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Floorstander recommendations for loft + 3.1 vs 5.1?

post #1 of 11
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Budget: ~$1250
Use: 50% TV, 25% Music (Hip-Hop/R&B/Alternative), 25% Movies (little bit of everything).
Receiver: Probably Denon 1913 or 2113 or equivalent, but open to suggestions. (Receiver separate from budget above)

Preferences: Only want recommendations for floorstanders. Yes, I know I could possibly get better bookshelfs for the same price, but size is not a problem and aesthetics are high on the list (Prefer Walnut/Mahogany finish if available). Fine with ID.

Currently using a Pany ST30 on the right wall with bed on the left and couches in between them. Plan on swapping this arrangement and ceiling mounting a projector this summer.

Given my viewing habits above, what are your thoughts on just going 3.1? I see that recommendation here a lot to allow for a better LCR set, and it would certainly make things a little easier for me considering I'd need 50' - 60' in-room runs for the surrounds (rental). I could always add them later if I felt movies were lacking, but considering I'm just using the TV speakers right now, 3.1 alone will be a huge improvement.

If I went 3.1, I figure $900 for LCR + an SVS/HSU sub. If I went 5.1, I figure $750 for LCR, $250 for surrounds + Klipsch 12D.

Let the suggestions begin. Purchase is a couple months out but I figure it makes sense to start figuring things out and audition them (NYC).






P.S. I'm not new here despite my post count, I just hated my old username and couldn't change it.

Thanks.
post #2 of 11
Thats a massive room (~10,000^3 ft) so definitely get the bigger sub. It might even be worth considering a 2.1 system for now then adding a center and surrounds. Depending on how loud you listen will determine the size of the sub.
post #3 of 11
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Ya I know that's one of the main reasons I'm considering foregoing 5.1 at the moment. Theory question here, does the effectiveness of a sub diminishes the farther I am from the it or does it diminish based on the volume of the room? Asked another way, will the sub sound small just in the kitchen because of the distance, but sound fine in the actual viewing area? I'm not too concerned with how things sound in the kitchen as long as the "living room" sounds good.
post #4 of 11
You might want to look at the Wharfedale Diamond 10.4 speakers for your fronts. They are $800 per pair at Music Direct, and the matching center 10CC is $300.

They come in a very nice light Cherry veneer and a darker rich Rosewood.

I have seen the Klipsch RW-12D for as low as $320, and that is a very good unit for under $500.
post #5 of 11
Swan Diva's 4.2 towers. Nice quality wood finish and hand rubbed black piano gloss end caps. http://www.theaudioinsider.com/index.php?loudspeakers=swan-diva&cPath=21_22
post #6 of 11
A subs performance is dependent on the size of the room. Because a sub does not direct sound to a listening position rather it fills a room. To fill a room it needs to pressure it and the only way to pressurize a room is by moving more air which is usually done by a larger driver or a driver that has higher excursion. For a room that size I would look at a PSA XV15,XS15 or XS30. The XV are ported, which usually have higher output and the XS are sealed which are said to be better for sound quality. The swan speakers look very nice btw.
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

Swan Diva's 4.2 towers. Nice quality wood finish and hand rubbed black piano gloss end caps. http://www.theaudioinsider.com/index.php?loudspeakers=swan-diva&cPath=21_22

Thanks, I had forgotten about the Divas since they were more than my budget originally. Any idea if the sale will last for another 30-45 days? AudioInsider says they are on closeout and don't know how long they will last, but it seems they have sales quite often. Are they being replaced with a newer model? I might be able to move the purchase up if it's going to save me ~$200.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Petden View Post

A subs performance is dependent on the size of the room. Because a sub does not direct sound to a listening position rather it fills a room. To fill a room it needs to pressure it and the only way to pressurize a room is by moving more air which is usually done by a larger driver or a driver that has higher excursion. For a room that size I would look at a PSA XV15,XS15 or XS30. The XV are ported, which usually have higher output and the XS are sealed which are said to be better for sound quality. The swan speakers look very nice btw.

Thanks for clearing that up. How would one of the above compare to two of the Klipschs? I could start with one and add another down the line because the PSAs seem slightly out of my price range at the moment.
post #9 of 11
The klipsch are very good for the price. Adding more subs can help smooth out the frequency response in a room, which means that the bass should sound the same or close to the same from multiple listening positions. Adding a second sub will add between 3-6dbs to the total output. However adding a second sub will not change the sound quality of the sub itself. Some people believe that purchasing a second sub later will make the content sound better, this is not usually the case. As I said a second sub makes it so that the sound is the same across multiple listening positions.

So to answer your question two Klipsch subs should be able to make the frequency more flat across more than one seat and there should be a slight db increase as well, however the PSA's will be a more accurate sub, and I believe they will have slightly more output than 2 Klipsch. If the PSA is too much then the Klipsch will be a great choice. With all of this said the difference you will actually notice between either the PSA and the Klipsch will come down to experience and how familiar you are with LF anf ULF.
post #10 of 11
+1 ^^^

The Klipch is definitely considered the go-to budget HT sub. But IMO it can be lacking for music, esp. in accuracy and quickness - two qualities that also make it less than ideal for a dual sub setup. There are several very good subs in the $500-$600 range that are regularly recommended here in the forums, all of which are a significant step up from the Klipch and would make excellent candidates for a dual sub set up later if you decide you need it.

That list would include the Outlaw LFM1plus (550), Rythmik LV12R (580), SVS PB-1000 (500) and HSU VTF-2 MK4 (560).
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by Petden View Post

The klipsch are very good for the price. Adding more subs can help smooth out the frequency response in a room, which means that the bass should sound the same or close to the same from multiple listening positions. Adding a second sub will add between 3-6dbs to the total output. However adding a second sub will not change the sound quality of the sub itself. Some people believe that purchasing a second sub later will make the content sound better, this is not usually the case. As I said a second sub makes it so that the sound is the same across multiple listening positions.

So to answer your question two Klipsch subs should be able to make the frequency more flat across more than one seat and there should be a slight db increase as well, however the PSA's will be a more accurate sub, and I believe they will have slightly more output than 2 Klipsch. If the PSA is too much then the Klipsch will be a great choice. With all of this said the difference you will actually notice between either the PSA and the Klipsch will come down to experience and how familiar you are with LF anf ULF.

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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

+1 ^^^

The Klipch is definitely considered the go-to budget HT sub. But IMO it can be lacking for music, esp. in accuracy and quickness - two qualities that also make it less than ideal for a dual sub setup. There are several very good subs in the $500-$600 range that are regularly recommended here in the forums, all of which are a significant step up from the Klipch and would make excellent candidates for a dual sub set up later if you decide you need it.

That list would include the Outlaw LFM1plus (550), Rythmik LV12R (580), SVS PB-1000 (500) and HSU VTF-2 MK4 (560).

Thanks for the info and recommendations, I'll have to do some research it seems.
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