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post #871 of 3096
^^^^^ CIFchamp24

With all due respect -- who are you? Why not put your company name in your sig. You pop up with 9 posts claiming to have done what Cleveland Plasma and other companies can't do. What do you gain by telling us you have delivered a ZT but withhold your company name?
post #872 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

^^^^^ CIFchamp24

With all due respect -- who are you? Why not put your company name in your sig. You pop up with 9 posts claiming to have done what Cleveland Plasma and other companies can't do. What do you gain by telling us you have delivered a ZT but withhold your company name?
Haha sorry I'm new to the forums. I didn't realize people put their company names in their signature. I said in an earlier post here that I am a magnolia associate. I work at a best buy in Southern California. I don't have anything to gain by telling you this I suppose. Just figured you guys may want some info from someone who works it everyday. I am planning on placing an order for the 60" myself here pretty soon so I can get that may 13th delivery as well.
post #873 of 3096
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

you know, I'd prefer the update come a lit bit later and fix a lot more all at once like panasonic did for my vt50, than get the promised fixes in little pieces every couple of days and have to worry about everyone checking for all the 'collateral damage' all the time.

That's my preference, but of course I'm always happy when they actually fix something and its not just some mindless update for smarthub/vierra.

btw, I asked you in the other thread, but you said that there was a promise that this fw update would fix two issues, so far only one was fixed, the brightness pops. What happened to the other one, the floating blacks?

Since I don't own the display, we'll have to wait to see if that too was fixed with this update.

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post #874 of 3096
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Originally Posted by agkss View Post

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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

For those that are unaware (and those that said it would never happen), it appears that Samsung has indeed fixed the brightness popping on the F8500. The guys that have downloaded the firmware posted today by Samsung, have all reported the popping has been fixed.

It's nice to see a company so proactive with these fixes. smile.gif

Not for D series but panny neither fix "MLL in pro modes" on my GT50...

Since we're talking about the F8500 and ZT60 , I dont follow the other models. Samsung has been very proactive about the 8500 and thats what prospective buyers are concerned about here.

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post #875 of 3096
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Originally Posted by CIFchamp24 View Post

Haha sorry I'm new to the forums. I didn't realize people put their company names in their signature. I said in an earlier post here that I am a magnolia associate. I work at a best buy in Southern California. I don't have anything to gain by telling you this I suppose. Just figured you guys may want some info from someone who works it everyday. I am planning on placing an order for the 60" myself here pretty soon so I can get that may 13th delivery as well.

Welcome! I appreciate the info and do not question your intent or the fact that you were given that info, it just contradicts what a few other sources who also "work it everyday" have been saying. We shall see.
post #876 of 3096
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

Welcome! I appreciate the info and do not question your intent or the fact that you were given that info, it just contradicts what a few other sources who also "work it everyday" have been saying. We shall see.
Yeah I don't know. Different districts obviously have different reps. So possibly one of our reps just misunderstood their info and relayed it to us. We'll see which is correct quite soon.
post #877 of 3096
The date is actually not that different from what some folks here have been told by their respective Best Buy reps when making preorders/inquiring.
post #878 of 3096
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

The date is actually not that different from what some folks here have been told by their respective Best Buy reps when making preorders/inquiring.
Ya I didn't do a preorder. I just put it in my system for delivery and took full payment. It said "back ordered till may 13th" and had that date available for delivery. Before that specific night that same system would keep tellin me unavailable.
post #879 of 3096
And yet, as I speak I am now getting 5/20 as the date for availability.
post #880 of 3096
When is the shootout again?
post #881 of 3096
This Friday and saturday
post #882 of 3096
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This Friday and saturday
Ty!
post #883 of 3096
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

You think Katzmaier could calibrate that Klein meter of his, since he got the same black level as what he measured on the VT60. I'm having trouble believing the blacks are that much different between models at this point. The 60 F8500 has measured at .001fL and the VT60 has measure .009fL... I wonder if they do this to make the reviews more exciting when they're evaluating the panels and one is noted as being clearly blacker than the other...

