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post #61 of 96
For those in Canada, if you go to Future Shop and look at the FS product price label for the TC-P50S60 it also indicates the same label is for the TC-P50S64. So I'm hoping this means the 50" S64 and maybe bigger sizes will be coming here sometime soon. I'll ask next time I'm in FS.
post #62 of 96
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Originally Posted by Saril View Post

"How do you like it so far? Im looking to purchase VT60 after returning the S60 (65") but panasonic doesnt offer my company discount (15%) on the VT60, kinda sucks."

"I just don't understand not buying a tv because it's 'too bright' when you can easily calibrate that. I understand not paying extra for it, but it's actually cheaper!"


I have not received mine yet. Should be here in 2-3 weeks. Of course, when I do get it, I'm sure I will be absolutely blown away. I was already very impressed with the ST let alone the VT.

On the Samsung F8500 (PN64F8500AFXZA), the list was $3700, on sale was $3400. It could be less now. I ordered the P65VT60 for less than $3200. That was a major deciding factor for me. I was at the limits of my budget and the Samsung would have simply put me over. My wallet was siding with the ST, my intuition sided with the VT/F8500. I ordered the VT solely on price and about an hours worth of viewing.

As far as the calibration for being too bright, I would think the store would take of that. I had never seen one of these before and was relying on the store selling the product to ensure it was calibrated - but a good point.

Again, any of these sets (ST, VT, F8500) is going to be a top tier performer IMO. If you have a bright room, go with the F8500, all other considerations being equal.

Good luck!smile.gif

that makes sense then. if the prices were that close I probably would have gone with the vt as well as it seems less risky for my needs. but the 60" vt was 100bux less than what I paid for the 64" f8500, and the 65" vt would have been 500 more than the 64" f8500. I had no idea the retail prices were so close. to be honest, if I had to pay 3700 for the f8500, I would have dropped down to a 60" and grabbed the zt for less money...
Edited by fierce_gt - 5/11/13 at 9:34pm
post #63 of 96
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

Wow Saril you are a patient man! I had to wait four days and I was going crazy thinking about it until it finally came in! You will love it once you get it. The Cnet settings look really good on my 65"". I too got a killer price and it was a few hundred cheaper than the F8500. Samsung locks the lowest price at some point and they couldn't discount it more than the VT, which wasn't even in stock yet. I could care less about brightness as I always dial it down. I have a bedroom LCD that is almost off I have it set so low. The VT gets eye bleeding bright for me using a tweaked Cinema setting with a contrast setting of 80. White is definitely white on mine, not gray at all. Good luck with yours and hopefully you get it sooner than later!

Not really, I'm driving my wife crazy - lol.. I am a little disappointed about the delivery time but am extremely busy at work so the wait is not as bad as I thought it would be.
BTW - those Mozarts you own are amazing - I just recently heard them and they completely blew me away. Not only on how they sounded, but how absolutely beautiful they were. Some of the best craftsmanship I've ever encountered for the price. Congrats on your killer gear! smile.gif
post #64 of 96
Thread Starter 
I'm going today to our Sears outlet store to order the 60ST60. It's just to good of a bargain to pass up. I can't justify the increase in price for the VT or F8500. I do want 3d now (for the grand kids when they come to visit) so I'm passing on the S64. I really want /need 65" at 13+ feet away but it's not worth a grand more to me. I can't wait for prices to come down, my wife is ready to kill me too Saril.
post #65 of 96
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Originally Posted by Tim Akin View Post

I'm going today to our Sears outlet store to order the 60ST60. It's just to good of a bargain to pass up. I can't justify the increase in price for the VT or F8500. I do want 3d now (for the grand kids when they come to visit) so I'm passing on the S64. I really want /need 65" at 13+ feet away but it's not worth a grand more to me. I can't wait for prices to come down, my wife is ready to kill me too Saril.

That is a great choice IMO - congrats biggrin.gif
post #66 of 96
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Originally Posted by Saril View Post

Not really, I'm driving my wife crazy - lol.. I am a little disappointed about the delivery time but am extremely busy at work so the wait is not as bad as I thought it would be.
BTW - those Mozarts you own are amazing - I just recently heard them and they completely blew me away. Not only on how they sounded, but how absolutely beautiful they were. Some of the best craftsmanship I've ever encountered for the price. Congrats on your killer gear! smile.gif

Thank you, I absolutely love the Mozarts. Took me many years of searching to find a speaker that can take my breath away. I am very thankful that I can afford the things I do. I am not a rich man but very fortunate to have the job I do. A/V gear is what I love most so I dedicate a lot of myself towards this wonderful hobby. My father got me started early and I have gotten worse through the years!

