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post #61 of 164
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Originally Posted by Harmon Fan View Post

I went back to Best Buy last week. Apparently, they have all of the HK Receivers back in stock, but they are all on sale. The AVR 1710 was $375. I guess I was wrong about them getting out of the HK business. Maybe BB is blowing out their stock for some reason. Anyway, I was actually able to listen to it compared to several receivers in a BB with a sound room (not magnolia) located in Durham, NC. The HK blew away any of the other receivers there, including some that were much more expensive.

Its a game Best Buy (and other retailers) play with the major CE brands...
Since the market is depressed Best Buy can dictate the purchase terms that brand must match..
Such as discounts for payment, advertising allowances, display models, returns..
Here Best Buy merchandise manager levers the HK brand to either meet certain terms that another competitive brand is offering...
Or else.. They will reduce their purchases, or even kick the brand out..

Note that the 10 series HK AVRs were built primarily for Best Buy, unfortunately their sales to date are far below the original projections. Next Best Buy requested further price discounts and reluctantly HK gave in..
In todays' depressed market, there are no other national, big box retailers that compare to Best Buy as they have over 625 stores..
Circuit City, Good Guys are gone...
There is Walmart, Target but they can only can sell the lowest end.. And the lowest end does't generate profits for the brands, in most instances they are loss leaders..

Just my $0.05... 👍😉
post #62 of 164
Reviewers say that HK AV Receivers are overpriced due to them not havin tons of features. Most of these features just try to mask amplifier deficiencies and alot of times make the sound worse. People read these reviews and don't buy an HK receiver. Most people are clueless. If they sat down and listened to an HK and compared it to other brands they would hear the difference and the quality of the HK sound. I own an HK 2700. There is absolutely no comparison to my previous 2 av receivers I've had: Pioneer VSX-1120, Yamaha rx-v 663. The HK blows them away, sounds as good with music as a discrete 2 channel amp. The Pio and Yam sound not to good with music, ok with movies but hurt my ears at higher volumes. The HK is excellent with music and very good with movies. The Hk actually sounds even better with the room correction off, proves the amplifiers quality. Would't think of turning it off on a YAMAHA OR PIONEER, the sound would be terrible. The dolby volume in the HK is excellent . If people would stop listening to reviewers and allow their ears do the judgement HK sales would boom,
post #63 of 164

Hi everyone.  I recently purchased the HK AVR 1710.  The sound for movies and music is absolutely amazing compared to my old Yamaha.  The auto feature changes to the most optimum sound processing that matches the source seamlessly.  I purchased this receiver knowing the quality of the HK vs most other brands.  I overlooked the fact that this receiver was not wifi capable like the competitive offerings of Yamaha or Sony.  I am trying to use a Netgear WNCE2001 to connect the ethernet port to wireless connectivity of this device.  It says and the support people claim that this can connect with any ethernet port on any device after it is set up.  I can connect my laptop to the internet with awesome speeds on this device.  I also connected it to an old desktop that does not have wireless and it connected without me having to do anything because of it being setup already on my laptop.  I have tried every type of connection with the receiver, with multiple variations on DHCP vs Static that would still route within the existing wireless network.  Again, it connected perfectly with all of these settings on my pc.  I specifically asked the support person if there was anything else I had to do special when connecting it to anything that did not have an O/S but had an ethernet port.  He claimed that there was nothing to do after it was set up.  I cannot get it to work with the HK.  Has anyone had any good experience using this or any other network adapter like this to wirelessly connect the HK 1710 model to a home network??  Netgear's support was useless and told me that connecting it to an AVR was out of his support boundaries.....I would have hit him if we were talking in person.  On the box it actually says, "Universal WiFi adapter for Smart TV and Bluray players."  The store rep and the support moron said it would work with anything that had an ethernet port.  Any ideas that would help??  Even if it is another adapter that specifically works on the 1710?

