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post #1 of 19
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As the title says I have 1000$ to buy a sub and receiver with. Not the largest sum of money but will hopefully get the job done smile.gif
I apologize if this is not an appropriate place for this thread but I couldn't decide where to post in either the receiver or the sub thread....hopefully I dont step on any toes

*you dont need to read the whole thing if you would just like to recommend anything it is still appreciated I understand its kinda a wall of text I apologize

Current Set Up

Definitive Technology Mythos Four (fronts)
Definitive Technology ProCenter 1000 (center)
Definitive Technology Mythos Gem (surrounds)
****** 150$ Sony Subwoofer (embarrassing)
Denon AVR 1609 7.1 (receiver)

Current Issues
  • My subwoofer to put it gently is a joke. I bought it because I didnt have money at the time (3 years ago)
  • The Denon doesn't have audio over HDMI (big issue) and as a result does not have Dobly True HD

Wants
  • A subwoofer that can pack a punch (pretty much the best bang for my buck)
  • HD audio
  • at least 5.1
  • automatic calibration set up (like Audyssey)
  • 3D support

Desires but not required
  • 7.1 audio
  • lots of HDMI inputs (at least 4 but its not going to kill me if there is less)
  • Airplay (I can always use a raspberry pie or other accessories)

Listening environment

I am a college student and live in a fraternity house so noise is not a big concern. My room is about 12ft x 12ft (estimate) and probably 8ft ceilings.

Elaboration

I am trying to build a system to be proud of and have been pinching my pennys to afford it but its a passion most of you understand. I bought the mythos when they were new at 700$ each for the towers but they are obviously worth much less now. They are still nice speakers though, not the best but not to shabby.

For subs I have been looking at SVS after everyone has been shunning the definitive technology subwoofers. I would prefer not to purchase a cylinder sub but it wouldn't kill me. I have been looking at the SB 12-NSD (outlet) or PB1000 but not sure which to choose. I listen to pretty loud movies and music and would lean towards buying a sub that is more suited for movies.

For receivers I am pretty lost. SO MANY OPTIONS holy cow. I loved my Denon but would be willing to explore others. I can buy used or refurbished but am a little skeptical of not buying from authorized dealer incase things break.

If you read all the way down here YOU ARE AWESOME! Let me know if you have any questions I would love to start a dialogue smile.gif
post #2 of 19
Im a yamaha guy but if your dead set on needing audyssey, then the onkyo 818 can be had for 565.00 like new from amazon, then get a klipsch rw-12d sub. or you can get a yamaha 773 like mine(has pre-outs if you ever want to add amps) for around 500.00. if you dont need preouts, then you could get a 673 for 339.00 on newegg, then you could afford a pair of klipsch rw-12d. Imo the klipsch is probably the best bang for buck sub under 400.00. It will rival svs or rythmiks entry level subs.
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

Im a yamaha guy but if your dead set on needing audyssey, then the Onkyo 818 can be had for 565.00 like new from amazon, then get a klipsch rw-12d sub. or you can get a yamaha 773 like mine(has pre-outs if you ever want to add amps) for around 500.00. if you dont need preouts, then you could get a 673 for 339.00 on newegg, then you could afford a pair of klipsch rw-12d. Imo the klipsch is probably the best bang for buck sub under 400.00. It will rival svs or rythmiks entry level subs.

Great minds think alike. I like my Onk 717 which was $500 on sale, 7.2 system. 110 watts x 7 channels, I think something like 8 HDMI inputs, good for your multiple gaming platforms you college guys seem to like so much. I like that I can bi-amp the fronts and then you can only run a 5.1 system, but it's nice to have the choice between supercharged 5.2 or standard 7.2.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882120205

I also like the Klipsch RW-12d for $300. The Klipsch is a tried and true product with a warranty, not that you'll need it because I'm sure you won't play it too loud and blow up the speaker. (yes, that is sarcasm) rolleyes.gif

If Mr. Basshead is correct on that price, I would go with the Onk 818 over the 717. The price on the Onk 818 is usually at least $200 more than the 717, so I'm not sure why so cheap.
Edited by wvu80 - 4/16/13 at 8:23pm
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
The receivers look great. Would you recommend Klipsch over Svs and other subs? Should I be splitting the money 50/50 you think?