Good to hear you aren't going crazy waiting. It will be worth it once it arrives!
post #67 of 96
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

Thank you, I absolutely love the Mozarts. Took me many years of searching to find a speaker that can take my breath away. I am very thankful that I can afford the things I do. I am not a rich man but very fortunate to have the job I do. A/V gear is what I love most so I dedicate a lot of myself towards this wonderful hobby. My father got me started early and I have gotten worse through the years!

Good to hear you aren't going crazy waiting. It will be worth it once it arrives!

Glad you're happy with the Mozarts - they also blew me away so I finally pulled the trigger on the BBGs. My wife also likes how they look. She was not as impressed with the rosewood as much as I was - so I got the piano black. My dad also got me into this hobby as well.

P65VT60 arrives this Saturday - Beethoven Baby Grands and Maestro CC arrive in 2 weeks. Now I need some good in ceiling surrounds!eek.gif

Thanks for your post!smile.gif
post #68 of 96
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Originally Posted by fierce_gt View Post

sorry, in order to preserve my friendship, and friend's employment, I've been sworn to secrecy on the prices. probably not a big deal, but i'm not going to risk it. you can always negotiate

I can tell you that visions has the f8500, st60, and should be getting the vt60 very soon, zt60 could be as late as august. Advance has all 3 on display and will be getting the ZT60 maybe this month(that's what they told me when I asked). I don't believe BB or FS have any of these models yet

Advance has received the ZT, but won't be putting it on display for another week (possibly 2 weeks).
post #69 of 96
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Originally Posted by mondo3 View Post

Advance has received the ZT, but won't be putting it on display for another week (possibly 2 weeks).

cool, i'd like to have a look in person, and they have a half decent display area, but I always feel so guilty going in there with no intentions of buying. and a few of them know me by name from buying from them several times in the past(I think I was on a first name basis with just about every store that sold speakers and/or car audio when I was in high school, haha) so it's hard to walk in and just browse.

and I just cut up my f8500's box and put it in the recycling today. so the last thing I want to do is find a better tv, haha
post #70 of 96
i know im replying to this late, but I sell tv's for a living and i do strongly recommend the st60 i installed it in a customers house and when we tweeked the picture settings and put on a bluray it was a stunning picture quality. I would strongly recommend the st60 it is an amazing tv and i plan on buying it.
post #71 of 96
Time for me to start tip-toeing into this forum to get some thoughts from the good folks here. I tend to be a mixture of early adopter, get it working once, then don't touch my system for a decade. My current display is 50-inch 720p Samsung HLN507W DLP from late 2003. Plasma was too expensive for me at the time. I do irregular watching of PBS, cable-based tennis, and blu-ray and DVD. Comcast cable, an excellent attic antenna, and wired internet are available. I worked with this DLP panel to bring up cable & OTA HDTV reception in this area with good results. I've been pleased with where the DLP panel has taken me. Video is in a darkened basement area with back-light accent added behind the panel to ease eyestrain, although there is occasional project time in the fully lighted basement when the picture quality isn't that important -- just need some background TV activity to pass the time during the project. Some of the panels (plasma?) I see in the local establishments in the past year are looking like they have much better color on the black side than my DLP and could be worth trying for. I'm starting to get the itch for 1080p and some better colors than the DLP washed-out blacks. I'm expecting the DLP projection lamp may time out in the next year or two, and there is only limited interest in replacing the lamp. Bigger screen would be a plus. I have only limited interest in 3D because I don't plan to replace the older OPPO blu-ray player and the Denon receiver for now. Maybe I'd pick up a cheapo Sony 3D blu-ray player just to try out 3D as an experiment if I got free 3D glasses with the panel.

Contemplated direction: 65" panel with great color.

Opinions requested: The ZT60 reviews coming in are very enticing. But I just wonder if I am enough of a videophile to fully appreciate the blacks of going all the way to ZT60. Am I too far behind the adoption curve to appreciate it entirely? Considering my background, would I be wasting money to go all the way to ZT60 to get the "ultimate" color, or should I go instead with one of the less expensive S60, S64 ST60, VT60 options? I can afford ZT60 and would be quite wiling to try to get the household budget officer on board if that's the choice. (Costco membership is lapsed if that is a factor, but it could be revived if needed.) Contemplated timeframe is mid-September to (1) get past the ESPN tennis season with the fixed crawl at the bottom of the screen that is ill-suited to new-plasma break-in, and (2) allow the ZT60 panel to be offered by the local high-end video retailer rather than being a BB exclusive.

