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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

Look's like the F8500 is the one for me biggrin.gif

Id wait until tonight as the numbers should come out and the calibrators opinions as well......

I do think some of the wind was taken out of the sails of the ZT however with the revelation that the VT and ZT once calibrated had the same black level (this was not really the case in the EU models)....The real winner IMO was ST as it MLL reached nearly as far down as the VT\ZT but was basically twice as bright. The calibrators said that this was most likely due to the filter used on the sets. The ZT however had a superior filter on it which may negate the extra brightness of the VT, if your set is going into a room with minimal lighting or dark room the ST may be the way to go just for price\performance....

If you are into gaming however and lag matters to you then the Vt\ZT should be looked at seriously since they offer the lowest lag of the group.....
post #1202 of 3096
I'm assuming Dark Optimizer was turned on for the F8500?
post #1203 of 3096
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I'm assuming Dark Optimizer was turned on for the F8500?

yes when they went into the menu a few time syou could see that the Black Optimizer was on...
post #1204 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Samsung just processes the picture differently and has a "sharper" look for the lack of a better term. Its not the 1st mention of it either, this is a general statememnt you will often hear....Samsung as far as I know doesnt publish "gradiations" so there is no way to compare that aspect between the two sets....
Yes, I've had 3 Samsung plasmas, now, and I just replaced my pn58c8000 (3 years old) with a Panasonic st60. The Samsung was always pretty sharp, but judging from some channel surfing, the st60 varies a lot -- between very blurry and very sharp. SD channels on the st60 are blurry. I watched an HD Bobby Flay "Brunch" episode yesterday, and noticed that when the camera focused on the food, the food itself was very sharp and detailed, but the kitchen behind was blurry. That's not surprising, I guess, but watching TV on the Samsung, I don't recall ever being able to tell where the camera was focused.
post #1205 of 3096
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Yes, I've had 3 Samsung plasmas, now, and I just replaced my pn58c8000 (3 years old) with a Panasonic st60. The Samsung was always pretty sharp, but judging from some channel surfing, the st60 varies a lot -- between very blurry and very sharp. SD channels on the st60 are blurry. I watched an HD Bobby Flay "Brunch" episode yesterday, and noticed that when the camera focused on the food, the food itself was very sharp and detailed, but the kitchen behind was blurry. That's not surprising, I guess, but watching TV on the Samsung, I don't recall ever being able to tell where the camera was focused.

I've always felt that Samsung has better video processing than Panasonic.
post #1206 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Id wait until tonight as the numbers should come out and the calibrators opinions as well......

I do think some of the wind was taken out of the sails of the ZT however with the revelation that the VT and ZT once calibrated had the same black level (this was not really the case in the EU models)....The real winner IMO was ST as it MLL reached nearly as far down as the VT\ZT but was basically twice as bright. The calibrators said that this was most likely due to the filter used on the sets. The ZT however had a superior filter on it which may negate the extra brightness of the VT, if your set is going into a room with minimal lighting or dark room the ST may be the way to go just for price\performance....

If you are into gaming however and lag matters to you then the Vt\ZT should be looked at seriously since they offer the lowest lag of the group.....

The display will befor BD & DVD viewing only, not much of a gamer.
But the ZT60 won't be available in the middle east, The VT60 however will be available in November! and I don't want to wait that long because nothing will stop me from waiting until next year, and I've been wanting to change my 7 year old display for some time now.
post #1207 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

The display will befor BD & DVD viewing only, not much of a gamer.
But the ZT60 won't be available in the middle east, The VT60 however will be available in November! and I don't want to wait that long because nothing will stop me from waiting until next year, and I've been wanting to change my 7 year old display for some time now.

If you dont want to wait thant he ST60 or F8500 will probably be good choices.....They kkilled the talk on the ST60 during day 1, but from the little that was said it is an excellent performer and much closer to its higher end siblings than ever before......Once today is over we'll ahve a much better idea of the "numbers" involved and the calibrators opinions as well...
post #1208 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

If you dont want to wait thant he ST60 or F8500 will probably be good choices.....They kkilled the talk on the ST60 during day 1, but from the little that was said it is an excellent performer and much closer to its higher end siblings than ever before......Once today is over we'll ahve a much better idea of the "numbers" involved and the calibrators opinions as well...

