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post #61 of 157
The Foundation apparently has both sabre and burr brown chips in it. A two channel Burr Brown for dsd 24 192
Edited by rhale64L7 - 7/19/13 at 6:51am
post #62 of 157
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There is a review out for the Foundation. Unfortunately it is all in German. It is in Heimkino magazine. It looks from what I can see a pretty great review. If I could just read it.

http://translate.google.com/
It may not be perfect, but you can try pasting the URL in there.
post #63 of 157
Yes thank you. I have translated it. Dont know how to post it here however. But it is a good review. As soon as I get use of my laptop I will try to post.

Some things of mention. It uses sabre 32 bit multichannel dacs. Along with Burr Brown dsd 24 192 A/D converters. I thought this was extremely interesting.
Edited by rhale64L7 - 7/19/13 at 6:49am
post #64 of 157
I have been looking at the Krell Foundation preamp to replace my Krell HTS 7.1, and it's been hard to find any information from anyone that owns or has heard the processor, but I finally found a web thread that has owners of the component and their impressions, here's the link.

http://www.hometheaterequipment.com/av-preamps-56/krell-foundation-av-preamp-s1500-amp-coming-my-way-3932/

My concern is how the Foundation compares to my current Krell, or the S1200U and not the Marantz AV8801, the AV8801 is a fine component with a lot more features, but it's just not in the same league when it comes to audio, I find that most of the additional features found in the AV8801 that are missing from the Krell HTS 7.1 can be handled by my OPPO BDP-105.

I had purchased the AV8801 and went through the pain of removing the Krell from my system, but while the AV8801 sounded very good, it just didn't have the same integration of the speakers as did the Krell, the Marantz has a very direct sound, you almost see what speaker is creating the sound, but the Krell you are in a bubble of sound and never see the speaker, I would still recommend the Marantz to anyone, and my friend who purchased it from me loves the AV8801.

Just a note about Krell, other manufactures have better quality control, and more current features, but the Krell just kicks their butts in the sound department, even thought the Foundation is a step forward, the other factors have not changed.
Edited by rmurphy - 7/29/13 at 1:16pm
post #65 of 157
I am using Integra 80.2 with Parasound 5250 v.2 amp and Revel F208 / C208 & SubMersive Sub.
Trying to make up my mind between Meridian av861 v4+ HD621 combination and Krell Foundation. I am aware of the price differences and the extra piece of equipment that comes with Meridian. But the 'M' is quite trusted and tested equipment. At a lower price point will the Krell provide the same audio SQ?
Has anyone finally found and saw the review of Krell by Jerry Del Colliano? He was talking about doing the review and publish in June within 60~90 days at that time...
Edited by Prosoft7 - 8/23/13 at 7:12am
post #66 of 157
The review isnt out yet. I believe it is done though. Just not released. Kal may have it by now. Kal Rubinson do you have the Foundation for review yet?

Any way the sound of the Foundation is amazing. It is an awesome sounding analog preamp as well as home theater preamp.

It is a pain in the you know what to setup though. The hdmi switching is about the best I have encountered. The mic for the room eq sucks. It should come with a better mic for the money you spend. And the manual sucks. It should explain more.
I am still trying to figure this thing out because the manual sucks so bad.
post #67 of 157
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The review isnt out yet. I believe it is done though. Just not released. Kal may have it by now. Kal Rubinson do you have the Foundation for review yet?
 

That review is out but Krell has not yet sent me one.

post #68 of 157
Yes the review posted today. But I thought it was then getting shipped to you.

on the review I cant tell if he liked it or was disappointed
Edited by rhale64L7 - 8/26/13 at 1:03pm
post #69 of 157
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Yes the review posted today. But I thought it was then getting shipped to you.
   

If so, I'll report that when I get it.

post #70 of 157
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Yes the review posted today. But I thought it was then getting shipped to you.

on the review I cant tell if he liked it or was disappointed

If so, I will report that when I see it.

 

Didn't read the review (for obvious reasons).

post #71 of 157
Yes makes a lot of sense. I imagine we as humans can be swayed a little. Some more than others.
post #72 of 157
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Yes makes a lot of sense. I imagine we as humans can be swayed a little. Some more than others.