Just trying to get my head sorted out here. Thanks for listening. Thanks for any thoughts.
post #72 of 96
I own the P65VT60 and absolutely love it. However, I chose the VT over the ST because of the dual core with Hexa processing, 3000 vs. 2500 focused field drive, 30,720 vs. 12,288 shades of graduation, better panel, new red phosphor, and THX 3D certification.

Now here is the deal - I looked at both the VT and the ST, in different stores, and could not tell any difference in the picture as they were both spectacular to me. I chose the Panasonic because I first saw the ST60. Because I keep my gear for a long time, like you do, I went with the VT. However, I feel the ST has the best price/performance ratio of them all. Just my thoughts. Good luck with your decision.
post #73 of 96
I watch tv with the lights on they are low wattage at about 60 watts. Do you. Think it will matter between the st or vt if you watch with the lights on? I sit about 12 feet away and I am replacing a 50" kuro the 1150 it is a 8 gen. I am going to get a 65" to replace it with. I bought a 50st50 earlier this year for my wife in our living room and we watch it with the lights on and enjoy the picture.
post #74 of 96
Good thread guys. I'm also in the same boat considering the ST60 vs VT60 (and will have to also research the F8500). I currently have an 8 year old 50" Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK (professional not consumer set) and it's been a truly great set. But, I'm moving to a bigger place and there is more room on the wall, so am considering a 65" TV smile.gif

I only have one question. I play quite a few FPS video games and am presuming I would be better off going with the VT60 due to the faster processor?

Like a couple of other posters on this thread, I also live in Canada (Vancouver), and as I was 8 years ago, am a little frustrated regarding the price differences and availability compared to our American cousins to the south.
post #75 of 96
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Originally Posted by darcraver View Post

I only have one question. I play quite a few FPS video games and am presuming I would be better off going with the VT60 due to the faster processor?

Single player FPS games are fine on the ST60.

Can't speak to online gaming but single-player gaming is fine on ST60.
post #76 of 96
Anyone find an ST60 for cheaper than 1500?
post #77 of 96
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Originally Posted by JC7727 View Post

Anyone find an ST60 for cheaper than 1500?

You can't find the ST at all.
post #78 of 96
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

You can't find the ST at all.

This is so frustrating too. I can find the 65" ST at Best Buy but that is way more than I was wanting to spend. I really hope the 60" ST60 comes back in stock soon or I may just have to go buy a 65" S64 at Sam's Club.

Anyone know when we might see more ST's back in reseller warehouses?
post #79 of 96
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Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post

I watch tv with the lights on they are low wattage at about 60 watts. Do you. Think it will matter between the st or vt if you watch with the lights on? I sit about 12 feet away and I am replacing a 50" kuro the 1150 it is a 8 gen. I am going to get a 65" to replace it with. I bought a 50st50 earlier this year for my wife in our living room and we watch it with the lights on and enjoy the picture.

I rarely watch with the lights on. The blacks are so much better with the lights off IMO.
post #80 of 96
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Originally Posted by sprint67 View Post

This is so frustrating too. I can find the 65" ST at Best Buy but that is way more than I was wanting to spend. I really hope the 60" ST60 comes back in stock soon or I may just have to go buy a 65" S64 at Sam's Club.

Anyone know when we might see more ST's back in reseller warehouses?

I was at Best Buy yesterday and the employee said probably August.
post #81 of 96
nice thread. Been wanting a new tv for a few months now - mainly to go bigger.

a brief history. one of many tv sets i have had in the last few years. First plasma was an old (cant recall model # now but it was a 42in panny with the duck feet)
later on i upgraded to a 50S1. In Dec 2010 i sold that not so much that i did not like it. i acutally went down to a 40in LED/LCD. got it mostly for a game monitor
but was too big and interfered with the already 32in lcd i had (both sony) So seeing as the sony (HX800) was too good to just use as a monitor it became my main tv

fast forward to today. Last few months been going back and forth btwn many sets. plasma. lcd... samsung/sony/panny/
thot for sure it would be the VT but still a bit too much cash that i want to spend .. so been looking at the s60 and st60

looked at them all in several stores. VT - S60. I am happy with the picture on the dynamic edge led/lcd i have now so thot maybe sony again. then maybe samsung 8000 series

no. want to go back to plasma. so today was in a different store. they had them all set up nicely. got to view them all. Was not impressed with the s60 they had. (it looked ok in other stores so maybe their set up)
I spent a long time looking at the st60 and comparing it to the samsung 8500 nearby. still liked the panny better.

