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post #1771 of 3096
Nobody gets attacked here for expressing a preference what gets people fired up us statements like "crushes" "destroys" "clearly superior" "only good in a bat cave" etc etc

Also refusing to acknowledge even minor flaws

Your post is well written reasonable and fair IMO
post #1772 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

........... I just ordered a 60VT (which I might cancel), I probably would have purchased a F8500 if not for the high price.


This is rich. You must be sleep-posting again. These panels only exist in your dreams. As you well know when you're awake, plasma disappeared from the market a good 5-7 years ago, just as you had always predicted. tongue.gif
post #1773 of 3096
Would someone please explain "lag" and how it affects a movie situation and gaming situation? I am not a gamer so however it may affect the game, I may not care, but how does this lag translate in a movie environment?
post #1774 of 3096
It's a non issue unless you are gaming
post #1775 of 3096
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

This is rich. You must be sleep-posting again. These panels only exist in your dreams. As you well know when you're awake, plasma disappeared from the market a good 5-7 years ago, just as you had always predicted. tongue.gif

Ha Ha Ha! Plasma has been on life support for about 2-3 years now. So my predictions, for the most part has been spot on.

Anyway, from what I've been reading, this is the last year Panasonic is going make plasmas. I think they're supposed to start focusing on OLED.

As far PDP technology is concerned, it really haven't advanced that much since the Kuro left the market back in 08. So PDP has really been in an arrested development for the last 4-5 years, with Panasonic tagging along.

Samsung F8500 is interesting because they did something with PDP that Pioneer couldn't do, make a brighter plasma display.
post #1776 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Ha Ha Ha! Plasma has been on life support for about 2-3 years now. So my predictions, for the most part has been spot on.

Anyway, from what I've been reading, this is the last year Panasonic is going make plasmas. I think they're supposed to start focusing on OLED.

As far PDP technology is concerned, it really haven't advanced that much since the Kuro left the market back in 08. So PDP has really been in an arrested development for the last 4-5 years, with Panasonic tagging along.

Samsung F8500 is interesting because they did something with PDP that Pioneer couldn't do, make a brighter plasma display.
From what I have gathered from Panasonic is plasma's will continue to be made, but no further R&D will go into their advancement. We as consumers who are love plasma displays will see a ZT60 quality display at GT/ST prices in a few years.
post #1777 of 3096
I looked at the ZT60 and the F8500 next to it. The F8500 exhibited more jaggedness around the objects on the screen and the ZT60 was much darker. I go back and forth on these tv's and think that I will not buy this year after all. Do anyone of you agree to wait and see if prices on plasma sets will fall significantly? I get exited at the thought of getting one of these sets, however, when I get to the store, I never do.
post #1778 of 3096
Any of the 3 are going to be world class after pro calibration. It is not clerar to me what anyone expects to see out of the box at a Best Buy. That said, there will always be next year. Unless there is a major eff up, then both Panny and Sammy will introduce more for less in 2014.
post #1779 of 3096
I guess maybe I am in the wrong hobby. 3500 to 4000 for a tv that will look best when calibrated for 400 or more bucks. Then a BR player like an Oppo 103, 500 bucks. Then BR disks and AV GEAR to hear the advanced audio formats. Furniture and cabling and mounting of the set. Then in just 12 months the TV I purchase today is supplanted by a mid-tier set from the same company. For example the ST60 is just as good as the VT50.
post #1780 of 3096
Maybe I will just get into analog records with a decent set of speakers, an amp and turntable.
post #1781 of 3096
Welcome to plasma land but you really dont need all that extra equipment to enjoy a top tier plasma
post #1782 of 3096
NRC,

That is exactly why am trying to pick the best set I can get for my viewing needs today. It is because, once I get this new set calibrated, I probably will not even visit these boards for at least five years. During that time I will know I am enjoying the best picture available to me when I took the plunge. If you keep waiting until next year (for anything), you will never fully enjoy life. And after 5 - 7 years, hopefully the new formats (4K, OLED, ???, etc.) have had time to mature, work their bugs out, and become relatively affordable for the masses. Then I will do this all over again...biggrin.gif
post #1783 of 3096
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Originally Posted by nrc2112 View Post

Maybe I will just get into analog records with a decent set of speakers, an amp and turntable.