Undoubtedly and one cannot know to what degree.

post #73 of 157
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Yes the review posted today. But I thought it was then getting shipped to you.

on the review I cant tell if he liked it or was disappointed

It read as if he was disappointed, but then gave it a positive rating anyway.
post #74 of 157
Yeah I kind of got that also. I have the Foundation and it can sound awesome. But it is hard to set up properly. For instance on auto eq it sets your crossovers way to high. Unlike audessy where it is mostly sets them full range.So then you are supposed to set the points to what you know for your speakers. Then rerun it. It is supposed to then leave your crossover points where you put them. I tried three times each time the eq over rode my settings. I am sure it is something I am doing wrong because I cant understand the manual that well. It is not even really a manual it is a reference. My question is a reference to what? The Krell 707 has a manual I downloaded. It wasn't until I read that manual that I understood that you can set 3 eq profiles and how to do it. It mentions it in the Foundation reference but thats about it. If it weren't for the fact I had actually accidentally got it right the first time I would have been very disappointed. The Foundation has lots of thoughtful features that a lot of us want. But it is hard to figure out how to use them.

So in summary eq for movies is smooth but articulate. For music if you happen to get lucky and get it right with the setup you will be rewarded with amazing deep bass. Shimmering highs and an oh so wonderful layered midrange. But if you get it wrong it still sounds ok. About as good as my Integra dhc 9.9 but it would be disappointing. So if you at first don't succeed you know the rest.
post #75 of 157
I had the Krell Foundation in my system over the holiday weekend and I agree the manual is junk, looking all over the internet for setup instructions also didn't work, I was under the impression that a IOS/Android app was available but it's only for the Krell Connect. I talked to a dealer friend about the setup issues, and he said at this price point the dealer normally does the setup with a high price component like Celestron.

The Krell Foundation wins hands down over the Marantz AV8801 in the sound department, it sounded more integrated with deep and complete bass, the train crash in Super 8 was incredible and rocked my house, when the train door hit the ground it was like being there.

The only issue I found with the Foundation besides the setup, was the lack of "air" or transparency I have with my Krell HTS 7.1, if this could be solved by correct configuration, I would consider replacing the HTS 7.1 with Foundation, I couldn't say that about the AV8801.
post #76 of 157
I have noticed to get the air or transparency you are looking for you need to have eq off. You can do this in one of two ways I have just found out. When you first do ares room eq you save it to memory 1. Then if you do not want it on for music you leave at least one of the other two memories alone. Then set it up in such a way as when you push say bd2 on the remote it goes to that setting. You can do this all in source setup. Save it to memory what ever. I hope you understand it is complicated. Note even though it says eq on in the menu in the one you didn't save to memory it will still be off. They should change that. If say you press bd1 and you have an eq setting in memory it should say eq on. Then in the one you don't save an eq setting for say 2 channel when you go into the menu from there it should say eq off. How do you know for sure? Say if your eq settings are slight and you keep doing the setup wrong? You would return it not knowing how good it could sound in all modes.

On ares room eq the 80hz setting was the best for me. It has a beautiful sound. Just smoothed out the bass a little.

If you have a really awful sounding room you can run room eq and then set all the speakers as fullrange and save that setting also in one of the three memory banks. For example I have bd1 as room eq on ,speakers set to limited, and crossed at 70 hz.That is memory 1. I have bd2 set as all speakers fullrange eq on for multichannel sacds and such this is memory 2. I am going to now set up one of the others and name it 2 channel and don't save eq into memory. This will leave it unaltered according to the tech at Krell.

The web interface is type in http://ip address/krell/index.html This will bring it up on your computer. You have to do this in your web browser. There is not an app yet.

