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I chatted with Amazon custom service again and was told "we will be receiving more of this TV [the TC-P55VT60] on March 1, 2014 and your order will be shipping on 3/3/2014". I'm skeptical, but until I hear definitively from Amazon that I'm not getting my TV, I'll keep the order open.
post #2642 of 3258
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Originally Posted by smithfarmer View Post

Didn't know there was an insider posting here.

He reads AVS but he doesn't post here. He has a couple of threads on the other forum. Last summer he gave hints about them exiting PDP, and later he flat out said if anyone wants a 2013 Panasonic Plasma to buy one NOW as inventory is going to start getting thin. It was enough for me to buy my 55ST60 even though i didn't need a new TV nor one that big - i was becoming convinced that there won't be anything worth upgrading to if i waited a year or two more.

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With that being said, where in the supply chain are the displays from Novembers production? And for those still looking, Value Electronics still has these as does BrandsMart.

It's very likely that there are none left in Panasonic's regional warehouses since they are all no longer available for sale on Panasonic's Online Store. Last week the VT60 and ZT60 pages also had the notice: "Risk to Sellout: High" and a "Locate a Store" icon instead of the "Add to Cart" icon like they had previously. If they had any TV left in their network they'd have them available for purchase, or at least a "temporarily out of stock" notice with an expected due date, but none of them have this.

It's possible that some retailers or even some independent distributors bought up the remaining inventory but even this supply may have already been sold off by now. I'd be very surprised if any retailer gets their stock replenished going forward. BTW i'm in the electrical wholesale industry specializing in sales, purchasing, operations, logistics, and inventory control etc so i have somewhat of a feel for this - and the feelilng i'm gittin from Panasonic ain't good i'm afraid.
post #2643 of 3258
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Originally Posted by MrChad View Post

I chatted with Amazon custom service again and was told "we will be receiving more of this TV [the TC-P55VT60] on March 1, 2014 and your order will be shipping on 3/3/2014". I'm skeptical, but until I hear definitively from Amazon that I'm not getting my TV, I'll keep the order open.

That's crazy. Did you get a cc refund?
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Originally Posted by MrChad View Post

I chatted with Amazon custom service again and was told "we will be receiving more of this TV [the TC-P55VT60] on March 1, 2014 and your order will be shipping on 3/3/2014". I'm skeptical, but until I hear definitively from Amazon that I'm not getting my TV, I'll keep the order open.

Your skepticism is well founded - i'm pretty sure that there won't be any 2013 inventory becoming available in March, but historically early March is when Panasonic usually started shipping their new models - but the only 2014 models shipping in March would be from their LCD division so maybe that's the preliminary info Amazon has in their computer system.
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Originally Posted by chi_hawks_23 View Post

That's crazy. Did you get a cc refund?

Credit card hasn't been charged yet.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Your skepticism is well founded - i'm pretty sure that there won't be any 2013 inventory becoming available in March, but historically early March is when Panasonic usually started shipping their new models - but the only 2014 models shipping in March would be from their LCD division so maybe that's the preliminary info Amazon has in their computer system.

Yeah, and I'm sure Amazon will eventually figure that out and cancel my order outright. Still, there was 1 supposedly in stock when I checked out, so perhaps that mythical unit will be found and magically delivered to my house in the next week smile.gif
post #2647 of 3258
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

As a "company" they had to fold their plasma operations 4, 5 years before Panasonic so obviously they weren't making any money. Perhaps they made better decisions as to how to handle their *customers* later on down the line, but Panasonic outlasted them in the plasma game no matter how you slice it. As far as investors are concerned, the better company is generally the one that keeps actually building product and selling it profitably for as long as possible, and Pioneer today is a *shell* of its former self. This is coming from someone who has a 49TX receiver (49/59TX are the last great Elite receivers still Made in Japan), a DVL-90 Laserdisc/DVD player and a 141FD Elite Plasma.