post #64 of 164
I recently upgraded to all three models in this line, the 1510 paired with a UN40F6300, 1610 paired with a UN46F6300 and the 1710 paired with a UF55F6300. I'm very happy with them, the ARC works seamlessly. Having said that, I have only been able to get the vTuner to work on the 1710. The 1510 and 1610 don't want to play. The Media Server function works as advertised, but I don't use it. I used the power line Ethernet adapters without issue. The vTuner issue isn't a deal breaker for me as the Samsung TV's all have Spotify and Media Server function built in. I will say, the TVS and Receivers have Android remote control apps. I can be anywhere in the house, and control every device from my phone. I'm in love.
post #65 of 164
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Originally Posted by heresnowhy View Post

I recently upgraded to all three models in this line, the 1510 paired with a UN40F6300, 1610 paired with a UN46F6300 and the 1710 paired with a UF55F6300. I'm very happy with them, the ARC works seamlessly. Having said that, I have only been able to get the vTuner to work on the 1710. The 1510 and 1610 don't want to play. The Media Server function works as advertised, but I don't use it. I used the power line Ethernet adapters without issue. The vTuner issue isn't a deal breaker for me as the Samsung TV's all have Spotify and Media Server function built in. I will say, the TVS and Receivers have Android remote control apps. I can be anywhere in the house, and control every device from my phone. I'm in love.


Do you know if these particular models would work if I used another router like a switch or bridge to get more access to ports?  I have all of the ethernet ports full on my existing router.  That is why I went for the wireless solution first.  If I can set up an older router that I have as a switch or bridge with these, I might just go for it.

 

Thank you very much for your input, and thank you for being someone that has the particular model in question and for such a concise and professional answer.  Much appreciated!!


Edited by mineralgraygt - 10/15/13 at 7:08pm
post #66 of 164
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Originally Posted by Paulo72 View Post

Reviewers say that HK AV Receivers are overpriced due to them not havin tons of features. Most of these features just try to mask amplifier deficiencies and alot of times make the sound worse. People read these reviews and don't buy an HK receiver. Most people are clueless. If they sat down and listened to an HK and compared it to other brands they would hear the difference and the quality of the HK sound. I own an HK 2700. There is absolutely no comparison to my previous 2 av receivers I've had: Pioneer VSX-1120, Yamaha rx-v 663. The HK blows them away, sounds as good with music as a discrete 2 channel amp. The Pio and Yam sound not to good with music, ok with movies but hurt my ears at higher volumes. The HK is excellent with music and very good with movies. The Hk actually sounds even better with the room correction off, proves the amplifiers quality. Would't think of turning it off on a YAMAHA OR PIONEER, the sound would be terrible. The dolby volume in the HK is excellent . If people would stop listening to reviewers and allow their ears do the judgement HK sales would boom,


This is very true indeed.  So many people get caught up in numbers and how much "boom" something has instead of really thinking about what is really important.  The thing that I put HK in my first thought for selection is how loud can I listen to it without degrading the sound quality.  For this price-point, I cannot find anything else that would be even close to as clear at half of its capacity.  Listening to a quality system like this, or even better models, you hear things in songs and movies that other people didn't even know existed.   People will call you a liar when you tell them what you heard that they don't believe exists after watching their favorite movie 100 times until proven wrong.

 

Even if your post sounds a little biased, there is much reason substantiated many times over by "reliable" sources.