-thank you for the advice so far
post #5 of 19
well for the money your looking to spend the klipsch is a great unit...it will be comparable to the entry level svs for 200.00 less dollars. Its a solid unit. or you can step up and get a outlaw lfm-1ex for 629.00 shipped and the yamaha 673 for 339.00. the oulaw will have more output than the klipsch and pb1000.

here is the onkyo 818

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007JOO4XE/ref=aw_ol_r_d

its used like new or open box. if you go to the onkyo 818 thread a couple folks purchased these and they said the item looked bnib. or you can call the company " onecall" and get a brand new one for 699.00.
Edited by basshead81 - 4/16/13 at 8:39pm
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

well for the money your looking to spend the klipsch is a great unit...however once you get past the entry level subs then svs, rythmik, hsu, outlaw, psa are much better options. Im basing my opinion off of your budget!

here is the onkyo 818

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/c.html/ref=aw_ol_c_un_3

its used like new or open box. if you go to the onkyo 818 thread a couple folks purchased these and they said the item looked bnib. or you can call the company " onecall" and get a brand new one for 699.00.

Your link took me to a place where I could log in if I had an account, so I couldn't check it out.

On the choice of sub, I am also going the idea that you are a college student, and this is nothing against you (I own or have previously owned three college students) but the nature of the beast is that your stuff in college is likely to beat up, either by room mates, or by multiple moves using a borrowed pick up truck and using bungee cords to attach your tower speakers to the roof.

And "no," the fact that you put the mattress on the roof first before laying the speakers on them will NOT save them. rolleyes.gif
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
I appreciate all the advice. The 818 looks like a beast! I will look into the Klipsch never really considered them before. Out of pure curiosity and the possibility of going over my budget:rolleyes: what would be your next pick in the next price bracket?
post #8 of 19
also here is the skinny or recievers...yamahas are rock solid reliable but they have the less desireable room correction software(ypao). they onkyo 818 has multi eq xt32 which is highly desirable room correction software, but onkyo's track record on reliability is notthe greatest. so you have to weigh the options and decide whats best for you. there are alternative correction devices such as mini dsp, anti mode, or behringer feedback destroyer, that can be used with yamaha or any reciever if more room correction is needed.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by wvu80 View Post

Your link took me to a place where I could log in if I had an account, so I couldn't check it out.

On the choice of sub, I am also going the idea that you are a college student, and this is nothing against you (I own or have previously owned three college students) but the nature of the beast is that your stuff in college is likely to beat up, either by room mates, or by multiple moves using a borrowed pick up truck and using bungee cords to attach your tower speakers to the roof.

And "no," the fact that you put the mattress on the roof first before laying the speakers on them will NOT save them. rolleyes.gif

Very understandable that you would say this. However I must say that after having invested about 2,500$ so far I will not be "bungee cording" my gear to anything. I have all original boxes when the day to move comes and they are my babies. I wish to get the best gear I can afford, let me worry about how it is taken care of. thank you.
post #10 of 19
you can get the 818 and klipsch for right at a 1000.00 shipped to your door. check newegg for the klipsch, 300.00 shipped and 699.00 for a brand new 818.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

I appreciate all the advice. The 818 looks like a beast! I will look into the Klipsch never really considered them before. Out of pure curiosity and the possibility of going over my budget:rolleyes: what would be your next pick in the next price bracket?

The Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX is on sale for $629 shipped, but the sale ends sometime tonight. Here's a review: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/lfm-1-ex-review
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

The Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX is on sale for $629 shipped, but the sale ends sometime tonight. Here's a review: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/lfm-1-ex-review

Thanks for pointing it out looks like a good deal.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

Very understandable that you would say this. However I must say that after having invested about 2,500$ so far I will not be "bungee cording" my gear to anything.

LOL! That's great! Hey, if I give you my kids phone numbers, can you tell them that for me? They'll listen to you, but they never listen to dad, because I'm old and senile and don't know anything. tongue.gif
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/thread drift
When it comes to putting your money where it will do the most good, I have always thought of the AV receiver as the centerpiece of your system. If I had to invest anywhere, I would put extra money there, first.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

you can get the 818 and klipsch for right at a 1000.00 shipped to your door. check newegg for the klipsch, 300.00 shipped and 699.00 for a brand new 818.

