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post #511 of 695
Thanks for the putting in the work superleo. Great Stuff.

Notes for others that follow:

I get dropouts / stuttering on my Samsung BD-F5100 when playing from a DVD+R DL. I have made the Surround and Music discs. Both behave the same way. However, I can play the .m2ts files with the Samsung using DNLA fed from the PC.

Both physical discs play fine on a Sony HTIB I have in the Bedroom.

The Panny BD-80 I have won't bring either of the discs up, even if I burn a DVD+R DL using ImgBurn after passing through multiAVCHD and selecting AVCHD (strict).

I will probably break down and buy a BD writer in the near future.

Thanks again for doing the hard work!
post #512 of 695
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Originally Posted by dengland View Post

The Panny BD-80 I have won't bring either of the discs up, even if I burn a DVD+R DL using ImgBurn after passing through multiAVCHD and selecting AVCHD (strict).
 

 

 

Have you ever updated the firmware?

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/download/bd80/index2_na.html

 

This info from here

http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration

may also help:

"3) Panasonic players using the AVCHD version may find that the HDTV Calibration video lacks chapter skips and a popup menu. The top menu button on the remote should still return to the main menu, and fast forward or rewind should be able to move through the HDTV Calibration video. Some Panasonic players have been reported to be unable to output the AVCHD as 24p video. At the current time we are not aware of an alternate AVCHD authoring method to solve these reported issues on Panasonic players. The HDMV version burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner should include the chapter skips and a popup menu and be able to output 24p on the same Panasonic players."

 

post #513 of 695
Thanks. I was sitting at version 2.5 in the Panasonic. I upgraded to the latest (2.6.4) and get the same behavior. I tried turning off 24 fps in the player, but not noticeable difference. Last thing I can see on the TV screen was Reading "+R DL". Front panel display goes to all zeros. TV screen goes blank and reports loss of HDMI signal. Front Display flashes "Hello" (like it is rebooting, but it does not take long enough to be a reboot.) and then TV has a display saying reading disc. The cycle repeats.

Firmware upgrade was certainly worth the try.
post #514 of 695
Superleo, I am surprised you do not have over several thousand thumbs up on these posts. Its a brilliant idea.
post #515 of 695
Thank you superleo.

This is my first post on this thread/project.
Downloading the full demo now and will seed for a long while. I'm connected with Verizon FIOS so it should help.

Mike

On edit.... looks like I should have it all downloaded in less than 2 hrs.
Edited by mhrischuk - 7/24/13 at 4:20am
post #516 of 695
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Originally Posted by diaz View Post

Superleo, I am surprised you do not have over several thousand thumbs up on these posts. Its a brilliant idea.

Disc came out long before "thumbs up." But it's never too late! wink.gif

Michael

post #517 of 695
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by diaz View Post

Superleo, I am surprised you do not have over several thousand thumbs up on these posts. Its a brilliant idea.

The thumbs up should go to everyone involved, from the guys that directly contributed to the guys that original seeded. Great team effort.

As far as being an original idea ... that wasn't me there are other discs before this one... just trying to make a great idea better.

Once again great JOB to everyone involved!

Enjoy the disc smile.gif
Edited by superleo - 7/24/13 at 6:37am
post #518 of 695
3 hrs 42 minutes for the full download. Seeding now. I typically seed 1-2 TB
post #519 of 695
Burned and playing.

What an awesome addition to my collection!

Menu took me a while to figure out. I kept thinking it wasn't letting me select the adjacent movies till I figured out to go to the arrow and press ok. I was expecting the side arrows on my BD remote would move to the next movie.

Thank you superleo and everyone else for all the hard work in building this.

