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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I'll be ordering overnight delivery TODAY:

My rental home CURRENTLY has a dead inFocus X1 (replacement bulb last month so I'm not prepared to order a new bulb just for trouble shooting, mounted from the ceiling with a pretty long armed mount. It's probably about 10' back from a DaLite 4:3 screen but I can't get to the home easily to measure exactly. The room has decent light control with only a window above the front door of the home casting light during the day.

I'm needing to get an immediate replacement projector for the same mount if possible with all of the same configuration and honestly all of this throw and lens ratio stuff is a bit much to absorb under my deadlines.

This is for a rental and replacing a 10 year old projector, so anything is good enough. I'm thinking of the BenQ W1070. I don't really need all that many features and in fact, I'm sending the picture over S-Video to the unit at least for now. HDMI didn't even exist when I was wiring up this theater.

I really need to stay under $1,000 as it's a rental and good enough, is good enough. Today's projectors are a world better than what is in there currently.
post #2 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well, just ordered the BenQ W1070 overnight, AND hired an installer. We'll make it work no matter what. Trying to fit one projector on another's mount.......an exercise in total frustration and wasted effort. It's so much easier to start new.

I guess that's the same theory as to why they just knocked down one of my neighborhood McDonalds and now they're building it right back up.....too much money to renovate.
post #3 of 21
That 1070 has a pretty short throw. I'll be surprised if you just mount it where the old one was and it all works... Going from memory of the pj calculators, I think it's going to be too far from your screen.
post #4 of 21
No info on the actual screen size is given, but at 10' of throw, the size range available to the hoary old X1 was only 66" to 79" diagonal in a 4:3 format. (44" x 58" @ 10' & mid-zoom )

At 10' and 16:9 the image at mid-zoom the image with the 1070 is 52" x 69" however if the zoom is set all the way down a size of 45" x 80" can be obtained.

This is all contingent on the Throw being within 1' either way of 10'...which is totally a unknown factor at present. And...the size of that old screen is the final value that is wholly unknown and cannot be factored in...at all.

The sad part in this all is a dual whammy. No exact details on throw distance and screen size....and no time to really ask for sage advice.

blaclk, you've been a member since 2002...9 months longer than I have, so really....you should know better. The rush is preventing you from making any sort of informed decision, placing you at the mercy of whomever you abruptly chose to do the installation, and you and he are going full speed ahead without either having a clue as to what the issues and possible outcome will entail

Red Flags are waving. The Installer, to have agreed to come over to install a PJ under such circumstances...not even having seen the location....that's crazy, and does not bode well.

You do not mention as to what Mount you chose in the rush....there's that.

You paid for Overnight Delivery...which only means you are willing to spend the extra cash required to be in a rush to be hit with a "This isn't going to work with this Screen...we have to move the mount..or replace the Screen...or the PJ has to be replaced with something else.

Ok...I better stop there...it only gets worse. I hope it's all going to work out...but the odds are not looking good unless your a terror at the Casinos and Rollin' em with all the Chips on the line is your normal way of playing.

Personally, I am sorry that your obvious plea did not elicit a quicker response, but in truth, without any adequate feed-in of information, no one could really advise you in a concise and accurate manner. That probably had much to do with the lack of response. I dwell primarily over on DIY Screens, so my forays onto PJs+/- 3K are less frequent.

Good Luck in Orlando. At least your in close proximity to the Ocean......there is that. Easy enough to drown your disappointment. redface.gif

..................or hit Disney World. Some escapism might be in order by later today. wink.gif

Really though...let us know how it all comes out. We might all be served well by sharing the success that comes with luck in such a obviously uncertain situation....or reminded how such circumstances require at least the most basic level of careful consideration.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

At 10' and 16:9 the image at mid-zoom the image with the 1070 is 52" x 69" however if the zoom is set all the way down a size of 45" x 80" can be obtained.
You're making a mistake here. That would only be true if he was to project 4:3 from the w1070 (which he won't). The narrowest screen he can project on from 10' with the w1070 is 80" wide, 92" diagonal 16:9. He's gonna need a new screen, and one quite a bit larger, if he keep the mount where it was.

From the same distance, he can do 120" diagonal.
post #6 of 21
And why won't he / can't he? The PJ will project the 4:3 (un-masked though...) content sent to it, and.....
...he said he had a 4:3 screen, and made no mention of replacing it. Indeed, he said the PJ had to work under all the existing circumstances.

Also, I stated that he would / could get a 80" wide screen from 10' at minimal zoom.

Pretty straightforward really...and messed up absolutely.

.......but no mistakes. wink.gif

I really feel badly here, and have empathy for his situation. It might be a Train Wreck...or just a Fender bender. If it all works out though....that will be something akin to a miracle.
post #7 of 21
Well, 16" is a lot to mask... And considering the amount of 4:3 source material available, I was just guessing that the 4:3 screen was gonna have to go. If he was gonna stay at 4:3, he coulda saved a truckload of cash by getting a cheaper presentation projector rather than a HT type.
post #8 of 21
It's silly IMO to waste a perfectly good 16:9 image on a 4:3 screen.