so i put down a deposit on a 55ST60 ... go back tomorrow and pay off rest. Could not pay all at the time ..have to move money in bank and get bank debit card limit raised for one day.

i thot of getting the 60 but i am only 7ft from the tv and when i had the 50s1 it was perfect size. so the 55 should be just about right.... getting it for a decent price. less than msrp plus i
and paying for delivery and set up. and a extended warranty (usually dont but they gave me good deal and i get it credited back if i dont use it. a 55in tv too big to cart around so peace of mind if it breaks)

(ps - am in Vancouiver BC. got it at Visions)
post #82 of 96
Hi all,

I just ordered a ST60 60" from Amazon. It says that it delivers between July 27 and August 27. By then, I have the option to cancel with no penalty (other than maybe the 4-year warranty that was purchased separately).
I could not decide between S64 and ST60. I finally went with the ST60 because it was smaller and fits my TV stand. Yet, I have a big concern now about reflections. I plan to use it in the formal livingroom where there are two windows facing west. There is a potential for a lot of light in this room during evenings at sunset, so a lot of reflection. I thought that there was no difference in reflections between S64 and ST60 but I think I was wrong as someone on this forum said earlier that the S64 has the AR filter and the ST60 has the glossy screen. Is it true? Does ST60 have a glossy screen and the S64 a matte screen? (I never saw any of them in a store - this is an internet blind purchase smile.gif ) If so, I might just cancel my order for the ST60 and go with the S64 from Costco - it will arrive sooner too. As for the TV stand, well... I'll just have to make it fit.
Thanks! (great forum BTW)
R.
post #83 of 96
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Hi all,

I just ordered a ST60 60" from Amazon. It says that it delivers between July 27 and August 27. By then, I have the option to cancel with no penalty (other than maybe the 4-year warranty that was purchased separately).
I could not decide between S64 and ST60. I finally went with the ST60 because it was smaller and fits my TV stand. Yet, I have a big concern now about reflections. I plan to use it in the formal livingroom where there are two windows facing west. There is a potential for a lot of light in this room during evenings at sunset, so a lot of reflection. I thought that there was no difference in reflections between S64 and ST60 but I think I was wrong as someone on this forum said earlier that the S64 has the AR filter and the ST60 has the glossy screen. Is it true? Does ST60 have a glossy screen and the S64 a matte screen? (I never saw any of them in a store - this is an internet blind purchase smile.gif ) If so, I might just cancel my order for the ST60 and go with the S64 from Costco - it will arrive sooner too. As for the TV stand, well... I'll just have to make it fit.
Thanks! (great forum BTW)
R.

The ST60 does have the AR filter, so if glare is a concern, you are good to go.

I'm actually in the same boat with you ordering the 60" ST60 from Amazon and the long wait until it ships. It's a struggle almost everyday to not just say screw it, and drive over to Sam's Club to buy the 65" S64 and be done with it, haha. I've decided to trust my gut on this one, though. I just hope they don't have a lapse in quality control with batch #2 of the ST60's trying to hurry up and get them back in stock. Seems like everyone and their brother wants one of these TV's now, thanks to CNET's 5 star review.
post #84 of 96
Yes it's really hard to wait that long. My wife keeps telling me that we made the right choice. Yet, in the CNET reviews they say that ST60 has a glossy screen and the user reviews online for the S64 mention that S64 has a matte screen. They both have the AR filter (a.k.a. infinite black (pro) filter) but a matte screen versus a glossy screen is the better choice for removing reflections during daylight. I never actually like glossy screens in the first place - does not look like a "black hole" screen.
It will be a long wait, but I hope it will be worth it. And yes, personally working in production I know that rushing things out will cause bad units to slip into customer's hands, I just hope I will not be one of the unlucky. Where are these things made by the way?
post #85 of 96
This is even harder now with the reduction in price on the VT and ZT, ST has no fans but are reflections going to be that much worse compared to the VT and ZT?
post #86 of 96
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Originally Posted by JC7727 View Post

This is even harder now with the reduction in price on the VT and ZT, ST has no fans but are reflections going to be that much worse compared to the VT and ZT?

