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Want a projector with deep blacks, on a budget though!

post #1 of 21
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I currently have a panasonic P55st30 and it obviously has amazing blacks so I tried to get into the projector game for a 100 inch screen so I bought a elite manual screen and a optoma gt750e gaming projector but the blacks are terrible! I expected it to be good but it's just gray and washed out! Only reason I got that one was because I need a short throw projector because my space is VERY limited so the .73:1 was perfect

SO MY QUESTION IS, can you guys guide me to a somewhat short throw projector under a max of $1000-1500 with better blacks and even 1080p if possible? I'm not expecting theater quality blacks but just something better. I know this is a single chip DLP and I saw a three chip DLP Epson at the tigerdirect.com store and I almost snagged it because people say those are the best but I wanted to check with the pros on here if you can guide me to a nice DLP projector with deep blacks under $1500 tops

thanks!! 3D and 1080p are a plus for sure.
post #2 of 21
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What do you guys think of the Acer H6510BD ? sounds amazing!
post #3 of 21
Would the throw ratio of 1.15 - 1.5 be ok? If you need a throw ratio comparable to the GT750, have a look at the Benq W1080ST: 0.69-0.83:1
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by SiggUA View Post

Would the throw ratio of 1.15 - 1.5 be ok? If you need a throw ratio comparable to the GT750, have a look at the Benq W1080ST: 0.69-0.83:1

Any ratio under 1.3 but that's the tops tops I can do.

Ok ill google and research that Benq thanks.

BTW, I'll be using it in a room where it has controlled lighting and it will be mainly used when it's pitch black so lumens arent a issue for me, for example this optoma is way too bright for my set up, I have to set the brightness at -8 and use the eco lamp mode to get decent saturation.
Edited by kevinlg - 4/28/13 at 8:05am
post #5 of 21
The advantage of the Acer H6510BD is a lot of brightness for 3D. For 2D you can switch to eco mode, switch off brilliant color and if this is not enough, use a ND2 filter or a low gain screen. If you set the focus on 3D the Acer is definitively not a bad choice.
post #6 of 21
I posted my impressions of the Acer H6510BD here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450405/acer-h6510bd-fullhd-3d-dlp-dc3-for-under-1000/210

Not a bad projector for $629 shipped. It does put out a lot of light even in ECO mode with BrilliantColor off, but as SiggUA points out, there are ways to tame this if it proves too much for your room. I would always prefer to tame light than not have enough.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by SiggUA View Post

The advantage of the Acer H6510BD is a lot of brightness for 3D. For 2D you can switch to eco mode, switch off brilliant color and if this is not enough, use a ND2 filter or a low gain screen. If you set the focus on 3D the Acer is definitively not a bad choice.

Well I want deep blacks and on all the reviews I read people say how theyre surprised how deep they are and there's even a setting to make them deeper which is awesome. The input lag is less than 17ms so it will be fine for gaming as well, I'm just worried if the colors will be too washed out

anyone have any hands on with it?
post #8 of 21
Why dlp, they lag behind everything else for black levels.
post #9 of 21
If you really think you're gonna get "deep blacks" from a $629 projector, you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment.
post #10 of 21
The reality is that for an average consumer black level is very subjective and as such opinions on 'deep blacks' with an inexpensive projector are going to be all over the map.

There are people out there that just love their HD20's yet it has some of the worst black level I have ever seen.

The phrase "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" comes to mind here. wink.gif

Jason
post #11 of 21
I know it's getting kind of old, but I say the Mits. HC4000.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by ratpacker View Post

If you really think you're gonna get "deep blacks" from a $629 projector, you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment.

better blacks than the one I have now....
post #13 of 21
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Why dlp, they lag behind everything else for black levels.

I thought LCD projectors had gray-like blacks and LEDs are garbage, wanna suggest something better then?
post #14 of 21
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I know it's getting kind of old, but I say the Mits. HC4000.

the throw ratio is way too much for me sorry. I have a tiny bedroom but I will be upgrading to a bigger house/bedroom in november.
post #15 of 21
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the throw ratio is way too much for me sorry. I have a tiny bedroom but I will be upgrading to a bigger house/bedroom in november.

Maybe the best option would be to wait till your in the bigger house? "I thought LCD projectors had gray-like blacks" isn't really a true statement, as some lcd pj's in the $2-3k range can have very good black levels. However you statement would be more accurate when referring to the lower priced units. Can the Benq 1070 work in that setup. Some have had good results with it, especially if you add a ND filter to lower the brightness some? Best of luck in your search.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by kevinlg View Post

I thought LCD projectors had gray-like blacks and LEDs are garbage, wanna suggest something better then?

Negative, lcos and lcds will hammer a dlp.


If you really want perfect blacks for cheap, CRT is your only option. People are giving them away.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

Maybe the best option would be to wait till your in the bigger house? "I thought LCD projectors had gray-like blacks" isn't really a true statement, as some lcd pj's in the $2-3k range can have very good black levels. However you statement would be more accurate when referring to the lower priced units. Can the Benq 1070 work in that setup. Some have had good results with it, especially if you add a ND filter to lower the brightness some? Best of luck in your search.

I dont want theater like blacks, I know I won't get that. I just want better blacks than what my optoma is giving me now. I don't want to spend 3k on something I will barely use.
post #18 of 21
Theater blacks aren't very good really. It's an illusion.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by Verge2 View Post

Theater blacks aren't very good really. It's an illusion.

well wanna give me the trick to doing that illusion ?
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
pulled the plug on the acer, free two day shipping so HOPEFULLY itll be here by thursday/friday.

im excited!
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by kevinlg View Post

well wanna give me the trick to doing that illusion ?

Really bright, really big. The ambient light in a theater is considerably brighter in a theater than my home which helps the illusion.
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