LOL. You better break out the big boy credit cards, then. Home theater is much cheaper than audio. A collection of 300 blu-rays, a $3,000 investment in a reference panel, calibrated. A $100 blu-ray player. Less than $5,000 on the audio side, if done right, will be quite impressive. All together, we are talking only $10 grand for what would be a virtual reference experience.

Keep in mind that serious music fans who are audiophiles will need to spend a couple grand per month to keep up with both audiophile vinyl, SACDs, and hi-res downloads. Additionally, it isn't unusual to invest 10, 20 or 50+ thousand in a serious, proper two channel system. Frankly, if I could, I'd reach a high degree of satisfaction at no less than $75 grand. Sure, one can spend that much on HT, but diminishing returns will have kicked in far, far beforehand. The same can't be said for an audiophile level stereo.

Not to mention that reference TVs such as the VT60 and F8500 can be financed for FREE at Best Buy for a year and half and for 6 months at Paul's. FREE!!!!! Try that at a hi-end audio shop.
post #1784 of 3096
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Originally Posted by fr8doggr View Post

If you keep waiting until next year (for anything), you will never fully enjoy life.

From what I've been told, our eyes and ears will never be any younger than they are today.
post #1785 of 3096
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Originally Posted by nrc2112 View Post

I looked at the ZT60 and the F8500 next to it. The F8500 exhibited more jaggedness around the objects on the screen and the ZT60 was much darker. I go back and forth on these tv's and think that I will not buy this year after all. Do anyone of you agree to wait and see if prices on plasma sets will fall significantly? I get exited at the thought of getting one of these sets, however, when I get to the store, I never do.

Yes. However, if I didn't have a TV I wouldn't be so hesitant to pull the trigger. Since I already have nice TV, I think I can be a little patient.
post #1786 of 3096
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

LOL. You better break out the big boy credit cards, then. Home theater is much cheaper than audio. A collection of 300 blu-rays, a $3,000 investment in a reference panel, calibrated. A $100 blu-ray player. Less than $5,000 on the audio side, if done right, will be quite impressive. All together, we are talking only $10 grand for what would be a virtual reference experience.

Keep in mind that serious music fans who are audiophiles will need to spend a couple grand per month to keep up with both audiophile vinyl, SACDs, and hi-res downloads. Additionally, it isn't unusual to invest 10, 20 or 50+ thousand in a serious, proper two channel system. Frankly, if I could, I'd reach a high degree of satisfaction at no less than $75 grand. Sure, one can spend that much on HT, but diminishing returns will have kicked in far, far beforehand. The same can't be said for an audiophile level stereo.

Not to mention that reference TVs such as the VT60 and F8500 can be financed for FREE at Best Buy for a year and half and for 6 months at Paul's. FREE!!!!! Try that at a hi-end audio shop.
OK I see the game. Borrow a set for twelve months for FREE then sell it to someone and pay off BB or Paul's. you will not get what you paid for but at least you might sell for 50 percent. So in effect you get the new tech at half price.
post #1787 of 3096
So my ? is for all you High Rollers, do you buy a new set every year?
post #1788 of 3096
I have a question you guys may be able to answer. Im about to upgrade to one of these 2 sets from a Sony HX929. Im worried about brightness. I do Keep the Sony backlight to 3-4 out of 10 . Would this be comparable to the brightness of these 2 sets? Has anyone come from the XBR or a comparable LED?
post #1789 of 3096
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Originally Posted by nrc2112 View Post

Maybe I will just get into analog records with a decent set of speakers, an amp and turntable.

Check my pics in the ZT owners thread - it sits infront of a DJ booth w/ two tech 12s and there are masses of records you can glimpse in the one visible bookshelf in the shots...

And I agree on the "extra" equipment not being required to enjoy a plasma: mid-tier panasonic bluray will give you a great pic w/ the colour processing on it rivaling the oppo

I am totally happy w/ stereo sound out of a decent mid-tier yamaha - though one day an audio upgrade will be in the cards, just dont want surround sound til I own my own place and can bury all the cabling (or wireless audio starts to get to good sound quality at a more affordable price)
post #1790 of 3096
What a coinkydink, I have a lot of wax, too, but ditched my Technics a while back (so it sadly sits collecting dust).
post #1791 of 3096
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

What a coinkydink, I have a lot of wax, too, but ditched my Technics a while back (so it sadly sits collecting dust).