I agree with you. I've been going back and forth for the last week between the s64, the VT, and the f8500 (skipped ST due to input lag). The price variance between the VT and S64 has been slashed in half now which pretty much removes the s64 from the equation for me. I'm now thinking it may be worth waiting to see what happens over the next couple of weeks.
post #87 of 96
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Originally Posted by Fingolfin269 View Post

I agree with you. I've been going back and forth for the last week between the s64, the VT, and the f8500 (skipped ST due to input lag). The price variance between the VT and S64 has been slashed in half now which pretty much removes the s64 from the equation for me. I'm now thinking it may be worth waiting to see what happens over the next couple of weeks.
Panasonic emptied their stocks of S and STs and it's time for them to do the same with the VTs. They are not making money if people sit on their wallets waiting for the new batch of STs to come out. That might explain a slight price reduction of VTs or other models that are still in stock, yet I would be surprised to see a significant reduction that will have me give up the ST for a VT. My budget was $1500 for 60" (or higher) anyway.
As for the reflection, I am still not convinced who is the winner... I could not find any pictures with the S64 screen (turned off and facing a window).
post #88 of 96
How much better is the ST60 than the ST50? I'm currently shopping for a 55" (or bigger) TV to use in our basement. I plan on using it for everything... watching TV programs, playing video games and watching DVDs/Blu-rays (including 3D content).

The current generation of Panasonic plasmas all appear to gave comparable picture quality, with the ST60 getting high marks from CNET due to the price (at the time of the review).

Here's what I'm looking at right now...

TC-P55ST60 - $1350 on Amazon
TC-P55VT60 - $1609 on Abe's of Maine

TC-P60ST50 - $1430 on Amazon

I was initially hesitant on getting the ST60 due to all the talk about high input lag, but it seems that it isn't quite as bad as it has been made out to be (plus, I'm not exactly a pro-level gamer).

The VT60 is only about $260 more now (compared to what it was earlier this year)... and doesn't have as much input lag plus supposedly a slightly better picture. It also has the camera, which I will likely never use.

I see that Amazon still has the ST50 available. I've read about the IR issue, which seems to be less of an issue with the ST60... although it sounds like it too may be an overblown issue. The ST50 was a highly rated TV a year ago, so it's no slouch either... and for only about $60, I get a slightly bigger display.

To keep it all in perspective, I currently have an LG 47LCDF (which is working perfectly fine), so any of these three will likely be an upgrade in PQ.
post #89 of 96
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Originally Posted by sjlee View Post

How much better is the ST60 than the ST50? I'm currently shopping for a 55" (or bigger) TV to use in our basement. I plan on using it for everything... watching TV programs, playing video games and watching DVDs/Blu-rays (including 3D content).

The current generation of Panasonic plasmas all appear to gave comparable picture quality, with the ST60 getting high marks from CNET due to the price (at the time of the review).

Here's what I'm looking at right now...

TC-P55ST60 - $1350 on Amazon
TC-P55VT60 - $1609 on Abe's of Maine

TC-P60ST50 - $1430 on Amazon

I was initially hesitant on getting the ST60 due to all the talk about high input lag, but it seems that it isn't quite as bad as it has been made out to be (plus, I'm not exactly a pro-level gamer).

The VT60 is only about $260 more now (compared to what it was earlier this year)... and doesn't have as much input lag plus supposedly a slightly better picture. It also has the camera, which I will likely never use.

I see that Amazon still has the ST50 available. I've read about the IR issue, which seems to be less of an issue with the ST60... although it sounds like it too may be an overblown issue. The ST50 was a highly rated TV a year ago, so it's no slouch either... and for only about $60, I get a slightly bigger display.

To keep it all in perspective, I currently have an LG 47LCDF (which is working perfectly fine), so any of these three will likely be an upgrade in PQ.
No brainer - VT60 all the way. Better panel, >2x gradations, THX certified, ISFccc, stunning design. The ST60 is outstanding on its own without all of those, but at that price difference I consider it a no brainer.
post #90 of 96
Thanks for the input. I'm still about a month away from getting a new TV, so hopefully prices will drop even further. In fact, the VT60 has dropped a little since my post (it's now $1565).
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