post #67 of 164
Mineral,

On two of the units, the 1510 and 1710, I'm using a switch off of the power line adapter to connect the units. I chose this route over wifi for the tv's when I had the option to hard wire them. So far so good, everything installed easily and is fully functional save for vTuner, which no matter how I connect doesn't want to work.
post #68 of 164
I will add one thing. No matter how unfounded this feeling is, I can't seem to shake it. It's not enough to make me regret switching out to the HK line, as I have had great success in the past with their offerings, but something seems unfinished, or slightly off about them. It may be nothing, but having removed a Yamaha RX-V 1065 an RX-V 863 and an Onkyo TX SR 608 and dropped these three units in their place, it feels like I dropped in lesser equipment in their places. Performance has been exceptional, but the feeling still remains.
post #69 of 164
I previously owned a pioneer vsx-1120 and before that a Yamaha RX-v 663. Something was missing. I just wasn't happy. I had read bad reviews on HK receivers. I then read a few reviews and decided to give HK a try with my fingers crossed. It was the best decision I ever made. Most complain because they don't have all of the wothless gimmicks which you pay for and never use. Most just ruin the sound. I run my HK 2700 with the ez set/eq turned off, sounds as if I am at a live concert. Most AV receivers sound terrible with room correction turned off, not HK. I think it opens up the sound. The dynamics and detail are improved, plus bass puchier. For TV Logic 7 is King. Sometimes it can be a bit bass heavy. I tried everything with the pio to improve the sound, never got it to my liking. HK was sweet sound from the first day. Now that I've adjusted slightly the distances, crossover points and levels (SPL Meter), it's sonic Nirvana. It also just happens to be the best looking AV receiver available. The JBL Studio 5 speakers with the HK 2700 are a perfect match. I've even read a review where someone borrowed his friends HK 3700, liked it so much that he sold his Denon 4520 and purchased the HK. That tells you something about the HK sound. cool.gif
Edited by Paulo72 - 10/16/13 at 2:56pm
post #70 of 164
It's been over a week now. I've listened mostly to the 1510 in the home office at moderate to low volumes. The 1610 is in the bedroom, I'm still trying to adjust dialogue to the appropriate level to hear without waking the misses. The 1710 is in the living room. I live in a flat in downtown Cincinnati, all the rooms have 25 foot ceilings. The 1710 is holding it's own in this massive space. I've selected the Height Presence speakers vs. the 7.2 setup I had with the Yamaha it replaced. At this point, any and all reservations I had about these AVRs were completely unfounded. Aside from the vTuner just flat out refusing to work on two of the units, I am very satisfied with the sound quality. ARC works wonderfully with the Samsung F6300's switching between modes automatically without additional remote control commands. My network is a little overwhelming now, with three laptops, a desktop, three receivers, two cell phones, two tablets and three tvs all showing up now and talking to each other. But back to the HK's, I'm happy with them. No. I'm thrilled with them.
post #71 of 164

I really appreciate the feedback I have already gotten heresno...I went to both manufacturers to see if the setup would work with the Netgear.  I even considered leaving my laptop in place and do internet sharing with it.  I think even without the internet feature it would be more than I want out of a receiver.  I have had a little trickier time with the ARC function with my Wii through my Toshiba LED, but I am sure it is the TV.  I have found that the Toshiba LED that I purchased is one beautiful piece of artwork when you are watching it, but is complete garbage to get things to work right.  My other two Samsungs were pretty much plug and play.  However, I have to be fair about the comparison, because I was only running sound through my Yamaha before.  I am, and always will be, a cheap skate.  I had the same Yamaha for over 10 years, and got spoiled to the simplicity.

 

Thank you again for your very detailed responses about what you like vs not!!!

post #72 of 164

To Heresnowhy..

 

 Im also thinking to get a HK AVR 1510 for my small room. But, I see one strange omission : Equalizer and I wondered ..what the hec.... Even a 20$ media stick has equalizier now.

 

Hence I would  to know, as a user, do you feel the lack of sound equalization in the system. Is there any other sound presets provided in the menu to over come this  (classic, reggae, country, movies ...sort ) of ? 

 

Please let me know

Swamy

post #73 of 164
HI, im current'y on the market for a new AVR and was considering the HK 1700, the 1710 and the Yamaha 673 and 675. I would love to get your input on the pros/cons of each considering the 1700 and 673 are almost 200 dollars cheaper. I will be using them with CA Minx speakers and mainly for TV, Music use.