Mike
post #520 of 695
Finally installed my BD burner and burned this disk last week. I haven't gotten through all of it yet, but what I have seen so far is excellent! So much easier to pop this disk in for a quick demo, than skipping through trailers and finding a good scene on a full movie BD. Thanks to everyone for the work in creating this and seeding. Very well done!
post #521 of 695
super, if you ever decide on a 3rd project, may I recommend for bass scenes, for your consideration,

Underworld: Awakening... the underground lair battle. 2 things to note are the automatic hand guns she uses. When she fires them, you feel the couch vibrating in synch with the weapon firing rate. Second, of course, is the large beast as it is 'walking' into the scene. I believe it has some good surround too, as the camera does a reverse angle, so does the sound.


Another good one is Thor... the battle with the ice giants. 2 things again: first, at one point, Thor throws his hammer and hits multiple casualties. As his hammer goes 'through' them in succession, you really feel the sonic wave of the sub with each hit. Second thing in this scene is when the beast is released.

Just throwing ideas your way for future considerations if you are interested is all. Cheers, and thank you !!
post #522 of 695
post #523 of 695
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Guess you haven't seen this one:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412846/the-ultimate-bass-demo-disc
wink.gif

No offense to the maker of that disc but man that one is horrible to navigate through (if it's the one I'm thinking of). I threw it away because I'd never use it.
post #524 of 695
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

No offense to the maker of that disc but man that one is horrible to navigate through (if it's the one I'm thinking of). I threw it away because I'd never use it.

I think he gave you the wrong link. You are in the right thread. The UA scene is on the bass disc and the Thor scene is on the Superhero disc. eek.gif


Global, this was actually meant for Caper above. wink.gif
post #525 of 695
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Originally Posted by globalgreg View Post

No offense to the maker of that disc but man that one is horrible to navigate through (if it's the one I'm thinking of). I threw it away because I'd never use it.

It is very painful to use, but better than anything I've made. Makes you wonder about the use of the word "ultimate" though. tongue.gif
post #526 of 695
Once you figure it out it's not too bad.
Basically you use the arrows on the sides to select a movie than navigate to the center and select it to play.
post #527 of 695
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

It is very painful to use, but better than anything I've made. Makes you wonder about the use of the word "ultimate" though. tongue.gif

I use XBMC to just browse the .m2ts files in the stream folder. I think I'll simply rename the files in the end. I think it's Ultimate because 1) it's a blu-ray full of bass scenes exclusively. The Reference demo discs are *great* but they each contain only a handful of scenes. The Ultimate Bass disc has about 40 clips. And 2) because most of the classics are there. However, even with enough room for 40 clips, it seems that you have to make sacrifices biggrin.gif
post #528 of 695
Oh sorry. Thought you were all talking about this disc.
post #529 of 695
neutro
You make valid points that I completely agree with. It is just unfortunate that the menu is so slow/clumbsy that really hurts the great collection of clips. I would have rather just had a simple graphic background with a text listing in alphbetical order than what is there. That kind of menu would have taken less space than the current one, or at least not more space. Plus the menu flow is oddd. I can't remember if it doesn't play continuously, or if it does and you can't hit skip forward/back, something. I've only used the disc twice because of the menu and just don't recall.

I have some long time family friends coming for a visit this weekend. We will spend a chunk of time in the theater. I *might* get that disc out, but with the other great discs I might not. Most of us are somewhat technical in nature and are ok with some rough edges as long as the output/end result is nice. For non-HT people, they just want pretty, easy, and quick.
post #530 of 695
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

neutro
You make valid points that I completely agree with. It is just unfortunate that the menu is so slow/clumbsy that really hurts the great collection of clips. I would have rather just had a simple graphic background with a text listing in alphbetical order than what is there.

I totally agree with that. I recon that making blu-ray menu is an art, and not an easy one. I can't even comment on the Ultimate Bass Disc menu since XBMC chokes on it and I don't have a blu-ray burner. On one hand, I appreciate that the menu is part of what the disc is (while the menu in the Reference 2 blu-ray is not perfect rolleyes.gif you have to admit that it gives an awesome presence to each segment; I still have that snowboarding movie soundtrack playing in my head, and the idea of having HT setup of members shown as background images is absolutely fantastic). On the other, I just have to spend 10 min renaming the .m2ts files and getting rid of the blu-ray directory structure to have exactly what you're suggesting inside any media player that supports the formats.