I just got my w1070 installed myself with a concrete drill bit into my condo ceiling and it's perfectly positioned, thanks to the Omnimount adjustments. However, I should say, the w1070 is very small for a projector, and I had to be creative to mount the leg binding posts on because the mount is not designed for such a small projector. I almost wish I had chosen another mount, but I need it for a wide angle lens. Just FYI, the w1070 has only three mounting posts. I wouldn't rush installing it, but the guy should be able to do something decent. I'm 100% sure you'll regret placing the projector super close to get a small enough image, it's just too bright. Unless you get an ND filter, which I may. I'm running a 100" 16:9 screen at 8 feet away (max zoom...min is for my A-lens config when I get it)
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
A VERY hearty thank you everyone. Just because I've been on here since the stoneage doesn't mean I know much! There, the self effacing humor......it's not that I don't know better, it's that I'm over worked, over stressed and this is another problem on my pile for the day/week. Today I'm trying to find an electrician to run a service from a sub panel to get me ready for a new pool heater install! It never ends for me here in sunny Floriday (pool water still wont go over 72 if shaded!).

My haste is brought about by a currently occupying guest in the home desiring a working projector, and my absolute need to replace that projector. I was going to spend $1,000 or thereabouts to just get them back up and running. I even considered just replacing it with a 60-65" LCD but then would have had installation of that, removal of "projection theater" from all future rentals with deposits already down, etc. I would be changing the description of the home AFTER people rented it in other words. It would be a logistical problem for me with many booked rentals both of my own making and that of my booking agent. It's a short term rental home 7 bed/6 bath that does over $100,000 in gross rentals every year for last 9, near Disney.

As for the installer conversation (I liked him and his figure it out attitude), the bulk of it was that I should send him the calculations and stats for the 1070 and he would evaluate its throw for consistency with the location of the current install. However, the other very important part of our discussion was that the current location doesn't matter much more than the current 4:3 DaLite Cinema Contour screen (96" diagonal as I recall from memory), as we will be replacing the screen so that we're not "wasting" the 16:9 image on a 4:3 screen longer term. He sells screens and we would discuss a replacement on site.....but not for this guest obviously. This projector will "waste" a 16:9 on a 4:3 installed screen.

In essence, I'm getting the 1070 at $975 on Amazon prime with overnight delivery for stupid cheap, alone with a new blu ray sony player and 30' runs of HDMI (I don't have HDMI runs currently). From what I read briefly, the BenQ W1070 is neck and neck with the Acer h6510bd (not available anywhere). Both are sub-$1,000 and I have to assume are worlds better than the InFocus X1 from 2002! My guests are never repeat so any functioning projector is perfectly fine really. I've actually never had a complaint with the X1, as it's mostly kids watching stuff at night after the parks while the parents use the pool and hot tub.

When managing a rental home, certain compromises are made. For example, I don't have the time personally to do the install so I must hire an installer. Next, that installer has to have availability for immediate install. Next, I'm in the Orlando, Florida area a place that unless I'm wrong doesn't have a single hi-fi, audiophile level showroom.....no Marantz dealer, no DynAudio dealer, etc. So my choices are very much limited from what they would be in say the Northeast. From a time standpoint I wasn't going to be shopping around for an installer either.

I really do appreciate all of you weighing in and will take a very close read.

My apologies for not conveying more information. I'm 37 miles from the home and the guests are my management company's, not mine. So round trips to take measurements were just not possible. The room is 16' long, 11' wide. I believe the current install has the lens about 3.5-4' off the back wall. But the mount was of my own making, a rather decent job if I say so myself, using an extended plumber's pipe and a nice sheet of lucite that was drilled for the mount holes. I then had offset spacers to angle the projector. I figured we would be re-drilling for the new projector's mounts, but the installer will have a variety of mounts with him. With the X1 ceiling mounted, I needed a long arm. The screen is mounted very near the ceiling.

I'll update how this all goes with photos before and after. And a report on what was needed to get back up and running initially, as well as in the future (new screen). We may need to move the projector again with a new screen. Who cares? I can fix sheetrock in milliseconds after 9 years of renting this home!

Thanks again everyone!
post #10 of 21
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I'm laughing at some of this. This is a rental home. The first thing to consider is my need to get an image from a projector splashed up on a 4:3 DaLite Cinema Contour screen 96" diagonal. And to do it with an eye towards cost.

Of course it will work out. We just put the projector wherever we need to get back up and running. Then I replace the screen and maximize the capabilities of the 1070 with a new location.

