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post #31 of 150
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i plan on always crossing these over to my subs so i went with the M. Matt has more than a few projects going from what i can gather.
post #32 of 150
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i plan on always crossing these over to my subs so i went with the M. Matt has more than a few projects going from what i can gather.

I think you'll be happier with that decision. Matt being busy is the understatement of the year. smile.gif
post #33 of 150
When the CNC company gets busy, things don't move as fast as we'd all like for custom stuff. Sometimes I'm completely at their mercy and I hope most people realize that. Custom does take a while because it's done when there is spare time. But it normally gets done assuming I've had the parts in hand to test fit everything. The issue about people wanting the 2cuft SEOS flat pack made for the E&E woofer isn't as easy as it seems. The 2cuft flat pack was made specifically for the Eminence, and it's a double layer baffle. So changing out the woofer means both baffles need changing. If the A&E woofer didn't have that big gasket around it, this would have been no problem at all. But the extra gasket diameter gets very close to the waveguide and also the ports. I can't move the ports any lower in the box, and can't move the waveguide any higher. So I've got a couple different baffles cut to see how this will all work out. I'm confident one design will be okay and we'll be good to go.

2 days ago the CNC company delivered 3 pallets of stuff because it was raining and I couldn't pick it up in my truck. I'll be going through it this weekend and packaging things up.

Emails and PM's are difficult right now. Most people do understand that and I do have a notice on the first page of the site. I read them all and make notes. But if I get 40 in a day, I read through them all at lunch or in the evening, take notes, reply to some easy ones and tell myself I will try to get to the others a little later. The next day I have 40 more.......it starts to snow ball.

All and all most people understand that this is a busy time of year for me and I'm helping with the BMS group buy for free, and trying to get that organized with the double pallet of stuff from Poland that people ordered. I've only had one guy get mad about the BMS stuff and tell me he was highly disappointed. Well, 'disappointment is an understatement'. That kind of stinks to get an email like that. 3 days ago I literally packaged stuff for 13 hours. Arrived at 9:00, got home at 11:30 at night. My lady friend brought me dinner around 8:00. But I did get 3 car loads of stuff knocked off the list. biggrin.gif

92 horns and waveguides needed packaging. Some well over 2' wide. A pallet of compression drivers, some needing to be rewrapped individually, some orders wanting half sent here, half sent there, hold the waveguides but send the CD, keeping track of screen names versus real names.. And then the normal flat packs and other speaker kits that have been ordered needed to go out as well......with everything packaged to arrive safely. I'm not even remotely complaining because I really do like doing this. I'm just saying that there's more going on than just packaging up 5 compression drivers. biggrin.gif But it's all good.

My busy time ends in about 2 weeks. I'm training another guy to take more of the landscaping work off of me so I can start to focus on audio and see where it takes us.
post #34 of 150
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Erich, I hope I have not come off as pushy or in the least bit disappointed. I certainly hope not.

My deepest apologies if you feel that way. If I was in any hurry I would do the boxes myself. I am fully aware it will take a while. The service your providing here is incredible. Please know that I feel nothing but gratitude. My order is for a hobby, not life support.

My ONLY worry was that my email was going to some spam filter or not even leaving my inbox for one reason or another.

The cross over for this inwall won't even be done until Matt gets around to it and even then he's borrowing my woofers to do another design. He will ship the woofers and x over back at the same time. I'm totally fine with that. All part of the plan. Ill get them when he is done. No hurry.

I'm starting the inwall because I have the MDF cut to do it and I want to get the wall back up. That is all. It will sit there behind the screen with no woofer till I get everything back. Heck, I don't even have my AT screen yet!

I was hoping doing a build using this flat pack would open up another easy option for people wanting to use this woofer. One that didnt require making a slot port and cutting the woofer hole.