The ST60 will also be available in November mad.gif so not much chose there?!!
post #1209 of 3096
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I've always felt that Samsung has better video processing than Panasonic.

That has been the case for years imo
post #1210 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

The ST60 will also be available in November mad.gif so not much chose there?!!

Well I guess the choice was made for you then wink.gif especially if you dont want to wait until Nov smile.gif
post #1211 of 3096
For what I seen the vt60 looks better than Samsung f8500 and zt-60 is not in the store yet, where I live
post #1212 of 3096
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Yes, I've had 3 Samsung plasmas, now, and I just replaced my pn58c8000 (3 years old) with a Panasonic st60. The Samsung was always pretty sharp, but judging from some channel surfing, the st60 varies a lot -- between very blurry and very sharp. SD channels on the st60 are blurry. I watched an HD Bobby Flay "Brunch" episode yesterday, and noticed that when the camera focused on the food, the food itself was very sharp and detailed, but the kitchen behind was blurry. That's not surprising, I guess, but watching TV on the Samsung, I don't recall ever being able to tell where the camera was focused.

That was my experience with the VT50. I was coming from an old Sony plasma and an E8000. I initially thought the settings must be wrong on the VT50 because it looked like standard definition on HD sources that looked just fine on the other sets. With perfect sources it looked good, but even the old Sony had better ultimate picture quality than the VT50.

If you are coming from a Sony or Samsung plasma, you can't help but be disappointed with the lack of sharpness and detail a Panasonic plasma provides. You do get used to it though and the VT50 lives on in our bedroom and it provides a very comfortable picture...easy to fall asleep to, but the softness and lack of definition, when compared to our other plasma's is obvious. If I didn't know any better, I would think it was just fine though smile.gif
post #1213 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Yes we will see but I think the VT is the right mix of a very effective filter but greater light output, if the VT60 is even a 10 to 20 % improvement on the VT50 you are talking one of the greatest plasmas ever because the 50 is a great set in its own right.

I saw three of the 'greatest plasmas of all time' last night. smile.gif
post #1214 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I saw three of the 'greatest plasmas of all time' last night. smile.gif

i feel so lucky to own one of them smile.gif congrats on your decision!
post #1215 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

There was a noticeable difference for the reflections between the Vt and ZT from the camera feed IMO....If there wasnt, I wouldnt put it so high...I think really it will come down to the F8500 and the Vt60 for most people (at least after day one's result).....Hold tight for day 2 as things could get turned on thier head, but for the low MLL hunters, the steam was taken out early when they said both the VT and ZT matched...

If someone asks for them to put up material other than movies, hockey for example, then you'll really see things get turned on their heads. I think many people have no idea how powerful these ABL circuits can be with lots of different kinds of material. I think the letterboxed movie material doesn't put as much strain on ABLs as full 16:9 material. I don't think everyone here watches movies 100% of the time. In fact for me, I'd say I watch, on average, full-length movies perhaps 25% of the time. I watch more series type material.

If people were paying attention last night, they saw more dramatic impacts from ABL when they briefly switched to Directv and laptop computer output. I think if we ignore that type of material when testing these units, we're doing ourselves and our evaluations a disservice.
post #1216 of 3096
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

i feel so lucky to own one of them smile.gif congrats on your decision!

Thanks ljmart. I still find it ironic that the clincher for me was the "Kuro Black" demo material. Robert was sitting near me at the time and we both were shocked at how it was almost impossible to tell the difference between all 3 panels during this 'demo of blacks' material.
post #1217 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Thanks ljmart. I still find it ironic that the clincher for me was the "Kuro Black" demo material. Robert was sitting near me at the time and we both were shocked at how it was almost impossible to tell the difference between all 3 panels during this 'demo of blacks' material.

Congrats Ken, I hope you love it. I can tell you're even pickier than I am. It's ultimate picture quality is wonderful...I've never seen one better, that's for sure.

I tried to determine who was you last night, but I couldn't since I don't know what you look like biggrin.gif
post #1218 of 3096
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Originally Posted by jackobots View Post

That was my experience with the VT50. I was coming from an old Sony plasma and an E8000. I initially thought the settings must be wrong on the VT50 because it looked like standard definition on HD sources that looked just fine on the other sets. With perfect sources it looked good, but even the old Sony had better ultimate picture quality than the VT50.