There will have to be some compromises, I have no doubt but this is like a Russian space mission. We will use duct tape to keep it going and then on the next mission, fix it for real. Now that's funny.
post #11 of 21
Actually the Acer is available at Rakuten.com (formerly Buy.com) but I never see any direct links to it.

I agree, get the projector up and then see what you need to do for the screen.
post #12 of 21
I am planning to buy this Benq w1070 to replace my 10+ yrs old Dwin TV2. Currently the pj is ceiling mount about 14-15 ft from my 110" diagonal screen. Will the W1070 work 14-15 ft away to project a 110" 16x9 screen? If not, which similar price pj does? Sorry about hi-jacking this thread. Thanks.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

I am planning to buy this Benq w1070 to replace my 10+ yrs old Dwin TV2. Currently the pj is ceiling mount about 14-15 ft from my 110" diagonal screen. Will the W1070 work 14-15 ft away to project a 110" 16x9 screen? If not, which similar price pj does? Sorry about hi-jacking this thread. Thanks.

The throw distance won't work for that screen size. Epson 8350 $900, or a Benq 7000 at $1700 which may be a little bright needing a filter or a low gain screen. Either of those should work.
post #14 of 21
You will have to move it closer or make a bigger screen.
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
If you look on the BenQ site they have the manual and spec sheet up with all of the dimensions. With 16:9 at 110 inches diagonal the minimum distance is 109.6 inches at max zoom and maximum distance is 142.5 with minimum focus. That's 9.13 feet minimum to 11.88 feet maximum.....short throw projector.. Average is 126.1 or placement optimally at 10.5 feet from the screen.

I'm not an expert, just happen to have the information sitting in front of me here. Highest lens position for that is 2.6 inches (whatever that means.....thought I think I know what it means)

I'll unpack this bad boy tonight and hook it up to a new Sony Bluray, flip it on and project it against a wall........maybe play with it at sample distances before I head over to the rental home in the morning.

Here's a table by aspect ratio.....http://www.ssidisplays.com/diagonal-projection-screen-size-calculator-aspect-ratio

I'm going to be at roughly 58" x 77" with the installed screen. So a side to side of 77" (for now)

Then I can figure out what this 1070 can do and get a maximum screen on order.......
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

The throw distance won't work for that screen size. Epson 8350 $900, or a Benq 7000 at $1700 which may be a little bright needing a filter or a low gain screen. Either of those should work.
Thanks. How is the Epson 8350 compare to the Benq w1070? Where can I get the Epson for $900? Thanks.
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
I compute a maximum distance for you Cowboys of 11.88 feet

Use this to convert mm to inches
http://www.asknumbers.com/LengthConversion.aspx

From the BenQ install table the max 110" diagonal for 16:9 is 3620 millimeters. Who can measure mm when up on a ladder, I don't know. Who's over there at BenQ a bunch of laser heads? Do installers have laser finders down to mm precision for projector installs? Perhaps they do, I don't have a clue.

BenQ's table for 16:9 is all in millimeters.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

Thanks. How is the Epson 8350 compare to the Benq w1070? Where can I get the Epson for $900? Thanks.

They compare well in that price range. Benq has 3D and some might consider it the better pj overall. Lots of reviews and threads on those two you can find in the forums here, or on the 'net. Epson has it at their online store for $900.
post #19 of 21
Coderguy has a projection calculator linked in his sig on this forum.
http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/

ProjectorCentral has one also.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/BenQ-W1070-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Either one works in inches.
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
So it all pretty much worked out PERFECTLY except for a defective projector I've already replaced. The W1070 that showed up had 2 very dark spots in the image and I just didn't have the time to try and figure out what the heck it was. They were there out of the box. They were very large, about the size of a fist and outstretched hand. I have photos of them. Whatever it is, it's not on the outside of the lens as there's no visible markings and they were there "out of box". Aside from this really irritating situation......and a DEAD HDMI 30' cable, it was great.

The projector is up and running. I just need to switch out the bad one with the good one using the Sanus mount which should be a breeze.

The image is fantastic and I will be looking to get a 16:9 screen longer term. In the meantime the image completely fills the 4:3 DaLite 96" screen I have there now. If someone wants to flip aspect ratio and watch 16;9 they certainly could.

The projector is VERY bright. I would never be able to use this projector as I see very frequent rainbows. That said I have very particular eyesight, corrected vision to 20:10. And I'm probably tired most of the time. I don't really get headaches while watching, though I don't really watch a projector often enough to know. I do feel some strain when I watch a 3D movie at the theater but not enough to prevent me from going.

Hope that helps. I'm happy to answer any questions. I'll take photos when I'm there to do the swap out of the projectors. I have both right now and need to troubleshoot the new one before I waste a trip.
post #21 of 21
Some people have had luck with adding a ND filter, toning down the brightness which will lessen the RBE. Check the thread. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435626/benq-w1070-dlp-full-hd-3d-ready-with-lens-shift-for-1000
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