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post #931 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Jsut to add I would ahve preferred they did a test against an ST60/VT60 instead of the ST50. The "test" didnt make much sense to me using the older and "bottom" set......

You are correct though it is a big part of it, only a few days left and we will see how different the EU nd NA sets are smile.gif
Seconded (because that looks better than a simple +1).
post #932 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Big surprise you bought the 8500 and favor it thanks for giving everyone permission to buy what the feel is the best set for them

and this opinion and favoritism bothers you why?
post #933 of 3096
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Originally Posted by ljmart View Post

and this opinion and favoritism bothers you why?

It doesn't bother me but you don't have to say you prefer something and take back handed shots at folks that feel otherwise, I'm all for different opinions just don't find that type of post to be particularly constructive but then again I am a "zombie"
post #934 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It doesn't bother me but you don't have to say you prefer something and take back handed shots at folks that feel otherwise, I'm all for different opinions just don't find that type of post to be particularly constructive but then again I am a "zombie"
Zombies unite.
post #935 of 3096
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Zombies unite.

Right on brotha smile.gif
post #936 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post


Wait what? how is the VT60 a "good bit less" than the F8500?
Ill sue Best Buy since it is a major retailer and dont heavily discount prices:
64" F8500 $3499
65: VT60:$3599

I forget that unless you think Panasonic is the best you are "anti-panny (pro-pioneer\samsung)" how does that work out again????

This is why I gave up Ph8te. ;-)

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post #937 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It doesn't bother me but you don't have to say you prefer something and take back handed shots at folks that feel otherwise, I'm all for different opinions just don't find that type of post to be particularly constructive but then again I am a "zombie"

Where were the back handed comments? maybe I missed something.....
post #938 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Where were the back handed comments? maybe I missed something.....

" If black level is most important to you and that is your holy grail for a TV, great...buy the VT60 or ZT60....or I will sell you my Sony XBR2....just turn down the backlight and brigtness and you get all the black you desire biggrin.gif If you keep an open mind, you will see the strengths of the F8500 over the VT60. You don't need to be a zombie and follow the crowd. "
post #939 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

Full lumiére the F8500 is a mirror, anti-glare FITRE is not effective ...




rolleyes.gif

WOW
Jaw drops
At first I thought this was a complete photoshopped image, This TV holds itself extremely well in such a bright condition, the black and colors are not washed out, totally not. Wish you could post Panasonic plasmas in the same condition to see how dim and dull they are.
Thank u very much for reconfirming what I have in mind smile.gif
post #940 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

" If black level is most important to you and that is your holy grail for a TV, great...buy the VT60 or ZT60....or I will sell you my Sony XBR2....just turn down the backlight and brigtness and you get all the black you desire biggrin.gif If you keep an open mind, you will see the strengths of the F8500 over the VT60. You don't need to be a zombie and follow the crowd. "

Ahhh Ok, I missed some of that in the Wall of Text.....he should have just kept it simple and said "buy the TV that youll be happy with" and left it at that wink.gif
post #941 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

WOW
Jaw drops
At first I thought this was a complete photoshopped image, This TV holds itself extremely well in such a bright condition, the black and colors are not washed out, totally not. Wish you could post Panasonic plasmas in the same condition to see how dim and dull they are.
Thank u very much for reconfirming what I have in mind smile.gif

Agreed! not only is the sammy bright, the blacks look BLACK with a brighter room. Are they as deep as a VT/ZT in a darkened room? No, but they are very good. I keep leaning towards the Sammy, Im just not ready to make the jump, as I have a 3 yr old plasma that is still a very good unit.
post #942 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Ahhh Ok, I missed some of that in the Wall of Text.....he should have just kept it simple and said "buy the TV that youll be happy with" and left it at that wink.gif
No fun in that!
post #943 of 3096
If "Zombie's" prefer reference PQ over any other factor, then I'm one. I want some of you, after the reviews and comparisons are done, to explain to me whether or not the F8500 is more capable than either the VT60 or the ZT60 at displaying blu ray content that is faithful to the source in a typical home movie environment (night/dark). If not, but you prefer a PQ that exaggerates here and there, then fine. It's all about making INFORMED decisions. This problem comes up all of the time in two channel (stereo) hi-end audio. Some simply aren't going to appreciate what, for example, bass is supposed to sound like (fidelity to the recording rather than room boom, etc). Others make the effort to understand, but then make an informed decision to create an experience which is tailored to personal taste.
post #944 of 3096
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Originally Posted by tubby497 View Post





Really? rolleyes.gif

Thank u for posting this.
Look how dim and dull these are. In stores they look more dull to me.
That again reconfirms what I think of these TVs.
post #945 of 3096
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

No fun in that!
I was going to put that, but decided better of it wink.gif
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

If "Zombie's" prefer reference PQ over any other factor, then I'm one. I want some of you, after the reviews and comparisons are done, to explain to me whether or not the F8500 is more capable than either the VT60 or the ZT60 at displaying blu ray content that is faithful to the source in a typical home movie environment (night/dark). If not, but you prefer a PQ that exaggerates here and there, then fine. It's all about making INFORMED decisions. This problem comes up all of the time in two channel (stereo) hi-end audio. Some simply aren't going to appreciate what, for example, bass is supposed to sound like (fidelity to the recording rather than room boom, etc). Others make the effort to understand, but then make an informed decision to create an experience which is tailored to personal taste.

