the the analog mode, you really couldn't run the subwoofer...
post #144 of 157
The 2 channel is any worse than the halcro.. Krell is a bit more live sounding

. Plus the switching is so much better than the halcro. The halcro was clunky. I still have the halcro. Works fine, just wanted something current... I still love the halcro mc50..
post #145 of 157
I can't believe believe no one has nothing to say about the foundation processor? Or is there there a bigger topic somewhere else?
post #146 of 157
Mike there is an owners thread. But that is pretty dead also. I guarantee it should be talked about a lot more than it is.
post #147 of 157
I'm all EARS mine was suppose to come in today but it didn't. I guess next week I will have it. Any tips on setting it up? I was going to pay someone to set it up based on some of the posts I read but I set up my previous Casablanca and Halcro with no issues so I assume it can't be that hard or am I wrong?
post #148 of 157
It's not too bad. .Hopefully you have an eithernet connection to do the update.. That's about it. I
post #149 of 157
No its not that bad. You can do it yourself. Just not as easy as most. It is pretty straight forward and if you have questions just ask. Post them in the Death Star thread.
post #150 of 157
I have to assume it is best to use a laptop or smartphone to set it up?
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