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So, I'm revamping my home theater and audio distribution system, but not opening up any walls, etc. I'm replacing my current Denon with a new AVR-3313 which has 3 zones. The plan is for Zone 1 to be the home theater, and Zone 2 to be the audio distribution zone. The way I have my setup right now, I have Zone 2 in my current reciever feeding an 8 zone speaker selector to various pairs of speakers inside and outside the house.

However, with the AVR-3313, one the attractive features is the Denon app and the ability to control everything for streaming music from my phone or tablet. However, I don't want to go into the A/V cabinet every time I want to turn a zone off or on or adjust the volumne on a zone. The Denon will let me control the OVERALL volume for the Zone 2 from the remote app, but not each individual "sub zone".

So, I did a search for a multi zone speaker selector with volume control and the ability to connect to my WIFI network so I can control it via my phone and/or tablet. However, I couldn't find anything like that. Even the ATON DLA6 doesn't seem to have individual zone volume controls nor can you connect it to the network. Yes, it does have a remote and you can use a remote app to control it (or program it into my Logitech 1100) but it still doesn't get me what I want. I don't want the volume to be the same in the kitchen as it is on the deck (nope, I don't have volume controls in each zone, plus i want to be able to do this via remote).

Does this exist? Am I unreasonable in asking for this device? A speaker selector that I can control volume/on/off (per zone) from one screen on a mobile device?

I can now see the appeal of having a Sonos AMP Connect in each zone as that would give me everything I want PLUS the ability to select any source I want for each zone, not that I would do that, but still. The Sonos app is so sweet, lettting you see each zone on one screen and contorling on/off/volume/source, but at $500 per amp, that's a little steep.

There has got to be a better solution and I just thaven't come across it.

Please help if you have any suggestions!
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So, I did a search for a multi zone speaker selector with volume control and the ability to connect to my WIFI network so I can control it via my phone and/or tablet. However, I couldn't find anything like that.

And you won't. With that many zones and the very reasonable desire to control volume independently, you need a whole house audio (WHA) system for those 8 zones. A WHA system would also give you considerably more flexibility in terms of selecting sources in different rooms, turning rooms on/off easily without having to adjust volume in every other zone, etc.
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Even the ATON DLA6 doesn't seem to have individual zone volume controls

Sure is does, through any of the control methods.
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nor can you connect it to the network.

Not directly, but can be rigged up via an iTach and iRule.
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I can now see the appeal of having a Sonos AMP Connect in each zone as that would give me everything I want PLUS the ability to select any source I want for each zone, not that I would do that, but still. The Sonos app is so sweet, lettting you see each zone on one screen and contorling on/off/volume/source, but at $500 per amp, that's a little steep.

Can be done for less with an HTD system, but won't be as elegant.
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There has got to be a better solution and I just thaven't come across it.

The NuVo P3100 (or a couple of them) would do great, but, like the Sonos, will be about $500/zone. So yes, there are solutions available, but they aren't anywhere as cheap as a simple speaker selector - and the difference in functionality justifies it...

Jeff
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If I understood correctly, I have a similar setup to what you are looking for. I have an AVR that feeds my DLA-6. I don't have (nor did I want) individual volume controls for each of the zones of the DLA-6. However, I am able to control the volumes of all the DLA-6 zones independently. I am running iRule on my Android phone. I have a hardware device (GlobalCache) that acts as a WiFi - IR bridge that translates commands from my iRule interface to the IR input on the back of the DLA-6. The setup works well
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If I understood correctly, I have a similar setup to what you are looking for. I have an AVR that feeds my DLA-6. I don't have (nor did I want) individual volume controls for each of the zones of the DLA-6. However, I am able to control the volumes of all the DLA-6 zones independently. I am running iRule on my Android phone. I have a hardware device (GlobalCache) that acts as a WiFi - IR bridge that translates commands from my iRule interface to the IR input on the back of the DLA-6. The setup works well

Yeah, that! You'd also need the GC Xantech compatibility cable to connect the devices together.
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Thanks guys. Both of your responses are very informative.

I didn't realize that the DLA6 offers volume control of each zone individually from the remote. That's big! This would work great. iRule does seem quite detailed. I would probably only use it for controling the DLA6 as I can control the source volume and input from the Denon App directly. The last piece of the puzzle would just be controlling the DLA6 remotely, which your method seems to do great!

I'm not familiar with the Global Cache iTach. Is that basically a device that takes "signals" from wifi and "converts" them to IR signals for each device in my HT? Does the device have to have an IR in?

Jautor, I didn't follow your last comment about the cable? What's that? Just the wire that goes from the iTach to the DLA?

Thanks guys!
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Originally Posted by midfiman View Post

I didn't realize that the DLA6 offers volume control of each zone individually from the remote. That's big! This would work great. iRule does seem quite detailed. I would probably only use it for controling the DLA6 as I can control the source volume and input from the Denon App directly. The last piece of the puzzle would just be controlling the DLA6 remotely, which your method seems to do great!

The DLA line also has an RF remote option, which, while not being "an app" solution, is very straightforward and simple. If you go down the iRule path (or any other app-based solution), realize that you'll be switching apps to deal with that.
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I'm not familiar with the Global Cache iTach. Is that basically a device that takes "signals" from wifi and "converts" them to IR signals for each device in my HT? Does the device have to have an IR in?

It's an IP to IR "gateway". The outputs are generally for IR emitters / blasters that are stuck onto the the front panels of the controlled components. For the Aton products, it needs to be wired into one of the IR inputs. And there's some compatibility issues with the GC products in this regard:
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Jautor, I didn't follow your last comment about the cable? What's that? Just the wire that goes from the iTach to the DLA?

It's a conversion cable to get the IR levels to be compatible with other products. Some products will accept the lower levels produced by the iTach, but the Aton products will not.

Jeff
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Thanks!
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