Also just got more great news. Krell is working on a firmware update to allow for dsd direct. The Foundation is capable but it hasn't been implemented with firmware yet. The tech didn't know when it would be done but said they are going to add this feature in a future firmware. biggrin.gif

I hope this helps I just got the news about the eq not being saved into memory if you don't want it to. I wish this kind of info would be in the manual. And the sacd/dsd support with firmware. So now I have to redo my settings also. I have just been turning eq off in the menu for 2 channel music.
post #77 of 157
Thanks! for sharing. Krell owners, which brand of Cables/Cords are the best sonic matches for Krell gear?
post #78 of 157
Does the Foundation have user configurable parametric EQ or is the ARES EQ a black box (automated, cannot be manually tweaked)?
post #79 of 157
Ron, thanks for the update, I thought I wasn't getting the best sound using the little setup window and a manual that was more like a marketing document.
What's available on the web page, and where did you find the information like the web address?
post #80 of 157
Go to Krells website and download the latest Foundation owners ref. It is located in the network setup area of the reference. The other info has been by trial and a lot of error.
post #81 of 157
Oh a little help came from downloading the evo 707 manual and reading the section on eq
post #82 of 157
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

If so, I'll report that when I get it.
Kal, any progress in getting the Krell Foundation and the review?
post #83 of 157
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Kal, any progress in getting the Krell Foundation and the review?

 

Nope.  No response to my follow-up inquiry.

post #84 of 157
Well thats a shame. They are probably working on a firmware update before you get your hands on it. They already know you didn't care for ares the first time around. Lol on second thought this could be good. They know you like high rez dsd so maybe just maybe they will give us that. And maybe upgrade the mic and ares.
Edited by rhale64L7 - 9/11/13 at 7:40am
post #85 of 157
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Well thats a shame. They are probably working on a firmware update before you get your hands on it. They already know you didn't care for ares the first time around. Lol on second thought this could be good. They know you like high rez dsd so maybe just maybe they will give us that. And maybe upgrade the mic and ares.

Ron,
I posted yesterday in response to yuppi, that I spoke with a gentleman in Krell (sorry, I can't recall his name, was calling during lunch hour and was in a hurry) and he said the MIC itself is not a problem. It is level of gain of the listening device within the Krell box itself. This is apparently going to be a quick and easy fix. They are going to increase the gain, so the sound received by the processor from the speaker will be identifiable by the listening device properly. That will resolve the ARES related current issue. There will be a firmware upgrade soon.
BTW, I have talked with my dealer Steve and getting my K.F. within next 3 weeks! Excitedly waiting!!!
post #86 of 157
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Ron,
I posted yesterday in response to yuppi, that I spoke with a gentleman in Krell (sorry, I can't recall his name, was calling during lunch hour and was in a hurry) and he said the MIC itself is not a problem. It is level of gain of the listening device within the Krell box itself. This is apparently going to be a quick and easy fix. They are going to increase the gain, so the sound received by the processor from the speaker will be identifiable by the listening device properly. That will resolve the ARES related current issue. There will be a firmware upgrade soon.
BTW, I have talked with my dealer Steve and getting my K.F. within next 3 weeks! Excitedly waiting!!!

Yes it would be nice if it fixed the various issues with ares. Both speaker setup and eq.
post #87 of 157
I have spoke with a Patrick Brenahan. He is the person that told me about the dsd.
post #88 of 157
And Prosoft I have been in your position. Waiting for something like this is hard to do. I sure hope you like it as much as I do. If you have a rack and want the rack kit order it now. As you will have to beg and borrow later. I have my new rack kit and I like it. It is almost as nice as the oppo rack kit. Which is saying something.
post #89 of 157
Oh also I think the silver part in the middle of the Foundation just may be aluminum. I had to take the front feet off the thing to put the vent under it in the rack. And they look and feel the same as that front piece on the Foundation. And they are definitely aluminum. Way to heavy to be plastic. Unless there is lead filled cavities in it.
post #90 of 157
Prosoft7,

I'm also located in Mn and know Steve, it's a shame that he moved so far away. It was nice to see him and Sheri before the Labor Day weekend.

It's funny how he always thought cables never made a difference, until he found some improvements with the Marantz AV8801 using different cables, have you had a chance to try the Marantz in your system?

You will love the speaker integration of the Krell, it may just take some work and time to get the setup correct, please keep us informed of what you think of the Krell.

What other components in your system do you intend to use with the Krell Foundation?

I'm still keeping my Krell HTS 7.1 until I feel better about how to configure the Foundation, I assume as more people start using the Krell it will become less of an issue for me. Truth be told I still want the Krell EVO 707, but when it jumped from 18K to 30K at release it became outside my budget, maybe as it becomes available in the used market, it may still become and option.

Ron
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