Thanks!
post #74 of 164
Sorry for the delay, I've been out of town. To answer your question on the AVR 1510, I don't use the EQ on the 1610 or the 1710 so it sounds just like the others to me, which is fantastic. Being the 1510 is in my office, it gets used the most and I've taken to its sound with the cheap Polk TSI 300's connected to it. So much so, that I disconnected the subwoofer. I did run the EZ EQ on the 16 and 17, but only retained the speaker distance settings out of it.


edit: You can adjust the tone ie. Bass/Treble for each source independently in the setup menu, which I though was a nice feature to make a small cut on a bass heavy source allowing others to remain flat.
Edited by heresnowhy - 10/29/13 at 10:10am
post #75 of 164

Heresno,

 

I have a quick, or atleast I hope quick, question about internet.  I have went through a couple of wireless adapters that did not work.  I have a EOP device on the way.  My friend bought the same receiver, but was waiting on me to find a good solution before he tried.  When my second device failed, he went and purchased an EOP.  He lives in an apartment, so I advised him that it might not work just due to the age of the wiring and being an apartment.  My wiring should be fine to support it.  I even went so far as the verify that the GFI circuits in my house were the right manufacturer having been previously verified as supporting EOP.  I know you said that vtuner was not working on any of them.  My "very" simple question is, "how were you able to verify connectivity?"  Was it drawing a correct IP address, or the home network functioning, DLNA shows up as being capable?? I just want to be sure that there is some milestone where you can call it "working" even when vtuner fails, so that I am not banging my head against the wall for nothing.

 

Thanks a million already!!

post #76 of 164
Again, sorry for the delay. I troubleshot every possible issue before throwing in the towel as I had no intention of using vTuner. I plugged the receiver directly into my router, tried my power line adapters...nothing seemed to get it to work. It could have been me for all I know? It just says "vTuner: empty." The DLNA and Home Network server work fine on all three units, even when vTuner worn't . vTuner works perfectly on my 1710 and always has. The 1610 and 1510 refuse to. Also, the Bluetooth function is rather weak. If I'm moving about in the same room, the connection gets choppy quickly. I have to pair it, hit play on the phone, and set it down.
post #77 of 164
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Originally Posted by mineralgraygt View Post


This is very true indeed.  So many people get caught up in numbers and how much "boom" something has instead of really thinking about what is really important.  The thing that I put HK in my first thought for selection is how loud can I listen to it without degrading the sound quality.  For this price-point, I cannot find anything else that would be even close to as clear at half of its capacity.  Listening to a quality system like this, or even better models, you hear things in songs and movies that other people didn't even know existed.   People will call you a liar when you tell them what you heard that they don't believe exists after watching their favorite movie 100 times until proven wrong.

Even if your post sounds a little biased, there is much reason substantiated many times over by "reliable" sources.

I'm with you 100%. I hear things now I didn't hear before. The detail is sweet. When watching a movie, I'm enveloped by sound. The definition and the detail in even the quiet sounds are all there. I love my 2700. (and this is with the room correction switched off. Why do I need to correct the sound when there is nothing to correct. Maybe other AV Receivers need to improve their amplification, but I am happy with my HK with just straight amplification, allowing the D/A Converters and the surround sound modes to do their thing). People may disagree but who cares. Don't know why, but HK is far more popular outside the US, have found many more reviews for the HK 270 {220V model) online.
Edited by Paulo72 - 11/13/13 at 9:03am
post #78 of 164
I just got a HK 1710 to replace my troublesome Denon.

So far so good......not as feature rich as the Denon but the sound is really better IMO. My last AVR before Denon was a HK so went back to them smile.gif

I have one question concerning powering off the AVR.

For some reason my Harmony Control activities do not power it off.

I think it has to do with the annoying press-to-hold to power off but i have tried setting that up on the Harmony with no luck.

Anyone else have issues with Harmony and these HK AVRS?
post #79 of 164
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Originally Posted by RafaelSmith View Post

I just got a HK 1710 to replace my troublesome Denon.

So far so good......not as feature rich as the Denon but the sound is really better IMO. My last AVR before Denon was a HK so went back to them smile.gif

I have one question concerning powering off the AVR.

For some reason my Harmony Control activities do not power it off.

I think it has to do with the annoying press-to-hold to power off but i have tried setting that up on the Harmony with no luck.

Anyone else have issues with Harmony and these HK AVRS?

Sounds like you made a programming error on the Harmony..
Are you aware when bringing up an activity on a HK AVR NO Power ON code is required...
The AVR is turned ON by selecting the target source input.

Just my $0.05.... 👍😉
post #80 of 164
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

Sounds like you made a programming error on the Harmony..
Are you aware when bringing up an activity on a HK AVR NO Power ON code is required...
The AVR is turned ON by selecting the target source input.