Please take all the time you need and if there is ANYTHING I can do, please let me know. This DIY community has shared so much, I would be happy to pay it forward any way I can.
post #35 of 150
Nope, not pushy. I don't even remember you saying or doing anything pushy at all. If you sent me multiple emails, don't feel bad, that doesn't bother me, it helps to keep things straight sometimes. So don't think I'm aggravated. Tracking screen names and real names is the hardest part, so multiple emails can help even if I don't reply to every one of them. But keep in mind, this really only pertains to this 4 week span where it's crazy busy for me. It's just odd luck that the pallet from Poland and the BMS drivers actually came in right now, within a week of each other.

But don't worry, it's all going to get done and believe it or not I enjoy what I'm doing. I just have to remember that there are other orders that come through the site from people that don't know about all that.

Making a different baffle is easy, I actually do that myself on the computer. But making sure it fits with another box can sometimes take a little while longer because that turns into a whole new project. But trust me, I don't mind one bit or I would let you know. biggrin.gif

I'm confident that the A&E 12" baffles for the 2 cuft boxes will be good to go. The goal was making everything work without changing the inner baffle layer.


Having said all of that, keep in mind I'm going to be getting help with all of this soon. That will speed things up quite a bit and then we'll be getting into more projects.
post #36 of 150
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Good I'm glad to hear that. I usually try to include my screen name in my emails. can't wait to see what you guys come out with next! I can imagine the classifieds filled with SEOS speakers that we all keep upgrading from, with all these new designs coming out!!
post #37 of 150
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got the basic box made today. im going to wait till i cut the baffles to do the bracing. as i thought, it barely fits between the studs. shims should make it nice and secure. it will be up higher than this, of course. i have to move a electrical line. just test fitting.

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post #38 of 150
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a little update. i think parts are going to start rolling in real soon. when that happens, this build is going to go very quickly. in the mean time, i did receive the cross overs for my mains. Matt (mtg90) did a fantastic job on these as usual. This is Bwaslo's TD12M/360 design. i went with the upgraded Jantzen caps like Beast used. could i assemble these myself? sure i could. i might even be able to get them to look half as nice as Matts, but this build is all about ease of assembly and Matt charges a very fair price.

i finally have my wall back up and i decided to paint it a very dark brown. its Bitter Sweet Chocolate by Glidden.


post #39 of 150
I'm loving all these builds. We get to compare all these different woofers, boxes, cds. Fun times.

Yep, crossovers look great. Box too. It wasn't a problem going with such a thin box?
post #40 of 150
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it shouldnt be. the drivers will have 1.5" of clearance. ill find out when its all put together i guess. if it doesnt work out, ill just make a short, sealed box and put it under the screen. im pretty confident it will work though.

all kinds of interesting builds going on around the SEOS design.

great inexpensive speakers available. great inexpensive huge sub woofers available. Good times for sure!!
post #41 of 150
^^^^ I agree, so much cool stuff happening right now! I really need to get my Fusion-12's L/C/R on order now that I think about it ... This will be a fun one to watch too!

Scott
post #42 of 150
I agree. In the last few months there have been a ton of really cool builds popping up.

It's been audio nirvana in here lately. biggrin.gif
post #43 of 150
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The most important thing going on though is the people like Matt, Bill, Tux etc. that are willing to do the crossover design. Without them, great deals on nice components wouldn't be worth much.
post #44 of 150
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The most important thing going on though is the people like Matt, Bill, Tux etc. that are willing to do the crossover design. Without them, great deals on nice components wouldn't be worth much.

Agreed.
post #45 of 150
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seriously, though. This DIY community has developed to the level of complete independence. complete speaker ideas are engineered and totally made from scratch. the goals are situational needs and performance. not profit margins and marketing budgets. and the main idea here is "community". theres no shoehorning a current commercial speaker behind my screen going on here. Lets just make one! theres no analysis being done to determine how many other people are going to do this. this could be a one off design for all i know, but im willing to try it and Matt is willing to design the brains for it so why not?!

you cant build the enclosure? no problem DIYSoundgroup has flat packs or a forum member will build it for you. you dont want to try assembling cross overs? no problem, there's forum members that will do that for you. you have no idea what your doing at all? no problem, forum members with tons of knowledge will walk you through everything and hold your hand the entire way. ive never seen anything like it.

anyone with a decent budget and willing to do a little bit of work can have a system that can keep up with anything you can get commercially.
post #46 of 150
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anyone with a decent budget and willing to do a little bit of work can have a system that can keep up with surpass most anything you can get commercially for a fraction of the price.