After a while of reading there review's(probably it's just me) but I've noticed they always favor Panasonic over Samsung.
Plus I've red a lot of review's an comments saying good thing's about both companies and there 2013 Plasma set's.
Some time's I think cnet isn't a good sours for information to go to,sticking with forum's is the best choice because your getting honest people's and user's feedback and experience with the product it self.
post #884 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

After a while of reading there review's(probably it's just me) but I've noticed they always favor Panasonic over Samsung.
Plus I've red a lot of review's an comments saying good thing's about both companies and there 2013 Plasma set's.
Some time's I think cnet isn't a good sours for information to go to,sticking with forum's is the best choice because your getting honest people's and user's feedback and experience with the product it self.

No it is not only you and not only me either. Panasonic is a generous Cnet sponsors so you can imagine the rest of the story and Apple even more generous than them. It is not that these companies are producing bad products that being praised, no. Cnet just makes one small benefit or feature in their products to an earth shattering one and a huge flaw into a small dot if not totally ignored.
post #885 of 3096
I've wanted to change my set for a very long time,and I'm torn between the F8500 and VT60,I'm from Kuwait and I've contacted the Panasonic dealer asking about the ZT60 and they said it won't be available for the middle east however the 65"VT60 will be available by the end of November eek.gif ,and the F8500 will be available by the end of the week.

So I still don't know what to get,though I'm leaning toward's the F8500 and because if I waited until November I won't mind waiting a bit more for 2014 TV set's.

So any idea's ?
post #886 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

I've wanted to change my set for a very long time,and I'm torn between the F8500 and VT60,I'm from Kuwait and I've contacted the Panasonic dealer asking about the ZT60 and they said it won't be available for the middle east however the 65"VT60 will be available by the end of November eek.gif ,and the F8500 will be available by the end of the week.

So I still don't know what to get,though I'm leaning toward's the F8500 and because if I waited until November I won't mind waiting a bit more for 2014 TV set's.

So any idea's ?

We are in the same boat. I'm waiting for the F8500. Samsung said it will be available end of this week or by next week.
I don't have Panasonic in my shortlist. Have been thinking to get either ES8000, E8000, F8000 or F8500, but now 90% I'm getting the F8500. Many users are happy with it and for me it is a good hybrid between LED and plasma.

But it all depends on what you are looking for. Many said that the advantage of VT over the F8500 is that it has better shadow details and slightly better blacks. But in terms of clarity, SD material upscaling, brightness it has to go to F8500.
post #887 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Many said that the advantage of VT over the F8500 is that it has better shadow details and slightly better blacks. But in terms of clarity, SD material upscaling, brightness it has to go to F8500.

I've taken these matter's in to consideration,That's why it's hard to choose,I only use it for Movie viewing ( Blu-ray & DVD ),No cable or satellite channels.
If I waited until November for the VT60 nothing is stopping me from waiting for 2014 set or even an OLED,But can't Samsung solve these issue's via FW update ?
post #888 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

I've taken these matter's in to consideration,That's why it's hard to choose,I only use it for Movie viewing ( Blu-ray & DVD ),No cable or satellite channels.
If I waited until November for the VT60 nothing is stopping me from waiting for 2014 set or even an OLED,But can't Samsung solve these issue's via FW update ?

What issues?
If you go to F8500 thread you would see how happy the users are with the new FW update. It fixed the brightness pop
post #889 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

What issues?
If you go to F8500 thread you would see how happy the users are with the new FW update. It fixed the brightness pop

Then why these issues still being discussed here?
The F8500 is still being compared to the KURO & the VT/ZT60, when clearly any issue can be fixed by a FW!
post #890 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

So any idea's ?
If I were you, I'd get the F8500. Judging from reviews, I think it's not quite up to the pq of the VT60, but November is too long to wait.
post #891 of 3096
If the Samsung was priced closer to the ST60, then it would be compelling. I'm not sure how anyone planning to watch blu-ray content at night (when most of the world gets immersed in cinema) or at least in a room with low light (drapes, blinds!!) could justify spending VT60 or ZT60 money on the F8500.