Those numbers sound around what I was estimating, but as you know those "sale prices" go up and down drastically for obvious marketing purposes. When I bought my Onk 717 for $500 the 818 was around $900. I would have paid the extra $200, but for $400 extra I stayed within my budget. A brand new 818 for $700 is as low as I've seen in the last six months, so I see it as really good value in that price range.

BTW, Mr. Basshead is of course right about the reliability problems of the new Onks with regards to the HDMI boards. That problem seems to have hit the lower models very consistently, but I have not seen the same complaints about the step-up models of the 717 and 818.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by wvu80 View Post

Those numbers sound around what I was estimating, but as you know those "sale prices" go up and down drastically for obvious marketing purposes. When I bought my Onk 717 for $500 the 818 was around $900. I would have paid the extra $200, but for $400 extra I stayed within my budget. A brand new 818 for $700 is as low as I've seen in the last six months, so I see it as really good value in that price range.

BTW, Mr. Basshead is of course right about the reliability problems of the new Onks with regards to the HDMI boards. That problem seems to have hit the lower models very consistently, but I have not seen the same complaints about the step-up models of the 717 and 818.

Im leaning towards the 818 for now thanks to everyones input. I read up in the 818 thread and there does seem to be a few issues but il cross my fingers I dodge them. Would you guys recommend me looking into the Marantz SR6005? http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6005/MARANTZ-SR6005-110w-X-7ch-3-D-Home-Theater-Surround-Receiver/1.html
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
It looks like the 818 is 800$ from amazon and 999$ on Newegg where are you getting the low price? I suppose I could buy a used from amazon and buy a 50$ square trade warranty
post #17 of 19
I looked at the Marantz specs from your link, and it looks pretty good. It comes down sometimes to which features you want. My Onk 717 has a lot of internet radio apps. Well, I don't listen to radio, much less radio on the computer, so that feature doesn't matter to me. OTOH I did want to be able to bi-amp my front speakers, a feature the 717 and 718 has, but I don't think the Marantz has.

The 717 has the lessor of the Audyssey MultEQ setups. Many people tout the more sophisticated Audyssey MultEQ XT32 the 818 has. When I read the Marantz specs, I couldn't tell which version it had. To me, my setup is fine with the standard Audyssey. But if you like the more advanced setup, then you go with the better receiver, that's why I say it comes down to what is important to you.

I would say the 717 and the Marantz are more comparable, but that's just my rough opinion. I'll leave it to your research or someone else's expert opinion to guide you on which AVR's should be compared to each other in that price range.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice I agree after spending a lot of time reading the audyssey forums its a hard decision. The bi-amping the front is also very interesting. I have never heard this in person but does it really make a big difference in your opinion WVu80? I have mythos 4 currently as my L and R so if I bi-amped them what would exactly happen? Would they just be louder?
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by kweisen View Post

It looks like the 818 is 800$ from amazon and 999$ on Newegg where are you getting the low price? I suppose I could buy a used from amazon and buy a 50$ square trade warranty

...from the amazon link i provided, look up under used the company "onecall", they have a new open box for 699.00, If you call them they will sell you a brand new unopened unit for that price. there is a thread in the reciever section on it...official onkyo 818 thread.

Bi-amping off of a reciever offers very little, since 90% of all recievers only have one power supply. Meaning the more channels you activate the more the power gets divided, not added. pay attention to the details where it says (2 channels driven). That means not all 7 channels get the rated power...the best way to tell how much power the reciever is actually putting out, take a look at the power supply max power consumption rating and divide by the number of channels your using or simply divide the rated number in half. the onkyo 818 will deliver about 65-70watts a channel to all 7driven..

I curreny have my polk rti a7's biamped off of my yamaha 773 and I think it does sound slightly better, but some things percieved can be placebo effect. I can say for a fact it wont be a night and day difference.
Edited by basshead81 - 4/18/13 at 5:47am
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