Fixed. biggrin.gif
post #47 of 150
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I agree. I was just trying to be modest tongue.gif
post #48 of 150
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flat packs came in today for the left and right. i glued the bracing in today. ill probably just pop these together real quick with a brad nailer this weekend. im trying to decide on where to put the cross over. how about this location? and then how to secure it. i was thinking 3/4" screws.






dont make fun of my work mat. its the leftover tablecloth from my daughters Mini Mouse themed Birthday party biggrin.gif
Edited by brian6751 - 5/15/13 at 7:15pm
post #49 of 150
Awesome updates. I am watching your thread closely. I am still thinking about doing SEOS in-walls as well... I may have to reachout to Mtg90 for help with the crossovers.. They scare me smile.gif
post #50 of 150
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dont make fun of my work mat. its the leftover tablecloth from my daughters Mini Mouse themed Birthday party biggrin.gif

LOL, We are about to have a My Little Pony theme for my soon to be 3 year old. At least you are finding a good use for that stuff!
post #51 of 150
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little delay on getting my woofers so i figured i would just put these together without the brad nailer. i really like using Titebond in place of PL. Glue it. clamp it. wait 30 minutes. remove the clamps and move on. not too bad. its nice to have such clean cuts that allow me to do that biggrin.gif




Edited by brian6751 - 5/18/13 at 6:03am
post #52 of 150
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post #53 of 150
Do you think that this in-wall version of the Seos speakers will sound as good as the regular standard version? The reason that I ask is because I
have never heard an in-wall speaker that sounded as good as a comparable standard speaker in a conventional box. I have always wondered why
there seems to be so much of a disparity between conventional speakers and in-wall speakers when it comes to sound quality. The last in-walls that
I heard were the Klipsch Ultra-2 THX in-walls.
post #54 of 150
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The difference here is that this isn't an inwall in the sense that we are used to. It's actually a shallow speaker recessed into the wall. It has its own box.

The only difference between the center and mains is the mains are 2 cft. And the center is only 1 cft. So the box isn't tuned as low but it will work well crossed at 80Hz which was the goal.
post #55 of 150
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couple more pics. almost have them assembled but there is an issue. i have noticed that the seos 12 with the 360 attached to it does not fit!!! check out the last two pics. i have no problem trimming them a bit, but maybe im doing something wrong?


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post #56 of 150
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im wondering if it has something to do with these baffles being custom made for the TD12M?
post #57 of 150
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im wondering if it has something to do with these baffles being custom made for the TD12M?

The driver has nothing to do with the wg. Good news is that's an easy fix.
post #58 of 150
It looks like your inner baffle might have been glued up higher on the box. Everything is a tight fit, especially with the A&E woofers and their extra outer flange. But it will fit okay.

During assembly, if you clamp the top and bottom and pull them towards each other hard, it will "shrink" the height of the box a little and the glue will hold it like that. Then if you put on the inner baffle a bit high, you can be off about 1/8" or so. Someone else had the same issue. Just sand down the area where it touches and you'll be just fine.

I think I actually marked the area on your braces that you might need to sand down, but I was shipping those quickly and might have forgot to mention to watch out for that. rolleyes.gif

When I get new boxes made up, I'll likely have the CNC company just make the inner bracing smaller, or make that V part go back in the box a bit more.

Let me know if you have any issues. I have some glued up boxes and will send you one if needed. But a little sanding will fix that pretty easy. And remember, sanding is the fun part anyway.
post #59 of 150
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Ok. I see what your saying by shrinking the box. That might be what happened. Ill just remove what I need to.
post #60 of 150
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Although it looks like the inner baffle is glued too high, it's not. It's centered. It has that same tiny overhang on the bottom as well. The inner baffle is just a tiny bit bigger all around. It's like 1/16" bigger than the outer baffle.
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