Btw, no offense, but BBY employees must earn a much better living in CA than they do in PA if they are buying the ZT60. Good grief, 3 grand+ for a tv is quite a luxury purchase!
post #892 of 3096
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

If I were you, I'd get the F8500. Judging from reviews, I think it's not quite up to the pq of the VT60, but November is too long to wait.

I would tend to agree here, while the F8500 may not beat the VT60 in a dark room envirnment, I dont think its that far off. Waiting until November isnt something I would be willing to do, unless I was completely happy already and in no rush to upgrade.
post #893 of 3096
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

If the Samsung was priced closer to the ST60, then it would be compelling. I'm not sure how anyone planning to watch blu-ray content at night (when most of the world gets immersed in cinema) or at least in a room with low light (drapes, blinds!!) could justify spending VT60 or ZT60 money on the F8500.

For those looking for a better depiction of bright scenes as the result of a less aggressive ABL, better sharpness, better dynamic range, black levels that would have been considered 'best in class' in 2012 and better reflection control, it's not hard at all to see why someone would spend the same money or more on the 8500. :-)

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post #894 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

For those looking for a better depiction of bright scenes as the result of a less aggressive ABL, better sharpness, better dynamic range, black levels that would have been considered 'best in class' in 2012 and better reflection control, it's not hard at all to see why someone would spend the same money or more on the 8500. :-)

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And Shall we also add better 3D performance?
I even heard that Samsung's SD material upscaling is one of the best if not the absolute best
post #895 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

Then why these issues still being discussed here?
The F8500 is still being compared to the KURO & the VT/ZT60, when clearly any issue can be fixed by a FW!

I'm still not getting what issues are you talking about?
comparing TVs to each other is not an issue. It is something we do to make a purchase decision.

If all you care about is a MLL figure then you should go to ZT60 or probably look for a second hand Kuro from ebay. These TVs are good for a full time batcave.
If you want a TV which is more versatile then it is the F8500

and to be more clear THERE IS NO TV without any issues. Some have less, some have more.
post #896 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

I'm still not getting what issues are you talking about?
comparing TVs to each other is not an issue. It is something we do to make a purchase decision.

If all you care about is a MLL figure then you should go to ZT60 or probably look for a second hand Kuro from ebay. These TVs are good for a full time batcave.
If you want a TV which is more versatile then it is the F8500

and to be more clear THERE IS NO TV without any issues. Some have less, some have more.

My "batcave" is moderately lit smile.gif I do have to disagree on the total darkness narrative the Panny's do well in all but the brightest rooms, not disputing the versatility of the 8500 just think the characterizations are a little exaggerated.
post #897 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

I'm still not getting what issues are you talking about?
comparing TVs to each other is not an issue. It is something we do to make a purchase decision.

If all you care about is a MLL figure then you should go to ZT60 or probably look for a second hand Kuro from ebay. These TVs are good for a full time batcave.
If you want a TV which is more versatile then it is the F8500

and to be more clear THERE IS NO TV without any issues. Some have less, some have more.

The issue's I'm referring to are Black levels and brightness.
And when it come's to Kuro's I can get them brand new in box and for less than 3000$ cool.gif.
post #898 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

My "batcave" is moderately lit smile.gif I do have to disagree on the total darkness narrative the Panny's do well in all but the brightest rooms, not disputing the versatility of the 8500 just think the characterizations are a little exaggerated.

If the poster would be able to professionally calibrate Panasonic then maybe. if he is going to use out of the box settings then it will be useless. that is IMO.
post #899 of 3096
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Originally Posted by oddmania View Post

The issue's I'm referring to are Black levels and brightness.
And when it come's to Kuro's I can get them brand new in box and for less than 3000$ cool.gif.

Then why holding off?
post #900 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

If the poster would be able to professionally calibrate Panasonic then maybe. if he is going to use out of the box settings then it will be useless. that is IMO.

LIght output is pretty easy to maximize without a pro cal actually, really just a matter of adjusting contrast and panel brightness, of course that can have some negative effects on other picture parameters
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