Modern Pioneer Elite is Malaysia/China crap that tarnishes the image of my older Elite stuff (that you can buy an "Elite" receiver now for 400.00 is silly), so I'd say they've definitely pulled back, a little TOO far IMO. Would never buy any modern Pioneer anything. I'd like to find a BDP-09FD Bluray player to go with my TV, though. That thing was also a Japanese made TANK!
I am quite happy with an Elite SC-05 with ICE amps (also built like a tank, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was outsourced production-wise). Their DJ'ing equipment has also been top notch historically (I'd love some modern CDJs).
post #2648 of 3258
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

I am quite happy with an Elite SC-05 with ICE amps (also built like a tank, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was outsourced production-wise). Their DJ'ing equipment has also been top notch historically (I'd love some modern CDJs).

I was trying to think of which Pioneer division still builds high end equipment anymore and I forgot about the DJ division. I'm sure that stuff is designed to withstand rigorous abuse.

I'm sure your SC-05 is a perfectly fine receiver, and certainly it wipes the floor with mine as far as modern features (I don't even have HDMI), but it's the outright over the top stuff that Pioneer did at one time or another that really drew me to them as a brand. Ironically, drew me to them enough to give my '90s Bang and Olufsen gear to my brother. I say ironic since ICE came from B&O. The problem is that the china-fication of everything got consumers addicted to the fact that things shouldn't cost more than XX amount. And it's amazing to watch how that mindset has dribbled everywhere from clothing to even cars that aren't built with the materials they used to be.

Could I have afforded the 141 when it was 7000.00? Probably not, but that means I had to earn the 7k or wait until it was a floor model or something at which point I would have acquired one closer to the dealer's cost etc. But I still would have paid a considerable amount and plenty of people, were they not hit over the head with cheap LEDs probably would have continued to pay the first adopter pricing to keep those products going. That thing that is currently serving as my avatar is what I consider kind of the culmination of all that '80s over-the-topness in electronics. It is a Yamaha CX-10000 pre-amp. Part of the entire "10000" series of ultra ridiculously priced gear Yamaha introduced for an anniversary special. And the greatest irony is that back then 3, 4, 5, 10k was a lot more than it is today... Yet things like that DID find their way into homes, even if the production was limited.

I guess I'm just living in the past :/
post #2649 of 3258
Understandable perspective given the demands for lower and lower prices. This was the highest price I'd paid for a receiver (~$700), and it SRP'd above $1k, I'm fairly sure).
post #2650 of 3258
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Understandable perspective given the demands for lower and lower prices. This was the highest price I'd paid for a receiver (~$700), and it SRP'd above $1k, I'm fairly sure).

If this is what you have then that is still a pretty nice piece of machinery, and I just looked... Pioneer SRP was actually 1800.



Anyhow, dragging the thread off track again. Now back to our regularly scheduled VT pricing program smile.gif
post #2651 of 3258
You know what is funny, is that from November (when I started to look) until I bought the TV (in early December) that at Best Buy, was that the 65VT60 was always less expensive (for the same size) than the 65ST60. And everyone knows that the VT should have been hundreds more than the ST. Getting mine for $2000 (after a January price match), and now they can't be found, well I feel happy/lucky/pleased.

I have an October 2013 Consumer Reports magazine, and they have a rankings of top tvs.
#1 is 65VT50, $2900, 81 score.
#2 is 60GT50, $1800, 77 score.
#3 is 60ST50, $1700, 77 score.
#4 is 65VT60, $3400, 73 score.
#7 is 60ST60, $1500, 72 score.
(I am sure the scores are weighted by several factors, including price)
post #2652 of 3258
How arbitrary...
post #2653 of 3258
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

I was trying to think of which Pioneer division still builds high end equipment anymore and I forgot about the DJ division. I'm sure that stuff is designed to withstand rigorous abuse.