If you are coming from a Sony or Samsung plasma, you can't help but be disappointed with the lack of sharpness and detail a Panasonic plasma provides. You do get used to it though and the VT50 lives on in our bedroom and it provides a very comfortable picture...easy to fall asleep to, but the softness and lack of definition, when compared to our other plasma's is obvious. If I didn't know any better, I would think it was just fine though smile.gif

Assuming your vt50 is not pro calibrated ? I don't find the vt50 picture soft at all and i have seen and owned a Samsung plasma to each his own tho
post #1219 of 3096
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Originally Posted by tubby497 View Post

Vt50 in bright room ...wink.gif


That's a washed out image.
post #1220 of 3096
^That's the point.
post #1221 of 3096
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^That's the point.

Did you make your decision? biggrin.gif
post #1222 of 3096
Nope...I'm half in/half out with the ZT because it will be going in a living room.
post #1223 of 3096
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Nope...I'm half in/half out with the ZT because it will be going in a living room.

if i were a betting (wo)man, id place it on the vt for vinnie! or wait till2014.....
Edited by ljmart - 5/12/13 at 1:03pm
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I'm out -- although the MDC salesman is trying to keep me in by providing EU review links and Panny demo links. rolleyes.gif

The ZT makes no sense to me if it doesn't get as bright as the others and my VT50. Maybe if they're around later in the year and discounted I'd reconsider but I won't pay full boat for a tv that costs 100% more that the price I paid for the VT for 25% (just picking a number) improvement.
post #1225 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I'm out -- although the MDC salesman is trying to keep me in by providing EU review links and Panny demo links. rolleyes.gif

The ZT makes no sense to me if it doesn't get as bright as the others and my VT50. Maybe if they're around later in the year and discounted I'd reconsider but I won't pay full boat for a tv that costs 100% more that the price I paid for the VT for 25% (just picking a number) improvement.

Sounds like you got a better price than me on the VT50.
post #1226 of 3096
I was working it dad. Not worth the time after it was all said and done. My time is more valuable to my business than the money saved.
post #1227 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

I'm out -- although the MDC salesman is trying to keep me in by providing EU review links and Panny demo links. rolleyes.gif

The ZT makes no sense to me if it doesn't get as bright as the others and my VT50. Maybe if they're around later in the year and discounted I'd reconsider but I won't pay full boat for a tv that costs 100% more that the price I paid for the VT for 25% (just picking a number) improvement.

I cant say you made a bad choice smile.gif since you already have the VT50 it will probably benefit you to sit out and see the "fall out" later on wink.gif
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Hey everybody. This was my first time watching the shoot out and I learned a ton while still being entertained. All three pros were fantastic and I'd like to thank them for their great work. I'm looking at either the vt60 or the f8500 and I am not sure which is best for my room. I have a basement with three windows, but none get direct sunlight. It will be somewhat bright and I will have shades but it will not be totally light controlled. I like to watch movies in a dark room but I watch a lot of sports which I prefer to watch in a lighted environment. And, obviously, football is normally watched at noon around here. I also watch cable in both environments, depending on the show. I've been to several show rooms and I think that I like the vt a but more, but it varied between stores. I'm a bit worried that the vt would not cut it with watching sports during the day or with the lights on. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
post #1229 of 3096
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Hey everybody. This was my first time watching the shoot out and I learned a ton while still being entertained. All three pros were fantastic and I'd like to thank them for their great work. I'm looking at either the vt60 or the f8500 and I am not sure which is best for my room. I have a basement with three windows, but none get direct sunlight. It will be somewhat bright and I will have shades but it will not be totally light controlled. I like to watch movies in a dark room but I watch a lot of sports which I prefer to watch in a lighted environment. And, obviously, football is normally watched at noon around here. I also watch cable in both environments, depending on the show. I've been to several show rooms and I think that I like the vt a but more, but it varied between stores. I'm a bit worried that the vt would not cut it with watching sports during the day or with the lights on. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

i know this isnt big in depth answer, but only way you are going to know is to get vt home and try it....... take advantage of stores return policy, but you may not need to!
post #1230 of 3096
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

i know this isnt big in depth answer, but only way you are going to know is to get vt home and try it....... take advantage of stores return policy, but you may not need to!

Yeah. I guess my main problem (at least for tv buying:) ) is that I'm not sure what a would be too bright for the VT. Your advice makes sense, though, thanks.
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