Originally Posted by braveheart123
I'm using Denon 3313, which is far superior to my older Onkyo 809. My speakers are Klipsch (RF-82 II, RC-62 II, RS-52 II), which present fairly easier load (8 ohms) for 3313 to handle and they can be pushed beyond reference without clipping. So, no issue of 3313 getting hot here. Fantastic channel seperation and very accurate bass reporduction along with taller, wider, and deeper sound stage in movies. Pure direct is not as good. I liked the PD feature of my older Yamaha RX-V3900, which I think is the best for me in in audio performance.
I have no experience with Denon 1913, so can't compare it with 3313. Another thing, 3313 is not 4 ohm stable. Overall, fantastic avr.
No. That's passive bi-amping, which has no real world benefits IMHO. This should not be triggering factor for you to switch to 3313. The deciding factors are......fantastic channel seperation, tactile 3D sound, airplay, fantastic video chipset, 4K passthrough, etc. goodluck
Well I believe the 1913 has those extra benefits actually, it sounds great, I've always loved Denon and when I bought this earlier in the year, it absolutely demolished the Sony STRDN 1030 ( the competing model with wifi ) sound wise. I just wanted to know if would make a difference clarity wise. I rarely use Pure infact, but love the Denon's built in processing features. I have a feeling I'd just be adding features and power, and not really changing the sound, ( which is already excellent ) ...
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie
Those speakers are not likely too much for the 1913, rather the bulk of the heat is being generated by the video chip not the amps. Also, you should have the FL/FR speakers set to SMALL/80Hz if you have a sub in your setup (and if not, a sub would be a better purchase than upgrading the AVR). Neither "bi-wiring" nor "bi-amping" will provide any real benefit in either additional power or audio quality so focus more on upgrading the speakers and not on using additional speaker wire. The additional 2 positions from MultEQ XT is not as important as the fact that XT uses 8x more speaker EQ control points than does MultEQ. If you are playing the 1913 at distortion free levels now, the additional power in the 3313CI won't be noticed. In the end, although XT would provide for better quality than MultEQ, you would likely be much better served upgrading speakers/sub rather than the AVR. Focus on upgrading the AVR as the "next" upgrade after upgrading the speakers/sub.
Hmm, well the reason I thought it might be is because the Denon Rep I was on the line with re: heat said exactly that, and I'd be much better served considering the speakers I'm using to purchase at least the 3313 to drive them. These are my new speakers, The PSB image series, I bought the T5 Towers, C5 Center, and B5 surrounds, and spent close to 2000 dollars on them last month, but the receiver does get much hotter with these then my previous budget set. The only set I haven't upgraded are my rear surrounds, I'm still running the old bi polar Fluance set, and they are no where near matched in terms of just about everything, crossover frequency, materials, etc.. But as my budget is fairly exhausted, I figured I had to make the decision between the two ( upgrade AVR to the 3313 or complete the PSB set with another pair of b5's for my rear ) ... As the sound quality is already quite good, I have a feeling I would just be adding some features, the main one being power, at 125 watts compared to 90 watts per channel. Of course the 3313ci has the pre - outs, which the Denon rep also was adamant that I use to bi amp my towers to take full advantage of them, but it's entirely possible he was just trying to sell me on a new receiver. It also sounds like passive bi amping from what people are telling me is pretty useless, and I'm not about to mess with trying to bi pass the internal crossovers on these puppies, as Paul Barton researches the heck out of to get the best sound from all his speaker lines.
I think from all the input I've gotten, I've talked myself out of the 3313 for now, not because it's not a great receiver, but because I don't need the additional features at the moment, and if the extra 35 watts won't really make a huge difference except at very high output levels, ( I 'm only in a medium sized room ), I think I'll hold off, and finish the speaker set by replacing the rears tomorrow.
I think I'll start socking some money away, and then next Christmas try to pick up a 4312 or 4313 - to give myself the option of 9.2... ( front height sounds delicious
Thanks for your valuable insight!