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post #121 of 824
i smell a Hollywood money grab.so not for me.
post #122 of 824
True, but then again Sony is selling these discs especially for their 4K TVs. Don't forget regardless of the quality, there will still be no metada for Sony 4K scaler if the discs are not encoded with the metadata.

Funny thing, however, we are here talking about having the best disc possible yet there is one person at AVS that keeps trolling that 9 mbps Vudu HDX is already "gold standard for 1080p". tongue.gif
post #123 of 824
GHOSTBUSTERS and TAXI DRIVERS. The others? HA! Laughable choices.
post #124 of 824
They should have an exchange program for Ghostbusters and any others that show the original was, in effect, defective transfer-wise. Heck, even Dreamworks did one for Gladiator.
post #125 of 824
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

They should have an exchange program for Ghostbusters and any others that show the original was, in effect, defective transfer-wise. Heck, even Dreamworks did one for Gladiator.

Ghostbusters wasn't defective. It was a mildly controversial transfer but nothing on the scale of a terrible Blu-ray release like the original Gladiator. Sony didn't offer exchanges for their Superbit DVD releases, why should they do that for what is essentially the same thing for the Blu-ray format?

I'm no fan of studios double-dipping, especially if they are intentionally putting out mediocre releases only to supplant them with better quality releases in the same format only a few years later. IMO, the best thing to do is simply read up on opinions of desired releases before possibly wasting money on mediocre releases.
post #126 of 824
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

GHOSTBUSTERS and TAXI DRIVERS. The others? HA! Laughable choices.

I will say that the new Total Recall had stunning visuals throughout. I rather enjoyed it for what it was, though I know many did not like it. For that reason, I agree it is an odd choice for a first batch, since many people disliked it and likely won't want to spend $35 on it. But based on the visuals I can see why this was chosen.

I find Ghostbusters a more curious choice. While it's a great classic film, the visuals are rather dated, and in general I can't imagine it blowing anyone away no matter what. An odd choice it would seem to me for a first batch of discs intended to "Wow" you based on the appearance of the image.
post #127 of 824
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

Ghostbusters wasn't defective. It was a mildly controversial transfer but nothing on the scale of a terrible Blu-ray release like the original Gladiator. Sony didn't offer exchanges for their Superbit DVD releases, why should they do that for what is essentially the same thing for the Blu-ray format?

I'm no fan of studios double-dipping, especially if they are intentionally putting out mediocre releases only to supplant them with better quality releases in the same format only a few years later. IMO, the best thing to do is simply read up on opinions of desired releases before possibly wasting money on mediocre releases.

Because the superbit releases were often the same transfers, just encoded at a higher bitrate to maximize video quality. It was often negligible, since the master was the same and therefore the video essentially looked the same to most casual buyers.

On the other hand, the first blu-ray release of Ghostbusters looks pretty lousy - just look at the difference in contrast on the previous page. The contrast is totally blown out on the first release. Which means it was a poor transfer.
post #128 of 824
The contrast issue has little to do with the transfer. It's what they do during the digital mastering and encoding processes that makes or breaks the release. I didn't think the original GB release was terrible, it would have been sufficient if they simply rereleased it with the contrast knob turned down.

Hmm, maybe that's all the new GB release is?
post #129 of 824
post #130 of 824
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

The contrast issue has little to do with the transfer. It's what they do during the digital mastering and encoding processes that makes or breaks the release. I didn't think the original GB release was terrible, it would have been sufficient if they simply rereleased it with the contrast knob turned down.

Hmm, maybe that's all the new GB release is?

No looks like they "teal-ized" it too frown.gif
post #131 of 824
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

No looks like they "teal-ized" it too frown.gif
What?






































Edited by raoul_duke - 5/5/13 at 9:56am
post #132 of 824



That's a pretty big Twinkie!
post #133 of 824
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

No looks like they "teal-ized" it too frown.gif

Not from what I can see on my promo-copy disc.

PS, anybody living in and around Richmond Hill / Markham Area, there is a store (UpdateTV & Stereo) that have a 65" 4K TV that can be viewed in a darkened room (they put the TV in their projector room). The location is at Elgin Mills and Leslie.

They also have a Sony VPl-HW50ES that I just recently calibrated. The 4K TV is not yet calibrated, maybe next week.
post #134 of 824
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

No looks like they "teal-ized" it too frown.gif

Nope. If anything it looks slightly warmer.
post #135 of 824
So much for "superbit bluray" it only uses 32gigs. And there's no special features either.
post #136 of 824
A 105 minute movie with the bitrate pegged at the maximum 40mbps with 3mbps of audio/subtitles will come out to right around 32GB...
post #137 of 824
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

So much for "superbit bluray" it only uses 32gigs. And there's no special features either.

The movie is already encoded at a maximum constant bit rate allowable for blu-ray. Sony can't put any higher bitrate than that.
post #138 of 824
Looks good. I think my pants are shaking. smile.gif
post #139 of 824
Will the audio dropouts while bitstreaming with Total Recall on the new 4k version be fixed?
post #140 of 824
There is no audio dropout on the superbit version.

To be fair, I think Sony should exchange all of the defective discs with the superbit version.
post #141 of 824
So the second pic you posted is not representative of the new disc, then what is it?
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Originally Posted by raoul_duke View Post

... get an idea of just how improved the contrast is.*





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Enter the teal.
Edited by AVfile - 5/6/13 at 8:50am
post #142 of 824
But the laserdisc looks like the 2nd picture, so no teal added.
post #143 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

There is no audio dropout on the superbit version.

To be fair, I think Sony should exchange all of the defective discs with the superbit version.


Agreed. That is great to hear that it is fixed on the new version at least. I never picked this up, so I will definitely grab the superbit version when it hits.
post #144 of 824
I like how any color difference whatesoever is now called "teal" by the color trolls, regardless of what the actual color is...
post #145 of 824
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Enter the teal.
Enter color-blindness.
post #146 of 824
^^^^^ biggrin.gifbiggrin.giftongue.gif
post #147 of 824
A lot of it has to do with sooooooo many movies getting that heavily overused teal and amber "digital IP" look... even the catalog titles that were never supposed to have that color timing. If modern colorists could teal/amber up B&W films, they would. biggrin.gif
post #148 of 824
By teal you really mean purple, yes?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

It does not appear teal to me, in that particular shot it seems to have a more purple hue to it.

This looks like a worthwhile and significant upgrade to the original disc.

Best Regards
KvE
post #149 of 824
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

True, but then again Sony is selling these discs especially for their 4K TVs. Don't forget regardless of the quality, there will still be no metada for Sony 4K scaler if the discs are not encoded with the metadata.

What exactly is this metadata? How/where is it stored on the disc? It sounds to me like this is imaginary, or at least mostly imaginary but exists for the sake of marketing. It seems to me like this all comes down to higher bit rate 1080p (plus additional color). Once you downscale the 4k image to a 1080p native Blu-ray, there's no longer anything 4k about it. It's entirely possible I'm missing something though.
post #150 of 824
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

I like how any color difference whatesoever is now called "teal" by the color trolls, regardless of what the actual color is...

Lol, really. That's because snark and cynicism has replaced smarts around this subforum. frown.gif

This exact thing was happening here just a year and before when the current enemy of BD video was DNR. Now it's teal and s**t.
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