I'm sure your SC-05 is a perfectly fine receiver, and certainly it wipes the floor with mine as far as modern features (I don't even have HDMI), but it's the outright over the top stuff that Pioneer did at one time or another that really drew me to them as a brand. Ironically, drew me to them enough to give my '90s Bang and Olufsen gear to my brother. I say ironic since ICE came from B&O. The problem is that the china-fication of everything got consumers addicted to the fact that things shouldn't cost more than XX amount. And it's amazing to watch how that mindset has dribbled everywhere from clothing to even cars that aren't built with the materials they used to be.

Could I have afforded the 141 when it was 7000.00? Probably not, but that means I had to earn the 7k or wait until it was a floor model or something at which point I would have acquired one closer to the dealer's cost etc. But I still would have paid a considerable amount and plenty of people, were they not hit over the head with cheap LEDs probably would have continued to pay the first adopter pricing to keep those products going. That thing that is currently serving as my avatar is what I consider kind of the culmination of all that '80s over-the-topness in electronics. It is a Yamaha CX-10000 pre-amp. Part of the entire "10000" series of ultra ridiculously priced gear Yamaha introduced for an anniversary special. And the greatest irony is that back then 3, 4, 5, 10k was a lot more than it is today... Yet things like that DID find their way into homes, even if the production was limited.

I guess I'm just living in the past :/

I was curious about pricing of the Kuro Pro-111FD and Pro-151FD and discovered that in late 2009, roughly a year after Pioneer exited the plasma industry, you could find NIB displays for $2500 and $4500, respectively. Had I known that I would have been very tempted to get a 111FD.

You can always get the 111FD from Mom and Pop Store for the lowly sum of $199,997.97. eek.gif

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CE0594/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
post #2654 of 3258
What a maroon. I imagine he'd try charging $400k for the 101FD or 500M.
post #2655 of 3258
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Originally Posted by Playdrv4me View Post

If this is what you have then that is still a pretty nice piece of machinery, and I just looked... Pioneer SRP was actually 1800.



Anyhow, dragging the thread off track again. Now back to our regularly scheduled VT pricing program smile.gif

I had an SC-05 for awhile it was a very pretty looking piece of equipment. Although it was a great receiver, I sold it for a Denon 4311. Audyssey is that much better than MCACC biggrin.gif;)
post #2656 of 3258
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

I had an SC-05 for awhile it was a very pretty looking piece of equipment. Although it was a great receiver, I sold it for a Denon 4311. Audyssey is that much better than MCACC biggrin.gif;)

All of them are a great centerpiece of the modern connected entertainment center and for those who really enjoy and utilize their surround capabilities to the fullest.

I, on the other hand, have to always be the statistical outlier who uses his surround sound receiver as nothing more than a nice 2 channel amp for my circa-1990 JBL XPL-140s, with the potential to bi-amp should I ever want to do so. That's what attracted to me to my 49TX to begin with. I was originally trying to hunt down some late '80s/early '90s Pioneer preamp and amp separates and one day just got frustrated trying to find two sellers that would give me a good enough deal on the two pieces I wanted without having any damage or crazy shipping charges etc.

Then I remembered having been in Bjorn's home theater in San Antonio at some point when the 49TX came out and remembering how expensive it was, how heavy it was, and how well constructed and nice it sounded. So I took a brief browse of ebay and found one in pristine condition with the original box, manual, MCACC mic (and this was the FIRST MCACC, not even advanced) and that crazy touchscreen remote thing and I picked it up for 380 bucks. Sure there's a lot of excess crap in that box, but the amplifier section in this thing is *SOLID*, and that's all I cared about as I don't use any of the sound shaping or processing features (sacrilege). Like most receivers, it probably loses efficiency and output with all channels driven, but the most I'd ever use is 4 (because you can use your rear surround channels to bi-amp your speakers). I love this old thing.