It helped, selling the gf on the TV, to say we won't be "introducing" a giant rectangle to our living room, but rather placing a rectangle in front of a pre-existing one (my booth)
post #1792 of 3096
She's a keeper. Still, she must get some enjoyment from the auricular entertainment that comes from the art of DJ'ing. wink.gif
post #1793 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Hungster View Post

Would someone please explain "lag" and how it affects a movie situation and gaming situation? I am not a gamer so however it may affect the game, I may not care, but how does this lag translate in a movie environment?

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It's a non issue unless you are gaming

I respectfully disagree, as I have yet to game on the 8500 and the lag is an issue watching movies on my 8500. I have an older preamp (B&K Ref 20) that doesn't permit delay adjustment beyond 5ms for only rears and center, not fronts. I can visibly see the actor's lips slightly behind the audio. I wish I didn't, but I do. Most modern preamps and receivers would allow an adjustment, from what I understand. My preamp was purchased in 1999.
post #1794 of 3096
Went with ZT60 instead of 8500. Unfortunately BB/MHT was set up so bad all the TVs looked terrible (posted my experience in zt60 thread), so there was no way to actually compare anything. Its a shame, because that should be a big advantage over online sources for BB.
post #1795 of 3096
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Originally Posted by John Kovach View Post


I respectfully disagree, as I have yet to game on the 8500 and the lag is an issue watching movies on my 8500. I have an older preamp (B&K Ref 20) that doesn't permit delay adjustment beyond 5ms for only rears and center, not fronts. I can visibly see the actor's lips slightly behind the audio. I wish I didn't, but I do. Most modern preamps and receivers would allow an adjustment, from what I understand. My preamp was purchased in 1999.

That's pretty typical with most digital displays and all the processing going on. I've had to adjust lip synch on my receivers with almost every plasma & LED display I've owned.
post #1796 of 3096
Went to my closest Magnolia to check out both sets.

While i will purchase the 8500, pricing and brightness, the ZT60 has a depth and richness the 8500 did not. I do not favor the Panasonic and went in looking to purchase the 8500 and still will. The ZT has something the 8500 did not. He did confess that the panel display was all component connections and the ZT was playing a different source on Blu Ray. He changed the source on the ZT to the same as the 8500. He even changed to different modes on the 8500. Dynamic, Movie, etc. Brightness was set at about 75%, i think it was on 58. The ZT just had more depth and richness. The 8500 was very color accurate and just a little brighter. To be honest i was expecting more brightness from what i read on here. They had a larger LED underneath the 8500 that was just throwing everything off. He kindly turned off the LED and I got to see the ZT, 8500 and VT all next to each other. The VT was not in the game, not even close. I will say, they got anitreflection right on the ZT. While the 8500 was brighter, i was disapointed with the reflection still on the 8500.
post #1797 of 3096
Once you get the 8500 properly adjusted, you'll have all the depth and richness you could as for and, as you've already seen, flesh tones and overall color balance will be superb. smile.gif
post #1798 of 3096
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Originally Posted by rgiorgio View Post

The VT was not in the game, not even close.

That should be enough to tell you what you saw wasn't indicative of anything worth considering. These sets are all very close.
post #1799 of 3096
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Originally Posted by nfraso View Post

That should be enough to tell you what you saw wasn't indicative of anything worth considering. These sets are all very close.

Agreed. When I went to buy the zt the setup was bad. Couldnt really compare any models. I wrote something in the zt owner thread about it. Also took the bb survey to let them know. My bb only runs 720p component input for instance to the tvs. You kind of need to know what you want before you go into mine at least.
post #1800 of 3096
When we went to compare the models the local BB Mag store had the VT, F8500 and ZT. The VT and ZT lacked punch and looked like someone put a screen door in front of them making them appear washed out. The BB sales person, a Panasonic fan, said he could tweak the Panasonics so that they were comparable in brightness and punch with the F8500 but admitted defeat after 20 minutes of tinkering. He could get the Panasonics to be somewhat close to the Samsung's standard settings but only if he pushed it in dynamic and really tweaked the settings to the point of loosing all color and blacks. That is why we ultimately purchased the F8500, the VT & ZT were a step back from our current Panasonic plasma that was pushed to it's limits as is to work in our bright room.
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