The last sentence says it all, the the F8500 fits the personal taste of the buyer then there is nothing wrong with it. Is it what you would do, no, but then you arent the person buying the TV and you are not watching it in thier home. In the end it comes down to personal taste and what is goign to fit for the indivisual not the collective, once people can get thier head wrapped around that maybe they can see why a TV they think is "inferior" may be a good choice for others....
post #946 of 3096
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Originally Posted by yamvmax View Post

Agreed! not only is the sammy bright, the blacks look BLACK with a brighter room. Are they as deep as a VT/ZT in a darkened room? No, but they are very good. I keep leaning towards the Sammy, Im just not ready to make the jump, as I have a 3 yr old plasma that is still a very good unit.

Im totally jumping. Just hope the QUEEN F8500 will be in my house by next week.
Cant wait for her majesty's arrival anymore. 😆
post #947 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Thank u for posting this.
Look how dim and dull these are. In stores they look more dull to me.
That again reconfirms what I think of these TVs.

This thread has reached a new all time low
post #948 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Funny how you forgot to post pictures of the ST/VT/ZT in the same conditions rolleyes.gif

Also funny how almsot every review disagrees with you about the anti-glare filter not being effective.....Let me go just search for things wrong with the KURO and Panasonics without putting any substance behind it, becasue that always leads to something good......
For having a plasma samsung, my nephew and my sister also all slabs are reflective Samy full lumiére much more than a Kuro or Pana ... wink.gif
post #949 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

This thread has reached a new all time low

Not here to please you honey 😆
post #950 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Not here to please you honey 😆

No we are here to argue incessantly over the same points until the end of time neither side ever accepting a competing viewpoint and at the end of the day nothing will be accomplished nothing that has been said in the past 30 + pages will help anyone make a decision on what set to buy and that was the original intent of the thread
post #951 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

For having a plasma samsung, my nephew and my sister also all slabs are reflective Samy full lumiére much more than a Kuro or Pana ... wink.gif

wink.gif

This is F8500 or ZT60 thread. I'll stop posting about kuro's if Urga stops.....biggrin.gif
post #952 of 3096
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

If "Zombie's" prefer reference PQ over any other factor, then I'm one. I want some of you, after the reviews and comparisons are done, to explain to me whether or not the F8500 is more capable than either the VT60 or the ZT60 at displaying blu ray content that is faithful to the source in a typical home movie environment (night/dark). If not, but you prefer a PQ that exaggerates here and there, then fine. It's all about making INFORMED decisions. This problem comes up all of the time in two channel (stereo) hi-end audio. Some simply aren't going to appreciate what, for example, bass is supposed to sound like (fidelity to the recording rather than room boom, etc). Others make the effort to understand, but then make an informed decision to create an experience which is tailored to personal taste.

Interesting perspective. "Faithful to the source" means what, less dither, less ABL intervention? Exaggerates what, bright scenes, or dark scenes? Presumably we could say that a display with a higher MLL is less faithful to the source on dark scenes. My confusion is why a display that has more aggressive ABL intervention in bright scenes and therefore is unable to render the amount of brightness called for in the blu ray isn't less "accurate"?

SJA
post #953 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Urga View Post

For having a plasma samsung, my nephew and my sister also all slabs are reflective Samy full lumiére much more than a Kuro or Pana ... wink.gif

What does having another samsung Plasma have to do with the F8500? That would be like me saying the S60\UT50 is very reflective compared to the F8500. the comparison doesnt work......
post #954 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

No we are here to argue incessantly over the same points until the end of time neither side ever accepting a competing viewpoint and at the end of the day nothing will be accomplished nothing that has been said in the past 30 + pages will help anyone make a decision on what set to buy and that was the original intent of the thread

Members are mature enough to read whole threads and make decision themselves.
My personal advise to them is : believe your own eyes, go for what you feel you will like and afford, people's opinions differ but you know what you want.
post #955 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Not here to please you honey 😆

No we are here to argue incessantly over the same points until the end of time neither side ever accepting a competing viewpoint and at the end of the day nothing will be accomplished nothing that has been said in the past 30 + pages will help anyone make a decision on what set to buy and that was the original intent of the thread

well she clearly is trying to persuade people to choose a particular set...so that is in line with the original intent.

Whether she does it as well and as objective as say a cnet review, is a whole other debate.
post #956 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

What does having another samsung Plasma have to do with the F8500? That would be like me saying the S60\UT50 is very reflective compared to the F8500. the comparison doesnt work......

About the same relevance as pictures of an ancient pioneer plasma
post #957 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

About the same relevance as pictures of an ancient pioneer plasma

Basically....
post #958 of 3096
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Basically....
How's the merry-go-round today? Smooth and sunny?eek.gif I'm weak-willed, but I'm trying to stay on the sidelines.
post #959 of 3096
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

About the same relevance as pictures of an ancient pioneer plasma

Hey I'm just replying to Urga's kuro/panasonic posts. tongue.gif
post #960 of 3096
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

well she clearly is trying to persuade people to choose a particular set...so that is in line with the original intent.

Whether she does it as well and as objective as say a cnet review, is a whole other debate.

Aren't you funny?
As if I'm gaining anything whether people buy a particular set or not.
Fanboys think all other people are like themselves, try to force their own opinions or persuade others to buy their favorite sets!!
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