My DV-L90 Laserdisc/DVD combo player was an even better deal. I woke up one morning and found it sitting next to the dumpster at our apartment complex, sitting neatly to the side with its manual and some CD changer remote sitting right on top of it, which I thought was amusing. Brought it inside, dusted it off, connected it and it worked fine. Hopefully people will keep throwing out more good '90s electronics.
post #2657 of 3258
Looks like Amazon has put some more of their returns up for sell. Amazon Warehouse currently has several Panasonic TC-P65VT60s in stock. Some of them are in pristine condition. There is even a used like new one.
post #2658 of 3258

$2,200 for a 60"  Looks in excellent condition. it appears legit and is in the Pittsburgh Area.

 

 

http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/ele/4304609272.html

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Originally Posted by jdsmoooth View Post

$2,200 for a 60"  Looks in excellent condition. it appears legit and is in the Pittsburgh Area.


http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/ele/4304609272.html

I know supplies are getting short, and its coming down to the last few, so sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but for comparison I just paid $2,199 for a 60ZT, new, from BBuy. Also, while its nice that a calibration is offered, it will become useless once the panel settles after the first 300hrs or so. I would hope that the seller would not charge for the calibration at this point.
post #2660 of 3258
Father in law was wanting one of these - he actually is replacing an old panny G series (from like 2008 I think). Jumped on one of the warehouse deals, 65'' VT60. Prestine condition. 2200.
post #2661 of 3258
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

I had an SC-05 for awhile it was a very pretty looking piece of equipment. Although it was a great receiver, I sold it for a Denon 4311. Audyssey is that much better than MCACC biggrin.gif;)
There isn't universal agreement on that, but I'm glad you're happy with what you have.
post #2662 of 3258
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Originally Posted by DvdJags View Post

Looks like Amazon has put some more of their returns up for sell. Amazon Warehouse currently has several Panasonic TC-P65VT60s in stock. Some of them are in pristine condition. There is even a used like new one.

Thanks for the heads up!! Just nabbed a 60VT60 for $1700 in "Very good" condition. They had two listed, one of which was also in very good condition, but supposedly had a scratch on the screen. I'm hoping that there were actually two and that they didn't just list the same one twice.

Hopefully it arrives in the same condition. biggrin.gif
post #2663 of 3258
I just grabbed one of the "pristine" 65 inch TVs. Hopefully this is true but if not i can always send back.

I can't believe they are selling some with cracks in the glass and scratches for $2,000. I better not get one of those.
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Originally Posted by jugger View Post

I just grabbed one of the "pristine" 65 inch TVs. Hopefully this is true but if not i can always send back.

I can't believe they are selling some with cracks in the glass and scratches for $2,000. I better not get one of those.

I had to chuckle at those too. The prices I actually saw were like 2130 for one with scratches, 2205 for "prestine". Easiest 75 buck decision you'll ever have.
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Originally Posted by chi_hawks_23 View Post

I had to chuckle at those too. The prices I actually saw were like 2130 for one with scratches, 2205 for "prestine". Easiest 75 buck decision you'll ever have.

Even some with bad pixels. At least they are honest.
post #2666 of 3258

At this point in their scarcity, although it is not what anyone wants to do, it's either go for a "used, good/very good" or pay exorbitant prices from either Moe's AV, Walt's, Crawford's or Zifto Trading.

 

I know it's a roll of the dice either way.  What poison would you prefer?  :confused:

 

Look at it this way - at least there is an opportunity to snag one before they're all gone. ;)

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Odd, it won't ship to every zipcode I've tried. This is just for a few locals. If anyone finds stock please post here.
post #2669 of 3258
Will ship to store, area code 02726
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Originally Posted by MrChad View Post

Yeah, and I'm sure Amazon will eventually figure that out and cancel my order outright. Still, there was 1 supposedly in stock when I checked out, so perhaps that mythical unit will be found and magically delivered to my house in the next week smile.gif

My 65vt60 from Amazon that was planned for delivery 1/31 has been delayed. They could not tell me for how long, but they were seemingly confident they had another shipment coming in a few weeks.
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