Better yet, I know what I'll do. I'm currently in the process of setting up an HTPC running Linux. It will be easy to make a folder full of correctly-named symbolic links to the .m2ts files inside the bluray structure. Best of both worlds!

As for blu-ray menus, maybe XBMC 13 support will be better. Perhaps menus for the Reference and Ultimate discs could be tweaked and re-posted here to fix any problem? Maybe not in an official fashion, but just an alternate option. I really don't know how to program menus though.
post #531 of 695
Some of us are using Blu-Ray players, and not media centers or HTPCs...

I still love these discs, flaws or not. Heck, I have some comerical demo discs that are far from as nice as the ones here, one of them has a much worse menu than the bass one.
post #532 of 695
Even on a media center or HTPC, I'd love to have the full experience (i.e. working menus), but support for blu-ray images, blu-ray structures and blu-ray menu is spotty at best, at least in free software. I just don't feel like buying a burner and expensive media just for the Ultimate Bass Disc menu biggrin.gif (In XBMC, some segments have working menus in XBMC 12, some don't).

I understand that the blu-ray player is the preferred way to watch a blu-ray smile.gif That's why I was thinking about alternate menu files. If it's possible (not sure), maybe alternate menus (such as one listing the clips as you suggested) could be made by a knowledgeable member and posted in the appropriate thread. This way, it could be possible to just replace the menu file in the blu-ray structure and re-burn the blu-ray with an alternate menu.
post #533 of 695
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

 I recon that making blu-ray menu is an art, and not an easy one. 

Extremely difficult, with a severe learning curve for the few (expensive) programs that you need to do it.

Which is what's slowing down volume two of the "Ultimate" series.

Once you have the clips, you can do whatever you want with them (and I mean that politely, of course biggrin.gif).

I find that the BDs usually play better than the files on my HTPC, too. 

post #534 of 695
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

 This way, it could be possible to just replace the menu file in the blu-ray structure and re-burn the blu-ray with an alternate menu.

Ah, if only it were that easy. wink.gif

post #535 of 695
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Ah, if only it were that easy. wink.gif

So... not possible? I naively thought blu-ray menus would be done in some sort of simple scripting language interpreted at run-time, sort of like javascript, or perhaps in javascript. I guess it would have been way to simple.
post #536 of 695

Piece of cake. Here you go:

http://dv411.com/scenaristbdpro.html

post #537 of 695
This is an amazing thread. Thanks!!!
post #538 of 695
DL'd both BD50's (ref1 and ref2 BDs) in less than a 24 hr period. Thanks! I will post results with an external drive for PS3 later...
post #539 of 695
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Piece of cake. Here you go:
http://dv411.com/scenaristbdpro.html

Ouch. Well I guess a pro solution had to exist.

For my own education I just looked around and it seems that newer menu are in fact Java bytecode (not javascript) that is run on Java VM inside blu-ray players. But the specs are proprietary and the official spec books cost thousands of bucks. Perhaps it is possible to, huh, find them elsewhere, but I guess it's a niche interest.

I guess it's all but hopeless to hack something quickly without pro software if even the specs are locked down.
post #540 of 695
Thread Starter 
That's why MultiAVCHD is very well regarded. Authors Blurays, granted with limited template menus, for free.
MultiAVCHD has as an option to use just a list of the clips as an menu. I believe Jindrak choose this type of menu to give it some flair, however when you have that many clips with "out of mux" menus it becomes very slow and unreliable.

If you really want a more functional menu you could reauthor the clips yourself using MultiAVCHD and selectin a different type of menu... That would probably be the easiest alternative to get a more reliable disc -- Not as pretty but reliable.
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