Just my $0.05.... 👍😉

Yeah I knew that I fixed the activities.

The problem is not with turning it on or it going to the correct input its with powering off.

Maybe I need to play with the harmony delay settings because If i do a Help on the Harmony then select Power Off it works so i believe the Power Off command is good .........it might just be happening to fast during shutdown of activity.
post #81 of 164
In my experience...
We have been using Harmony remote controls with HK AVRs for many, many years..
They are simple to program and their data base device library is very good...
If you are having problems, I would suggest that you reset the remote and start over.
It is very easy to make an error and/or desire to make a change over the original entries...


Just my $0.05... 👍😉
post #82 of 164
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

In my experience...
We have been using Harmony remote controls with HK AVRs for many, many years..
They are simple to program and their data base device library is very good...
If you are having problems, I would suggest that you reset the remote and start over.
It is very easy to make an error and/or desire to make a change over the original entries...


Just my $0.05... 👍😉

Any idea if there is a discrete POWER OFF code for HK instead of the "have to press/hold PWR button for 5+ sec" to turn OFF?

That seems to be the issue.......everything else works fine but since on this unit pressing PWR just puts unit in "sleep" mode......have to press and hold to turn it off.

Having problems getting that press-and-hold to work via Harmony Control.
post #83 of 164

What are the "real world" differences between the 3700 and the 1710...

 

Or maybe a better comparison is between the 2700 and the 1710?

 

Harman's website is pretty useless.... :(

post #84 of 164
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Originally Posted by HDTVAV View Post

What are the "real world" differences between the 3700 and the 1710...

Or maybe a better comparison is between the 2700 and the 1710?

Harman's website is pretty useless.... frown.gif




According to HK, the 2700 and 3700 have beefier components in their power supplies.
post #85 of 164
Does anyone know of a review that provides actual power output with all channels powered on the 1710?
post #86 of 164
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Originally Posted by Harmon Fan View Post

Does anyone know of a review that provides actual power output with all channels powered on the 1710?

No review needed, EZ to calculate by available power supply..

Power output, 5 channels driven 40W/CH
Power output, 7 channels driven 28W/CH
@1kHz, 6/8 Ohms


Just my $0.05... 👍😉
post #87 of 164
Thanks. How do you figure the output with a digital supply?
post #88 of 164
I had just purchased the 2700 in March and when I saw the 1710 was released I was curious looking at the specs of the 2 receivers side by side. I asked a question to HK and this is the reply I received:
'Both AVR receivers are rated the same. It looks like you are looking at the power consumption, not the channel power. The AVR 2700 is rated at 100 watts per channel, just like the AVR 1710. The AVR 2700 is a higher end amp due to the DACs and processors used.'
Plus looking through the manuals the 2700 has a better GUI and also the 2700 has Dolby Volume which uses alot of processor power which shows you the quality of the 2700. This is the not the cheap Dolby Volume used on some Onkyo AV receivers. This one you calibrate to your speakers (very easily done). Dolby volume alone is worth the extra cost. Plus I like the remote on the 2700 better. it is larger but well laid out and easy to use. Hope this helps? Even the volume at 0 (90%) I still don't hear any distortion. The speakers I use are all 6 ohm (JBL Studio 5)
post #89 of 164
Having owned all three of these for a few months now, I'll update. All three models, the 15, 16 and 1710 are hooked up to 6300 series Samsung Tvs in identical setups, the 1510 to a 40 inch, the 1610 to a 46 and the 1710 to a 55. I use the Samsung remote to control the volume and use ARC on all of them. Works flawlessly. The only issue I can't sort out is the 1610 and the 46 always boot up in TV mode, instead of Cable. I have to use the Harmon remote to change it which is annoying since it's in the bedroom and usually dark. The other two always power up in Cable and are good to go. I haven't put a ton of effort into looking for a menu setting, but I did look and didn't see one. Also the vTuner mysteriously started working an all of them now.....
post #90 of 164
Searched around but couldnt find the answer, can the 1710 bi-amp the front speakers?
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